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#Commodore International

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#120719From: David A SpakeNov 4, 1993 6:23 PM
What's the deal? I was just informed that commie was up 1 3/8 today!! Any special news that can be pased along? Commie said that they don't remark upon any Stock Market action. If anyone knows, I sure would like the line on it. TSM
#120736From: John ChangNov 4, 1993 8:50 PM
Could be speculation. Watch the stock, if it continues to go up at a steady rate, something is happening! John Chang Observing Amiganoid Scala, Inc.
#120770From: Steve AhlstromNov 5, 1993 12:35 AM
John, Speculation? I don't think so. Today CBU's activity was 20 times higher than at any time in the last 2 months. The closing stock price was higher than it's been since the June layoffs. Something happened, or is happening. Speculation does not cause the stock to gain 25% in value in one day.
#120797From: Clint Woeltjen@VRLINov 5, 1993 7:58 AM
Steve: Actually, it gained 48% in one day. 4.625/3.125 = 1.48. Also, 800+K shares is a significant piece of stock. Clint <Chaocity>
#120817From: Steve AhlstromNov 5, 1993 2:31 PM
Clint, Yeah, I blew the math … no excuse there. But, in some of the other numbers, depending where online you get them, there is some descrepancies. For instance, was that 800k+ the number of transactions or total number of shares trades (I believe it was transactions, as at 3:15 PM EST yesterday Rueter's reported that numbers of shared traded up to that time was 5M+). At the forum prompt if you type QUO CBU you'll be given the current stock price along with a number it says is shares traded … I believe that isn't the shares traded by the number of tranactions (the vast majority of transactions are made in lots of 100 shares).
#120821From: Mark D. ManesNov 5, 1993 4:45 PM
One rumor I am hearing that is interesting.. I do wish I could say it came from a very reliable source–but I can't at this point. I heard today that Nintendo may have bought a bit of Commodore. They may well want CD32 and the marketshare Commodore has in Europe. Pure speculation folks. Perhaps Nintendo got tired of the SEGA AD.
#120831From: David A SpakeNov 5, 1993 6:19 PM
Well it sure would make good sense for the fact of CBU's prescence in Europe. Not that I would particularly care for being owned by a GAME company thou'!! 🙂 But like someone (I forget) said, there has to be more than smoke and mirrors behind the big rally and the market action.
#120937From: Steve AhlstromNov 6, 1993 1:02 PM
I don't have any info at all … but I can't give any credence to the Nintendo rumor. Nintendo recently signed a deal with Silicon Graphics to use a chip set developed by SGI for a game machine to be introduced in '95. I can't believe that they would want the CD32, a totally incompatible machine with their current product line, for an 18-24 month time frame. -sja
#120949From: Mark D. ManesNov 6, 1993 2:29 PM
You gotta admit though that the SGI + Nintendo deal is not going to produce a machine that many outside of the United States would be able to afford. Such a VR system described by Nintendo has got to come in at the $700 range I would think. CD32 is a very inexpensive platform and probably would have a wider appeal in Europe–a market that Nintendo would like to get in. However, let me agree with you on what point. There is no evidence whatsoever that this happened. In fact, the more I think about it the less likely it seems to me as well. Makes for good rumormongering though!
#120977From: Dale LarsonNov 6, 1993 7:46 PM
Whatever is inexpensive today is obsolete tommorow. Whatever would "come in at the $700 range" today will be inexpensive tommorow. The SGI+Nintendo box isn't supposed to de-vaporize until at least 1995. I don't expend that Nintendo is interested in trying to find a market for $700 boxes. (For that matter, I doubt 3do is either — I suspect they know that their market may not take off until their prices come down dramatically.)
#121009From: John DraperNov 7, 1993 12:40 AM
Nintendo is saying they expect the Nintendo/SGI thingy to retail for under $250
#120823From: Clint Woeltjen@VRLINov 5, 1993 4:51 PM
The figures in the paper this morning match the 826K reported by QUO CBU rather than the 5 million. I think 5 million would be about 15-20% of all of the CBU stock available, which would be reported as a takeover attempt rather than just a stock transaction. I'm going to check today's numbers in a minute and see if the trend continues.
#120850From: Paul HigginbottomNov 5, 1993 9:57 PM
800K has to represent the number of shares traded. Commodore only has 33 million shares total. For 800K x 100 shares to have been traded, that would be 80 million shares.
#120838From: John ChangNov 5, 1993 8:46 PM
OK, guys we are just speculating… anyone wants to put together the pieces and come up with a plausable list of clients who would be interested in C=?
