#RADIO FREE SC2K
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Sanford,
You're accussation of soliciting meshes was posted in section 12 but your
apology was posted in sect 16. Sect 16 is now inaccessible, therefore I just
deleted the whole mess. Interesting though…
Any time you want to swap commode stories, I'd be glad to oblige. <g> While I
have to admit that maybe your situation was worse, I did my fare share in boot
camp, and living in the barracks; an experience while hardly pleasant, was
definitely educational non the less. FWIW I put myself through college as well.
John
John,
Just goes to show you that everybody has to deal with the same problems
to get through life. I have never had anything but contempt for politicians,
but since I have been in this forum, I hve a new understanding of what they
have to go through. Anybody who wants to be a Clinton or a Limbau and wants to
change the world has my sympathy. It is tough.
Our little city project seems to be getting tougher to arrive at a
concensus on what we thought we were doing. Best wishes to you and watch for
Studio City at Siggraph. It will be there and withing the parameters of the
charter. Have you ever read the charter? I don't know how to access the number
of people downloading files. I would be interested in what your think about it
after you have read it through and considered it for about a week.
What would you change? All of it? Part of it? What is your take on the
guidelines? Can you separate yourself from your distaste for rules long enough
to take a serious look at the text? Please consider this.
Sanford
Hi Sanford,
<< Have you ever read the charter? I don't know how to access the number of
people downloading files. >>
I found this by Browsing the libs..
File Info for CHARTR.ZIP
Section: Take 5/Want Ads Contributor: 73201,1374 Size: 6780
Submitted: 1/13/95 Type: Binary Accesses: 12
Title: Studio City Charter
Keys: SC2K CHARTER STUDIOCITY 2000
CHARTR.ZIP is the Studio City Charter. The zip file contains Charter.TXT,
Jobs.TXT and Preamble.TXT. Please read over the Charter and vote according to
the instructions in Charter.TXT. This Charter is based on the results of the
first
Studio City opinion survey of Dec. 1994.
Jonas,
I thankyou for this information. So the "accesses" info is in the file
header. Well I learn more every day.
I was beginning to think that nobody was going to read it after all
that work. I still havn't got one reply. So I guess I'll wait.
I knew this was going to be a "labor of love" but I am just now
beginning to see the scope of the patience required to run something like this.
I wish to help in any way I can, and I now know how hard your job can be at
times. I'm glad your are here to help.
Sanford
<<I have never had anything but contempt for politicians, but since I have been
in this forum, I hve a new understanding of what they have to go through.
Anybody who wants to be a Clinton or a Limbau and wants to change the world has
my sympathy. It is tough.>>
I think you are right. It is hard to judge someone without having "walked in
their shoes". No job where you are constantly taken to pieces is going to be
easy. In my opinion this project is no different. Since this is a democratic
project whoever gets voted as Project Coordinator will, in essence, have to be
a politician when it comes to gripes and problems from the citizens. So in that
way it isn't much different from the real world. In fact is it the same as the
real world. I think all candidates for this position should take note of these
other "political" duties as well as the core work when asking for the position.
<<Our little city project seems to be getting tougher to arrive at a concensus
on what we thought we were doing. Best wishes to you and watch for Studio City
at Siggraph. It will be there and withing the parameters of the charter.>>
I hope to be at SIGGRAPH this year and it would be great to see the city up
there on the big screen. Sorry, if I misunderstood you, but it is the Electric
Theatre that you are aiming for right? I was reading the previous year's
SIGGRAPH visual proceedings and it appeared that none of the animations shown
at the Electric Theatre were done with 3DS :-(. Is this correct? Has 3DS
animations ever made an appearance in the theatre? Let's hope this year 3DS is
there in all it's glory.
