CompuServe Thread

HAM-E is here!

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#20212From: Douglas BullardDec 3, 1990 12:03 AM
Ben, I got my HAM-E Thursday (and Imagine 1.0 at the same time, what a dirty trick, I couldn't figure out which to play with first!). I think I may have one of the bad Agnus chips (I'm waiting for the complete chip upgrade, my dealer says there will probably be a package discount over buying them seperately) as I can get the pictures to display nicely, bit get the ragged right side of the screen. Playing with P2 minimizes it, and I've tried the other factory pots. I'm going to try it on a friends computer which has had the fatter agnus installed recently to see if that's the problem. One question: when I replace the lid, I can see the jaggies on the right hand side of the screen increase in magnitude. Why? If my friend's 2000 also looks wierd, I'm going to borrow a 'scope and check the factory presets. BTW, the picture quality is GREAT! Douglas Bullard 71330,214 P.S. Thanks for using paper packaging instead of Styrofoam popcorn. I'm into recycling, and it is rare today to find somebody who bothers. Every little bit helps!
#20220From: Steve AhlstromDec 3, 1990 10:04 AM
Douglas, Well, if you really want, I'll send you the styrofoam popcorn that my HAM-E was shipped in <grin>.
#20230From: MicroSearch/Greg WhiteDec 4, 1990 12:14 AM
I like the companies that are starting to use 'REAL' popcorn as packing. Pull the gear and pop the shipping box into the microwave to warm it up. Great! Greg Greg White / MicroSearch 72230,1617 We listen to our customers..carefully
#20245From: Michael SternbergDec 4, 1990 9:26 PM
Greg- be sure it is un-buttered! <g> Michael
#20247From: Douglas BullardDec 4, 1990 11:41 PM
Oh, well, so much for altrusim!
#20225From: Black Belt SystemsDec 3, 1990 6:52 PM
Do you have the GVP '030 board by any chance??? Ben Amateur Radio Callsign is A A 7 A S
#20248From: Douglas BullardDec 4, 1990 11:44 PM
Yep, a 28 Mhz with 4 Mb of ram. I tried the board on a friend's 2000 which has a fat agnus and a CSA Hurricane '030 board, and it looked great. Guess I'll have to stop putting off the agnus upgrade <grin>. Love the board, I'm going to try to win a prize in your HAM-E contest! With Imagine 1.0 I think I'm gonna have a killer animation for you. Douglas Bullard 71330,214 (Just gotta get some sleep _sometime_…so many goodies, so few hours to play with them!)
#20253From: Black Belt SystemsDec 5, 1990 7:25 AM
Ok, looking forward to seeing it. Ben Amateur Radio Callsign is A A 7 A S
#20254From: Black Belt SystemsDec 5, 1990 7:32 AM
The bad news is: You are the fourth person to report this tearing; all four of you have the GVP '030 boards. We've alled GVP and they promised to send us a unit we could test, but it's been over two weeks now and they did not send us one – so we can't identify the problem. We _do_ know that it is caused by the GVP processor board; it's screwing with the system clocks. It seems to be the only accellerator that does this. Until we get that 030 board from GVP, there is no way we can figure out what's going on, and that means that you're going to have that tearing. It is possible that it can be adjusted out (our clock circuitry is really quite flexible) but we won't know that until we get it, as I say. We suggest you call GVP, and try and get ahold of someone with some authority – point out that they have not provided the board, and until they do, we're simply advising our customers NOT to buy their accellerator, as it seems to do "no-nos" to the system. There is _no way_ that the accellerator board should cause these problems – we're hoping that it's something unusual that is our fault, but personally, I do think that the accellerator is at fault. Ben Amateur Radio Callsign is A A 7 A S
#20256From: Don NafisDec 5, 1990 10:41 AM
Ben, George Rapp is a good guy to call at GVP. He has always been very helpful to me both when I have had problems with my HD board and just had questions about different GVP products. Hope he still works there since his help to me has been instrumental in my praising GVP responsiveness whenever I can. – Don