#120890From: Michael GerardNov 6, 1993 6:19 AM
Ok. I admit it. I bought CBM yesterday. Hey, they gave me a 30 day no questions asked return privilege. <g>
#120929From: John ChangNov 6, 1993 11:37 AM
Almost took you seriously there! ;-}
#121021From: Michael GerardNov 7, 1993 9:37 AM
<g>
#120895From: Clint Woeltjen@VRLINov 6, 1993 6:31 AM
Haven't a clue. I think the QUO numbers were correct, but that still indicates increased activity. Could be the quarterly report, the "Street" interest in the game machines or Gould payed himself enough to buy some stock back. <grin> There would be more activity than there has been if it were a takeover bid, unless it's just rumors in high places.
#120930From: John ChangNov 6, 1993 11:39 AM
I guess we'll have to see what plays out on Wall Street in the next couple of days. If it continues to go up 25% each day, someone is going to get on top.
#120973From: Clint Woeltjen@VRLINov 6, 1993 6:00 PM
Well, it dropped back .375 yesterday, but the volume was still high. About 5% of the total stock changed hands over the past few days. If that gets up in the 20-25% range then I would think some sort of takeover is in progress, though usually those are announced in advance.
#121165From: John ChangNov 8, 1993 9:35 PM
Thanks for the updates Clint! We have talked to several other Amiga manufacturers. They are intrigued, however, they too are speculating on why the stock is so active. Keep the observations coming!
#121179From: Clint Woeltjen@VRLINov 8, 1993 10:18 PM
John: I try to keep an eye on what's happening with Commodore. I am an eternal optimist, hoping that the Amiga market, even if small, will remain healthy. That reminds me, I need to check today's figures. <grin> Clint <Chaocity>
#121216From: Tim LloydNov 9, 1993 6:32 AM
Well to add to the speculation I heard a really juicy rumour from a friend here in Hong kong, who heard it from a good source in Germany, something along the lines of some dealers were getting notices that the AAA chipset was going to be released in the next couple of weeks in 4000's !! I personally think this is a bit far fetched ! I mean according to the magazines the AAA has only been in Silicon for a couple of months ! Still it adds to the rumour mill ;^) Is there any German dealers in here that could varify this ? or is it all BS.
#121290From: Mark D. ManesNov 9, 1993 10:36 PM
I had an interesting discussion with an amiga manufactuer today who felt the stock jump was due to an article that appeared in USA Today claiming that Commodore, Atari and 3D0 are about to be major competitors to Ninetendo and SEGA. His point was — the people that make investment decisions may not be as well plugged in as we are. They may not realize the difficulty each of these companies may face in bringing these products to market and getting them on the shelves. His point may well be true. Yet another bubble in Commodore stock. Too bad, I rather liked the Nintendo rumor. 🙂
#121352From: Paul HigginbottomNov 10, 1993 1:25 PM
Hi Mark. I already put a message on here before stating that Commodore being mentioned in USA Today was the reason for the stock jump. You're right about investors often not being that clued in. They may well have seen that Atari has shot up and held up pretty well recently, but that Commodore still appeared "cheap". I saw that C= is down to 3.5 again now. Another thing to remember, those that bought on the day it shot up from around 3 to just over 4 could have made a 30% profit in one day. That is, those that got in at the right time may well have jumped out after making a bunch of money. Most people are not in the stock market because they "care" about the companies involved. That's one of my problems with the stock market in general. There should be reward for holding onto stock. My vote would be a progressive capital gains tax inversely proportional to the length of time a stock is held.
#121382From: John ChangNov 10, 1993 6:58 PM
Here's to still wishing! Warmest Regards, Observing Amiganoid Scala, Inc.
#121395From: paul ciminoNov 10, 1993 8:03 PM
The guy Jim Drew from Utilities Unlimited (Makers of Emplant) released another press release-made-to-look-like-insider-posting. Sort of like an info-mercial. Anyway, it hints at how they are looking at making a 3D0 emulator, so that CD32 and possibly a CD equiped Amiga can be 3D0 compliant.
#120938From: Steve AhlstromNov 6, 1993 1:02 PM
Plausible list? Scala and Newtek.
#120961From: John ChangNov 6, 1993 4:15 PM
Thank you for the complient. I'm afraid Scala's pockets are not that deep! ;-}
#120962From: Steve AhlstromNov 6, 1993 4:38 PM
There are many precedents where a David takes over a Goliath. Capital Cities taking over ABC comes to mind. Viacom's bid for Paramount (that hasn't been successful yet, but be in the future). So, you never know. It is not always the deepest pockets that count.
#121164From: John ChangNov 8, 1993 9:34 PM
Hmm, thank you for the different viewpoint. Since that broadens the possibilities of who would be interested in a company, which according to official communications, isn't for sale, who would be interested?