David "Cornflake box with 3D glasses" Gould
David,
Electric Theatre…I think someone like G. Yost would be able to tell
you about whether 3DS has made the theater…I was at the last two Siggraphs,
but I hate to wait in line and did not go either time. It would be great if be
made it in, but the back-up plan (mine) is to have our tape playing in every
vendor's booth that has any interest in 3D Studio or its users. That could
potentially get us seen by the largest number of people. I figure at least
three hundred copies of the tape must be made and of that number, aprox two
hundred + will get sold and 50 or so will be handed free to 3DS dealers and the
people who are willing to show them. Id like to make more if we can…I expect
thousands of people this year.
Sanford
<<Electric Theatre…I think someone like G. Yost would be able to tell you
about whether 3DS has made the theater.>>
Does anyone know if a 3D Studio animation has made it to the Electric Theatre?
BTW what is most prestigious award an animator/modeller can get in the computer
graphics industry? i.e. the equivalent of the Academy Awards but in computer
graphics.
<<I was at the last two Siggraphs, but I hate to wait in line and did not go
either time.>>
Yeh, that's a shame since I've heard it was really great. How long did you have
to wait?
<<It would be great if be made it in, but the back-up plan (mine) is to have
our tape playing in every vendor's booth that has any interest in 3D Studio or
its users.>>
Good luck with your tapes. I just hope you can get it finished in time for
SIGGRAPH. I think you may need a rendering jungle or even better a rendering
amazon. I'd love one of those!
How long do you think the animation will go for? Will it be just a flythrough?
You could really have fun choosing background music for the flying! If I make
it to America I'll be sure to drop by and grab a copy.
<<I expect thousands of people this year.>>
There was thousands last year if I recall correctly.
David "SIGGRAPH or bust" Gould
Hi David,
<< <<I was at the last two Siggraphs, but I hate to wait in line and did not go
either time.>>
Yeh, that's a shame since I've heard it was really great. How long did you have
to wait? >>
I had the pleasure of going to my first Elec. Theater show last year. It wasn't
so bad, I bought my tickets for the last night's showing ahead of time, had a
great dinner with Dan Silva and Danny Mercurio while everyone else was still
standing in line and when we went in to the show 25% of the seats were vacant.
I'll probably do the same this year. <g>
jonas[adesk]
FYI, the Electronic Theater accepts only a tiny fraction of their material from
non-workstation-based work. For example, in last year's show, the only
microcomputer work was a Macromind Director-created 2D animation piece about
the inability to cage the human spirit. (I think it was called "Shadow Play",
and it was one of my favorite pieces in the show.) Typically, the ET is used to
showcase the latest technological advancements in the business, and there's
quite a bit of workstation snobbery in their acceptance process.
Note that the ET rejects are generally even more interesting than the ET, and
those are shown in the Video Review rooms during Siggraph. It's always
extremely valuable to sit through a few hours of that stuff.
– G
<<FYI, the Electronic Theater accepts only a tiny fraction of their material
from non-workstation-based work.>>
Who gets to decide what is accepted and what isn't? Silicion Graphics and Co.
<<Typically, the ET is used to showcase the latest technological advancements
in the business, and there's quite a bit of workstation snobbery in their
acceptance process.>>
That's too bad, since I consider the result to be more important than how it is
made. I believe that 3DS provides the tools to create truely artistic and
intersting works. For the ET to reject something straight out because it didn't
come from a workstation is pathetic.
Too bad, let them waste their money on workstations while we produce similar if
not better works with less money, thanks to 3DS. I don't mind, the money I save
means I get to go on holidays while they stay home. 😉
<<Note that the ET rejects are generally even more interesting than the ET, and
those are shown in the Video Review rooms during Siggraph. It's always
extremely valuable to sit through a few hours of that stuff.>>
That sounds more appealling to me. Many of the best movies are those not
designed for the mass market. Computer animations, more than any other, allow
for a very wide variety of works from people with humble tools.
David "ET go home" Gould
d "$" g,
<<<<I was at the last two Siggraphs, but I hate to wait in line and did not go
either time.>>
<<Yeh, that's a shame since I've heard it was really great. How long did you
have to wait?>>
I went the SIGGRAPH '94, and went into the ET, but the problem wasn't the line
going in. It was the mob leaving the theatre talking about the animations, and
not paying enough attention to where they were going! Tickets to the first
screenings were scarce, but if you weren't trying to schedule a screening time
with your companions, tickets weren't that hard to find. And if you wait until
just before the curtain goes up, the line going in is real short.