#20276From: Douglas BullardDec 6, 1990 12:35 AM
Ben, I installed the CPU switch recommended by GVP when I installed my 3001. When I switch back to the 68000 and reboot (minus all ram and ignoring the hard drive controller) I get the exact same tearing. Without knowing the dirty details of the way the GVP board works, I think that this indicates it's not the board. My dealer is inquiring wen the ECS upgrade is coming, he assures me that the price break on all three chips will be worth it rather then buying the nes agnus then getting the other two. Maybe before Xmas, he'll be able to tell me tomorrow. BTW, check out the picture I uploaded in AmigaArts. It's a digitized picture of the sun in x-rays. Looks pretty good. Later! Douglas Bullard 71330,214
#20281From: Black Belt SystemsDec 6, 1990 2:18 AM
Douglas. Pull the GVP board _out_ of your system. Bet you a dollar the tearing goes away. Ben Amateur Radio Callsign is A A 7 A S
#20301From: Douglas BullardDec 7, 1990 12:09 AM
Did and done, the tearing is still there. Also didn't talk to my dealer today, I want to know what he heard from CBM when he placed his ECS order. Still having fun with it, though. Douglas Bullard 71330,214
#20304From: Black Belt SystemsDec 7, 1990 12:52 AM
If you pulled the HAM-E out, and the tearing is _still_ there, then perhaps it's just an adjustment… this is a _very_ distict possibility. Further, if it *is* just an adjustment, I'd very much like to see if we could get your particular unit woring er, working, without the GVP board… then see if it would work with it. If we can get it working, then we have some important data! Ben Amateur Radio Callsign is A A 7 A S
#20332From: Douglas BullardDec 8, 1990 12:25 AM
I removed the GVP board (your message said HAM-E, a typo I assume). I'm taking the unit to my local user's group tomorrow morning for a demonstration, and I'll play with it some more after then. The fact that it runs well on my friend's machine and tears on mine without the GVP board (no amount of adjustment on all four pots makes it go away) would seem to point to the Agnus chip, would it not?
#20358From: Black Belt SystemsDec 9, 1990 12:22 AM
It might – that's not the same symptoms we've seen before. Let me ask you this – were there any modifications to the a2000 that GVP had you do, or you had done by someone else, to amke the GVP operate or be more reliable or anything like that? I'm speaking here of things like pal changes, extra ground jumpers, cut traces, capacitors here and there… anything at all like that? Or did you simply insert your GVP and up it came? I'm more than willing that you should get a 1 meg agnus, if you have a 512k one; if you have a 1 meg, though, there are no known problems with compatibility there, unless you actually have a _bad_ agnus. Please do let us know what happens, ok? Ben Amateur Radio Callsign is A A 7 A S
#20383From: Douglas BullardDec 9, 1990 11:44 PM
Both my A2000 and GVP are straight stock items. I have an internal modem (2400 baud) but everything else is straight out of the box. Did I mention that I do have a Flicker Fixer? I have an A-B box which I use to switch outputs. I still have the old 512K agnus, my dealer missed his connection at CBM and will place his order for the ECS next week. BTW, I attended the local user's group meeting Saturday and demonstarted the HAM-E. They swarmed all over it! About 7 people said "I've GOT to have that!" There were some questions about comparisions with DCTV and the MAST units, I answered these the best I could with the information I've seen here and on your BBS. One I couldn't answer was what the upgrade policy would be when you up the resolution to 640. Would this be a factory upgrade or a user project, and what will the (projected) cost be (ball park figures are OK). My dealer will probably order some units after Christmas, right now he is so busy and understaffed he doesn't hav ethe time to look at mine, but he is _very_ interested. Well, gotta go. Later! Douglas Bullard 71330,214
#20282From: Black Belt SystemsDec 6, 1990 2:19 AM
And I'll get the pic.