#121001From: Robert ComerNov 6, 1993 11:44 PM
>Thank you for the complient. I'm afraid Scala's pockets are not that >deep! ;-} Oh man! I was hoping…
#121168From: John ChangNov 8, 1993 9:35 PM
>Thank you for the complient. I'm afraid Scala's pockets are not that >deep! ;-} *YET!* Warmest Regards, John Chang Aspiring Corporate Takeover Artist Scala, Inc.
#120837From: John ChangNov 5, 1993 8:44 PM
The rumors are running rampant! Not since Sony started sniffing around has things got interesting! Is Sony back? We'll just have to wait and see!
#120865From: Robert ComerNov 6, 1993 1:03 AM
Sony comes back every 6 months or so… 🙂 I feel something in the air, but darned If I know what it is. Any of the game companies could be it, but could we be overlooking another type of company? (Course, that's assuming someone tries a buyout, which I'm not certain of.)
#120928From: John ChangNov 6, 1993 11:36 AM
Mark Manes mentioned that Nintendo was sniffing around. I think that is entirely possible. Sega is doing well in Europe and of course, the US. HP? Motorola? Arrgh, M-I-C-R-O-S-O-F-T!!!
#120993From: Robert ComerNov 6, 1993 11:42 PM
Some other major companies that might need some really good multimedia machines, ATT, ITT, Cable companies… I think were probably hoping some big company well buy out C= and then the Amiga will finally get the recognition it deserves, but, as they say, I'll believe it when I see it. 😐
#121003From: Rob SalmonNov 7, 1993 12:09 AM
I always kinda hoped Kodak would take an interest in C=.
#121155From: Robert ComerNov 8, 1993 8:25 PM
Kodak, hmmmm, that wouldn't be bad! 🙂 Unfortunately, I think they have to many ties with Phillips. Bob Comer — Flying high and fast with my A1200HD'030 on Autopilot! From Cheyenne, Wyoming U.S.A.
#121167From: John ChangNov 8, 1993 9:35 PM
Kodak? Great film and document company. Not quiet sure how their corporate structure sees the applications of multimedia. After all, their Photo-CD technology was targeted at regular consumers. By any measure, that market has flopped. However, in multimedia circles, communications and DTP, it is a Godsend!
#121189From: Rob SalmonNov 8, 1993 11:28 PM
Kodak knows film is slowly dying and that they have to get into digital imaging in a bigger way than Photo CD. They want to protect their stake in industrial, scientific, and medical imaging. They also have a super fast 4 meg video ram chip that lurks in their R&D lab. Think how the Amiga technology might fit into their plans. They could probably buy C= and soup up the Amiga faster and cheaper than developing something else from scratch. Who says it has to be a desktop computer? Why couldn't it evolve into a digital Carousel Projector? Fun to think about. 🙂
#121279From: John ChangNov 9, 1993 9:07 PM
I though NewTek was already working on a full non-linear digital Toaster? ;-}
#121166From: John ChangNov 8, 1993 9:35 PM
Amen to that brother! As we all know, the Amiga technology is proven, has high performance and one of the better operating systems on the PC market. Somehow, I am reminded of the film "Tucker" in this situation.
#121097From: Laurie CarrollNov 8, 1993 4:32 AM
"Sony" They have just this week-end had a big ad campaign for their new 1/2 size of a CDRom disk, "MiniDisk"…."74 mins of recording time" Is this product up and running over there?? Sometimes NZ is used as a first release area to test out new products. Some more grist to the rumour mill. BTW I am a bit suprised not to have seen anything about the CDRom rewritable "Hard-Drive" disk that Pinnacle Micro have made/developed right under Sony's very nose. There was a small article in the Business Week Review late last month, a reprint from the Fortune Magazine.
#121169From: John ChangNov 8, 1993 9:35 PM
Lots of talk my friend. No deliverables yet. We'll probably have some interesting new toys by COMDEX.
#121175From: Robert ComerNov 8, 1993 9:55 PM
I haven't seen the mini-disk yet, but from what I hear, it's not all what it's cracked up to be… The sound quality isn't as good as we've come to expect with CD's and DAT. The new minidisks use compression to get that kind of storage, and with compression you get loss of signal. (In this case anyway.) The only writable CDRom drives that I've seen are HUGELY expensive for the storage that you get.