Like – G said, the Review rooms were a _REAL_ good show. They run almost
continuously during the conference, and it's hard to catch every animation.
There were schedules of the screening times in many locations which made it
very easy to see most of them. And they were all _VERY_ impressive. Sorry, I
don't remember seeing any of those produced with 3DS either. That doesn't mean
there weren't any, just that I don't remember seeing any. I'm sure – G could
tell you though.
BTW, I thought _YOU_ were the boss now. What happened? …B.
<<I went the SIGGRAPH '94, and went into the ET, but the problem wasn't the
line going in. It was the mob leaving the theatre talking about the animations,
and not paying enough attention to where they were going!>>
Have you ever met an animator who DOESN'T have his/her head in the clouds?
<<BTW, I thought _YOU_ were the boss now. What happened?>>
I guess I got demoted directly after I was promoted. Sanford was leaving and
now he is back. The world was flat and now is round. My kilt was drip-dry but
now it has shrunk. It is just another one of those unexplained mysteries of the
world.
David "Returning from the twilight zone" Gould
David,
<<How long would the animation be>> that's a tough call. It needs to be at
least twenty minutes if the people are going to be entertained. That's a lot of
material and I do plan music. I havn't faced the reality of having to do it
yet!
Sanfod (I wonder if this city thing will
spontaneously emerge all over the planet as sometimes happens with new
ideas…two guys invent the same thing…etc)
<<It needs to be at least twenty minutes if the people are going to be
entertained. That's a lot of material and I do plan music. I havn't faced the
reality of having to do it yet!>>
Twenty minutes in world of people requesting instant gratification, combined
with a five minute attention span, makes it seem difficult. I guess if you turn
it into a short story or add heaps of special effects you may get peoples
attention for long enough, though I'm sure that anyone who has contributed will
be staring intently with glazed eyes until suddenly they jump up and shout
"There it is! That's my model!".
David "Sitting in the corner" Gould
David,
My thought is to show off a lot of IPAS scenes between looking at
architecture, so it will have to be scripted a bit….and then there is
forensics, etc.
How about some building Morfs?
A hotdog stand turns into a leaking roman cupid fountain. That would be
entertaining, although I'm not sure people have that kind of cracked humor.
Sanford
<<and then there is forensics, etc.>>
What do you mean forensics?
<<A hotdog stand turns into a leaking roman cupid fountain. That would be
entertaining, although I'm not sure people have that kind of cracked humor.>>
Only if cupid has big grin on his face!
David "Snicker, snicker" Gould
David,
By "forensics" I mean accident and crime reconstruction. have spent
many years as a special effects men in the movies. I have thrown real cars off
bridges and helped prepare sets for explosions. I hve built robots, replicas of
full sized snakes and a T.Rex. etc, etc…it ia a long list. I like to have fun
as well as anyone else. These kinds of visuals could be added to a City
flythrough to add any degree of entertainment and spice to make the tape a
great entertainment as well as showing off our city. But, of course, it will be
up to the citizens who participate in the tape to make the call on how much fun
they want to have.
Sanford
<<have spent many years as a special effects men in the movies. I have thrown
real cars off bridges and helped prepare sets for explosions. I hve built
robots, replicas of full sized snakes and a T.Rex. etc>>
And you said that you didn't like the earlier job you had? Wow, sounds like any
young arsenist, sadistic, demolishing kid's dream job. Are you affiliated with
Jame Murphy? 😉
<<But, of course, it will be up to the citizens who participate in the tape to
make the call on how much fun they want to have.>>
Just do it anyway. If you've got MELT, EXPLODE, DESINTEGRATE then you'll have
some fun. You could make it into Godzilla 3 "StudioCity in danger!" or King
Kong Returns.