#20288From: Joe KuzmaDec 6, 1990 12:41 PM
I don't know if this is any consolidation, but I just bought CSA's Mega Midget Racer and have been using it with my HAM-E board without fault! According to the CSA engineers (who are probably biased) the MMR is one perfectly engineered board that will be 100% compatible with everything. Though, I am having one problem – that is with Dynamic HIRES. I can not get Dynamic HIRES to work properly on my system now. Though, since I have an Amgia 500, it may be because I modified my system to accept 1 meg of CHIP ram with the new Agnus. Anyone here have ismiliar problem? Joe
#20295From: Black Belt SystemsDec 6, 1990 4:34 PM
I presume you meant "consolation" :^) The only accellerator we have problems with is the GVP 030, to date. They are apparently doing bad things – that might explain why they have failed to send us the evaluation unit they promised us. We're hoping that's not so, and really want to know just what is going on with the GVP accellerators. It's not that they represent a big portion of our sales, it's just that people with accellerators can realize a great advantage – some of our software, specifically render software – takes a lot of processor power. Ben Amateur Radio Callsign is A A 7 A S
#20307From: Joe KuzmaDec 7, 1990 10:30 AM
Ben, Yes, I see your point. (Yes I did mean consolation, my fingers often type faster than I think). I find that rendering 24-bit files with my accelerator is a breeze now, and I actually enjoy watching a few of the mode draw in. Joe
#20327From: Gregory B. TibbsDec 7, 1990 8:31 PM
Examination of the 86 pin CPU connector will tell you that none of the video lines, except system clock lines, are connected. The only two failure modes possible are overloading of the clock signals or radiation of RF into the Agnus, either via the clock lines or induced into the syncs. There is no way to electronically mess with the timing of any of these lines; they are generated externally. -Greg
#20357From: Black Belt SystemsDec 9, 1990 12:19 AM
What happens, Greg, is that the HAM-E will not lock properly with a GVP board in system. The pixels tear at the right end of each scan line; it's as if the timing of the clock re the pixel data is changing across the line; it starts out fine, croaks at about the 75% point. It's not adjustible out, as I understand it. I have NOT seen it myself, though – GVP said that they would send us a board, but they have not done so. Until they _do_ send us one, we're telling GVP owners that there is a compatibility problem, and that as far as we can tell, since all the other accellerators work, that the problem is very likely with the GVP. As soon as we can identify it, we'll do something final, either fix it or make a firm declaration of non-compatibility. Ben Amateur Radio Callsign is A A 7 A S
#20373From: Gregory B. TibbsDec 9, 1990 6:46 PM
A scope on C1* or the syncs will probably show RF is getting transmitted out the video cable into HAM-E. It may have weird effects on the horizontal pixel counter if it is on *C1. May also affect the 221s since they trigger on C1* as well. There is no way a card in the CPU slot can modify the system timing. It has to be noise. -Greg
#20386From: Black Belt SystemsDec 10, 1990 3:12 AM
Ok, thanks for your input. Ben Amateur Radio Callsign is A A 7 A S
#20326From: Gregory B. TibbsDec 7, 1990 8:31 PM
Ben, There is a problem that I've learned about from Expert Service's repair tech: If any 28Mhz gets into the Vsync and Hsync of the (especially 1 and 2 Meg) Agnus, The Agnus goes nuts. It can be as little as 40 mV. A bypass cap at the Agnus on the sync fixed that problem (external genlock's 28Mhz was radiating onto the syncs). It has been seen on A2000s with accelerators and A3000s. This might be the same thing. -Greg
#20356From: Black Belt SystemsDec 9, 1990 12:15 AM
Greg – is this a "for sure"? How much do you trust the ES tech??? It sounds pretty strange… We can certainly pretty well nuke the sync lines, they run _real_ slow compared to 28 mhz, alhtough we can't degrade the edges completely, or the reset signals form the genlock might not get happy either. Hmmm… maybe I need to stick our SuperGen on here and stick a scope on some lines… thing crashes like a pig. Ben Amateur Radio Callsign is A A 7 A S
#20372From: Gregory B. TibbsDec 9, 1990 6:46 PM
I know that this is the fix for the A3000/2300 genlock. A Rev 6 B2000 with external genlock (I don't remember which one) had similar problems. A cap on the Vsync fixed the problem. I trust the tech as he is an EE doing repair work for extra pocket change. He has several Amiga-related designs on the market. -Greg
#20385From: Black Belt SystemsDec 10, 1990 3:11 AM
Ok, that's good enough for me. I'll implement it, and we'll see what happens. Thanks! Ben Amateur Radio Callsign is A A 7 A S
#20287From: Joe KuzmaDec 6, 1990 12:38 PM
CSA Hurrican Board? Imtronics makes the Hurrican brand, which I believe they are out-of-business. CSA Makes the Mega Midget boards.