#121328From: Kelly JordanNov 10, 1993 6:23 AM
Robert, I was reading some (audio) trade magazines one of the fellows gets at work that had a real good article on the mini-disks and the compression formats. Yes, there is a lot of compression, but the compression is tailored in such a manner as to maintain a minimum S/N ratio for the human ear. I.E. At parts of the audio spectrum where we have a poor audio response, they use a lot more compression compared to the part of the spectrum where the human ear performs much better. Most people will not be able to tell the difference between CD and mini-disc. Course, you will never convince the people that run green felt markers on the outer edges of their CDs <grin>. You ever bump your CD player when listening to it play a sound? You won't have the problem of losing audio for a short time with the mini-disc. It has a large buffer (4 mega-bits, I think) to avoid audio dropouts. Should make portable and vehicle mini-disc players very popular.
#120751From: Paul HigginbottomNov 4, 1993 10:20 PM
They were mentioned in a USA Today article (life section) on the resurgence of the videogame market. Commodore was mentioned along with 3D0 and Atari as threats to Nintendo and Sega. A cool picture of the Atari Jaguar was shown.
#120753From: David A SpakeNov 4, 1993 10:59 PM
The Jaguar? What in the Nine Hells is that? Besides, does anyone take Atari seriously anymore? From what I have seen, they have had more vaporware than anyother company I know of!! Well, at least Commodore stock got a shot in the arm. Not that I belive that it will do a whole lot. I think I have rrealized a long time ago that Amiga was on a downward slide. :-< Thanks for the info tho' TSM
#120796From: John DublerNov 5, 1993 7:51 AM
Ironically (or in a related action?), Atari was also reported yesterday as the most active AMEX issue… Does USA Today have that many investors reading? 🙂 *** jd
#120849From: Paul HigginbottomNov 5, 1993 9:55 PM
While I'm still quite skeptical about Atari's future, the smoke seems to be clearing more and more each day. The Jaguar game machine from Atari is apparently based on a proprietary set of 64 bit chips developed by Atari, that will be built, along with the whole machine, by IBM (yes, you heard me, IBM). Atari forged a deal for the first $500 million worth of product to be built and distributed by IBM in North Carolina, I believe. The Jaguar will apparently retail for $249 with a CD add-on to follow for $200. It sounds incredible if they can pull it off. Wall St. seems very interested. Atari's stock has been on a very steep rise recently. What a fun industry this is to watch!
#120955From: dicNov 6, 1993 3:03 PM
Yeah, but their joypad controls look crappy, IMO. You have to reach around all those buttons! L8r PS: I prefer joysticks myself<g>
#120784From: Marlene Zenker/SYSOPNov 5, 1993 5:40 AM
It went up 1.5 today! No idea why though… Steve
#120785From: Dale LarsonNov 5, 1993 5:47 AM
48% increase to near $5. The Philladelphia Inquirer mentioned rumors of a take-over but reports no comment out of West Chester. I don't care why it jumped 48%, but am real happy to have dumped all my IRA money into C= stock at 3.5 recently. Dale Larson – An Amiga Software Engineer with less and less time on his hands.
#120839From: John ChangNov 5, 1993 8:49 PM
Go Dale! You Indiana Jones of the NYSE! (Enter John Williams fanfare…) ;-}
#120910From: Michael SternbergNov 6, 1993 10:32 AM
DAle- I suspect that Bill Gates secretly covets AmigaDos and the proprietary chipset for use in a real Intel based operating system (Chicago). Michael
#120921From: Robert ComerNov 6, 1993 11:04 AM
Where's the smile on that? I for one don't want usoft to touch ADos. But, the Amiga would be marketed right… 🙂
#121006From: Ron SullivanNov 7, 1993 12:29 AM
Hey Bob, and all, IMHO MicroSoft is about as interested in C= as a fly is in flypaper. Absolutely no respect by Mr. Gates and in fact outri [D [D [Dght contempt, as he has stated publicly on several occaisions, MS has NO intention to support or encourage the Amiga Market. Seems more l ikely to me that someone like Sony or NewTek or HP would be interested in C= Although NewTek's Screamer product does in fact run NT internally for Multiprocessing of renders, or so I was told by NewTekkers at a recent (Sept.) forum here in S.F. CA. What I ck'd in here for was to ascertain the status of the Share Holder's movement that had been gathering steam. Should be coming to a head this month at the Annual ShareHolders Meeting, which will be in NYC this year, instead of Gould's beloved Bahamas. Any feedback out there?
#121037From: Dale LarsonNov 7, 1993 12:37 PM
Where'd you hear that the shareholder's meeting is going to be in NYC? I haven't received any notification of meeting place or time…
#122001From: Ron SullivanNov 17, 1993 2:28 PM
Dale, Sorry to mislead you, I didn't hear NYC per se, only heard that it will be in USA, not Bahamas…