#Amiga WB icons
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Does anyone out there know how to set up an icon for a file? I'm sure this is
in a manual someplace but obviously I don't have one! We need to know how to
define these icons so we can make effective use of the WB interface & the
mouse. Is there an "icon editor" buried in there somewhere?
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Hi there, I've played around with this problem and have found out that: You can
copy the icon to another area (dir , disk etc) by copying the <filename>.info
file. (do a dir from cli to see them. These files appear to contain the icon
infomation. You may then rename the new file to have it appear as an icon with
a different name when you open the disk on WB. you then name your object module
the same name. I have not found an icon editor. BTW if you want to change the
boot program sequence… there is a file called workbench:s/starup-sequence.
which you can altenr using ed to boot into
any routine you want. I boot into wb
and abasic…leaving both active. The file reads: stack 8000 LoadWB endcli >
nil: abasic I'm still exploring. The availiability of the tech manuals will
make this a lot easier. I'd like to know if there is a better basic program
editor out there. The one on my $150 cbm-64 makes the one on my $2500 amiga
look ill. Any help here is appreciated.
*b*
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You know, you can use the CLI ED to edit your ABasic programs, but make sure
you dont have spaces in the file name, cuz you know how CLI treats spaces!
There is a font editor out there, as stated in the manuals. Butyt the copy
idea is almost straight out of the manual itself. But like most things, the
stuff the manual tells you about, either doesnt work or doesnt exists. Oh
well… SpLiTiNfInItY /ex (ooops)
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Font editor???? where? I missed that.
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There is an Front and Icon editor that is supposed to be in the developers tool
kit. Many do not have it yet, but you an get it if you are persistant and know
the right people.
Personaly, Im gona hack the .info files, I know enough about Intuiimages to
proably crack their structure. Then I will write my own editor to create
Icons.
SpLiTiNfInItY
p.s. Fonts are another story, they are
pretty easy to do in ML, but so far, thats the only way.
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Hi, do you know where i may get an assembler,editor, ml monitor for the amiga?
I'd dearly love to do some exploring. I'd particularly like an ml monitor.
any help would be appreciated.
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I have an Assembler, but have not looked a it. I assume there is a
disassembler and monitor program in there. ROMWack might be of help there too.
Of course, the editor is already present (ED, and EDIT) which are used to write
C, PASCAL and ASSEMBLY pretty much like any "big" machine.
I'll look at it and get back to you.
SpLiTiNfInItY
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Hi again, I don't know what ROMWack is. Also, where might I get an ml monitor?
Do you know the command syntax for EDIT? I've seen the upl's for ED perhaps
someone could do the same for ED. thanks.
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Where might you get a ML monitor? Thats more like, where might you be able to
get ANYTHING! For now, be glad for what you do have, because anything else will
be rare at best. Im not sure which you want details on, ED or EDIT. I use ED
myself, EDIT isnt of any use to me.
SpLiTiNfInItY
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Hi. EDIT is what I was questioning. I was curious as to what the purpose of it
was and how to use it. It's getting a little frustrating. A terrrific
machine…Like getting a banquet in a can and not having a can opener.
****Real Soon Now****
*b*
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Im not sure about EDIT, I only use ED, which is great for everything I do.
Im not sure where the docs for EDIT can be found, but Im not anxious to get
them either. Yet, if I do, Ill pass them along to you. SpLiTiNfInItY
EDIT is an extremely POWERFUL line editor. The commands as printed for Edit
in the Amiga Dos users manual are at least twice as long in number of pages
as the commands for ED. EDIT will also accept files that contain Binary code
whereas ED will NOT! and if you do a download from anywhere of an ASCII file
and end up with some binary junk in it, you 'll have to use EDIT to fix it up
as ED won't accept it.
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Although EDIT is quite difficult to master, it is VERY powerful medicine.
Once you get the AmigaDos users manual you'll be able to wiggle your way thru
it. Until then dont even *think* of trying to Hack your way around in the
blind in EDIT.