David "B Movies" Gould
<<BTW what is most prestigious award an animator/modeller can get in the
computer graphics industry? i.e. the equivalent of the Academy Awards but in
computer graphics.>>
Didn't "Tin Toy" win an Oscar? Why aim lower than that? (By the way, IMO "Tin
Toy" was better as a technical achievement than as animation- "KnickKnacks"(I
think that was the name) was far better. Besides, that baby was the ugliest
baby I've ever seen!)
Scott
<<"KnickKnacks"(I think that was the name) was far better.>>
I enjoyed both of them. The underlying humour was great.
<<Besides, that baby was the ugliest baby I've ever seen!>>
I think that is reminiscent of almost all human animation. We haven't yet been
able to put the "life" into the eyes of the characters to give the audience
something they can empathize with.
David "Sparkle in the eyes" Gould
This is the second time I've seen something about section 16 not being
available. It's there and it hasn't been closed. What's going on ???
>> This is the second time I've seen something about section 16 not being
available… <<
I have no idea Joe. Unless I somehow launched on a different configuration of
ASOFT but both setups appear to be working now.
Thanks for your concern.
John
Dear John,
I love the episodes of the Freedom Fighter living on the edge of cyberspace.
Your creativity and humor is a blessing. Let's channel it wisely.
This whole split looks like it was a contrived deceit.
Where do you guys find the time to generate so many messages?
Kennedy climbed all over me for doing what you guys have been doing
more recently as a group. You babel on like madmen.
The charter has never been ratified.
And the vote on the survey meant nothing,
considering there was no authentification of the identities of the voters.
What is called for is organized leadership.
The way you guys have been carrying on,
I'd have trouble following you anywhere.
There are enough weird things happening in this world.
Let's provide a focus, okay?
We can clear up a lot of the confusion and concerns about commercialism.
But we have to act as a team.
A person should not be denied an opportunity to make money in this world.
This world functions on the distribution and redistribution of wealth.
We all need to keep the lights on.
As an example, and perhaps only because it was on A&E as I typed these words,
Pope John Paul has made $8 million from the sales of his book.
He has donated that money to charity.
The program was ending and I changed the channel. I landed on CNBC.
There was Charles Grodin, whose style I've compared with Kennedy's.
Grodin was talking about his new book, "We're ready for you Mr. Grodin."
He explained in a couple of lines what the book was about… and then
in all earnest, Grodin said that if he made any money off of the book,
he would donate it to helping the homeless.
He said, "I'm serious," and humorously referred to Paul Newman's line
of spaghetti sauce. He pointed out that Newman, too, donates proceeds from
his products to charities.
Ross Perot is an example of another person who has spent a personal fortune
trying to address injustice and correct the worlds ills. His work on behalf
of education, veterans, prisoners of war, and in the political realm is
indicative of a person who cares and is willing to share.
These are right minded thinkers. I want to work with these kinds of people.
Not pirates who hoard, while others suffer.
"Thou shall not covet," says Charlton Heston, to Charles Grodin,
in the interview that continues in the background. Grodin is humorously
badgering Heston about his role in the movie, "The Ten Commandments."
"Thou shall not kill," Heston replies to another of Grodin's questions.
We are distributors of information. Knowledge is empowerment.
Collectively, working as a team, we are powerful.
"God can wear a sandwich board too," continues Grodin.
Sheryl Crowe is on tv now. She's talking about how she and other female
rockers have banded together to address the problem of breast cancer in women.
Oh. Oh. Now the Red Hot Chili Peppers are singing,
Give it away, give it away, give it away now. Give it away, give it away,
give it away now…..
Great Works Are Being Done.
And There Is Great Work For Us To Do.
Let's Get Busy.
Kevin -= A grain of sand =-
Excuse me Kevin, but you're starting to sound like Sanford, and Sanford's
starting to sound like you. What's going on here?
P.S. I'm glad you enjoyed me little stories; they are the most fun I've had
since I got into the thing.
John