I have all of these things floating around… Lattice C Pascal Lisp Macro
Assmebler
they are test versions & I cant vouch for their status.. etc.. but they are
many evenings worth of fun, just hacking around the CLI. Ari
Well people,
I have the ICONED program, and it works ok.. you can load and edit the icons
and colors and all sorts of things. The only problem is that my version will
not save an icon.. it just hangs. if anyone might be able to fix this
bug/omission then drop me a line and I will try to get it to you. Ari
You can only save an icon under its original name and window on that vers (1.0,
I think). To make a new icon, make a copy of one of the .info files (so you
don't trash the old one). Load it in and edit it and then save it (all in the
same little window). You can then rename it.
Another little problem with that version is that the Frame command
doesn't work (as in Frame & Save), so the resulting icon is large.
Other than a toy, this program isn't very useful, if you have the same
version I got. –amazing how many Amiga programs are like that!–
-Larry Miller-
I think i will wait for the real one to come out in that case!!! thanks for the
info. (or should that be .info ??!!) Ari
Did I miss something about spaces in file names? I haven't had any problems
with that if you enclose the filename in quotes when called from the CLI.
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Steve,
You are perfectly correct in saying that you can use spaces in a filename so
long as you enclose it in quotes when called from the CLI.
P.S. message #42000 <yeah!>
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Congradulations (sp?) on 42000!!!
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I only ment that you had to be careful with spaces. Your right, quotes solve
the problem, I should have mentioned that.
SpLiTiNfInItY
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Thanks, Bob. I was looking for a (possibly) hidden icon editor, but I see
from another message that one will be out in the future. Incidentally, I use
the 'Ed' editor for making major changes in ABasiC pgms. At least it's a
fairly good screen editor. There might be a way to get it to edit pgms in
RAM: (maybe only a slight possibility) since ABasiC pgms aren't tokenized.
That would give you control of it's use from ABasiC using the SHELL command.
I haven't tried anything like that thugh. The existing line editor in ABasiC
is one of the most primitive things I've ever seen. It would make me look
very carefully before voluntarily buying anything else that MeMetaComCo puts
out. It speeks very poorly of their work. Also the ABasiC itself has quite
a few bugs; I hope they'll fix them in future releases. Maybe it won't make
any difference; I guess I'll just switch to Lattice C when I can.
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to edit ABasiC program with ed form ED. Save or replace the file on disk, if
you do not use a file name the current program name is used(what you get when
you list the program). Now issue SHELL"ED 'program name'" where 'program
name' is the name of the program plus a path to it(the CD command does not
work with ABasiC in place). The ABasiC bar will go gost. Now hit Left Amiga
and N this will send you to the ED screen. Edit away. When done exit ED as
normal and you will be on the work bench screen. Hit Left Amiga M and you
will be back into basic. Unghost the ABasiC window bar with the mouse and
reload the program (load"program name") There will be your program all
edited. Merge will work as well. Hope this helps.
james powell
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The danger of sounding knowledgeable is that people will ask questions. Is
there a way to copy abasic source files on a 1 drive system?
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I don't own an Amiga but I have played a little and I believe you can use COPY
to copy a file from the disk drive to memory by going:
COPY filename TO *
This will copy the file to the current window and you can then change disks
and enter:
COPY * TO filename
And that will copy the file back onto the new disk from the current window.
Setting the size of the window should also be considered before sending the
COPY commands.
Hope that helps you on the right track.
Darrell
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Thanks, I'll give it a try.
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The easiest way is to copy them to ram: first.
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thanks for the complement. To save a basic file to another disk on a single
drive system you must use the volume name (that's the name that shows up under
the disk icon on intuition) with a colon after it in save. IE. in basic
SAVE"<disk name>:<file name>".
CHDIR"<disk name>:" will also work, except for basic DIR, and saves you typing.
(shell"dir <disk name>:" will give you directories). One more thing, since you
will be typing disk volume names alot I suggest you use short names with no
spaces, 04 (thats zero four) and the like work well, are quick to type, and
don't need to be surrounded with quotes so dos will like them. Use the rename
option on Intuition to change disk names and DON'T use special symbols # ? / :
" they give dos fits.
james powell
ps. this discussion also applies to CLI mode, using volume names will force dos
to always insist you insert the named disk before it does anything and after it
has gotten the command off the boot disk.
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Sounds good, James! Where did you get the 'left Amiga, N' or 'left Amiga M'
stuff? You must have manuals (drool!). Thanks…….Steve
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Actualy I got the left Amiga commands off BIX. Though (sp?) I saw it mentioned
recently in the Intuition(?) developers manual. Aparently there will be a
system of Amiga key and another key commands. Alas only left AmigaM and N are
implemented in the operating system.
james powell
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All of the 'shortcut' keystroke commands are discussed in the Intro to Amiga
manual that came with your computer. See section 4.
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Yes, I'm very dissapointed with Abasic myself.. It's so poor, I'm unable to
use the machine at all for what I bought it for. It's a darn shame too.
Neat piece of hardware. Do you know if MS will put out a basic for Amiga? I
don't think I can live with this. *b*
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The word is that MS will be putting a BASIC for the Amiga but I haven't gotten
any press releases from MS, just rumours.
Darrell
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William Volk has seen MS-Basic – says it's better than the Mac version of
MS basic…
Hope William won't mind commenting on this…
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Hi, do you know the phone number of microsoft?
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I don't know, but I don't see how they counld avoid it. This will be a good
piece of hardware; they'd be crazy not to. I'm a FORTRAN programmer from way
back (circa 1962) so BASIC is natural for me but I believe that something like
'C' will be better on the AMIGA. I've worked in FORTRAN, BASIC, COBOL, PL/1,
ALGOL, PASCAL, etc. so I'm not really a devotee of any language – (one can
produce in any language and operating system that one is paid to) BUT (!!!) is
AmigaDos is partly in C then lets get with it and take as much advantage as
possible!
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Hi there, I just discovered…that if you move basic to the wb disk….change
the startup sequence file in dir s to boot to basic…and have a basic program
named init.bas in the main dir of the wb disk….abasic will boot then load
this program and run it. I discovered this by accident…one of you guys will
probably tell me it's in the docs…but I'm passing it along anyway. I use the
boot program to change the dir and set for 80 col and change the colors.
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excuse me for buttin in.. but you can do that to any program… just make sure
you set the stack… (8000 in the case or abasic) you could auto take a
directory or anything else…its a neat setup
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Hi, All but-ins are encouraged. Do you mean to say that any basic program name
will work as well as "init.bas"? If so, does it just boot the first program?
*b*
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I think I may have misled you.. when i said program I meant ml
textcraft…graphicraft… demo.. & so on… sorry
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Hi, what I was saying is that you can auto boot a basic program if you want
to.
*b*
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Hello, That sounds neat, but now a really important question…….
is there a way of putting bot kickstart & workbench on the same
disk???? For a TRUE autoboot situation, I'd like to turn on the amiga on a
timer then *POOF* be in my program withou being there!
try this one on for size! ssg
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YES, THERE IS A NEW VERSION OF INTUITION 1.1 WHICH SHOULD BE IN OUR HANDS
WITHIN TWO WEEKS..AND WILL CONTAIN THAT SOUGHT AFTER ICON EDITOR. ALL WILL BE
MADE CLEAR, HOPEFULLY! SORT OF MAKES YOU JEALOUS OF GEM ENVIRONMENT, BUT ONLY
FOR A WEEK OR TWO…
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Hi, So how do us Amiga owners get one?
*b*
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It's good to hear that, but I'm in Alabama so it'll probably be more like six
weeks! Thanks.
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