#20302From: Douglas BullardDec 7, 1990 12:11 AM
Hmmm, whatever it is, it's still being made, as my buddy contacted them about a problem a few days ago. Turns out the old CBM 2Mb board I sold him (it didn't work with my 3001) also barfs out his '030 board. Something about the 150 ns chip speed or something….
#20328From: Gregory B. TibbsDec 7, 1990 8:31 PM
The reason the A2052 soesn't work is described in the AmigaUser/hardware section. -Greg
#20228From: Michael SternbergDec 3, 1990 9:06 PM
Doug- Good point on the environmentally sound pacakging practice! Michael
#20285From: BILL LEACHDec 6, 1990 7:56 AM
Michael; I wonder how many billion barrels of oil (for transportation) these "environmentally sound" packaging practices will cost us! Even the real popcorn is substantially heavier than the other variety. 73, bill
#20289From: Don NafisDec 6, 1990 12:55 PM
I like the foam popcorn. It is light, protects things, doesn't pack down or break down. And it is re-cyclable (sp?). There isn't a bit of foam popcorn that comes in here that doesn't go right back out in packages we ship for business or gift giving. – Don, N2LCR @ K2UK.#SNJ.NJ.USA.NA
#20305From: BILL LEACHDec 7, 1990 9:19 AM
Don; I was really surprised at the weight difference between the two. Like you, I try to reuse the stuff. 73, bill
#20299From: Michael SternbergDec 6, 1990 11:28 PM
Bill, By my estimates, about 23 bbls/week for un-buttered and 28 bbls.week for butter ed. I am happy using croutons or UnderBedDustBunnies (UBDB's) for packages sent out for Christmas. Due to a warmer than normal fall, I am forced (yes forced) to brush out my gold en retriever daily. We are collecting his silky for future packaging needs. Michael
#20306From: BILL LEACHDec 7, 1990 9:19 AM
Michael; Actually I am serious. The weight difference between the two is substantial. I would not be at all surprised if the trade of were negative. Remind me not to order anything from you <grin>. 73, bill
#20331From: Michael SternbergDec 7, 1990 10:35 PM
Bill, For what it's worth- caramel corn shipping material is available at slightly higher cost. Seriously, I do not have a problem with styrofoam cheetos that are *not* blown with CFC's *and* are recycled back to shippers. We save all cheetos at work from packages received and re-use them in items shipped out. At home, I save all shipping containers and packing for re-use. Matter of fact, I just sent my Ham-E unit and transformer back to BBS in the original box. Course my garage is full. <grin> Michael
#20478From: Jim SakladDec 14, 1990 10:26 PM
> Due to a warmer than normal fall, I am forced (yes forced) to brush out > my golden retriever daily. We are collecting his silky for future > packaging needs. I know someone who will spin it into yarn for you…. . . . . . . JimDoc
#20501From: Michael SternbergDec 15, 1990 9:04 PM
Jim, If the woolsmith would like any hair of the dog, I'd be happy to ship them some. Michael
#20235From: Leslie T. BartiromoDec 4, 1990 9:37 AM
Doug, I'd be interested in how your HAM-E looks on the 1 meg Agnus. I have 512K Agnus and I have ragged edges sometimes too. I thought it might be the power supply, which I am returning.
#20249From: Douglas BullardDec 4, 1990 11:46 PM
With my friend's 1 meg agnus, it looks great! Time to shell out some bucks, now at least I can run DigiPaint and DigiView at the same time…
#20265From: Leslie T. BartiromoDec 5, 1990 7:29 PM
Thanks for the update. I was waiting for the ECS to come out and upgrade all at once. This way I only have to bring the computer into the shop once (assuming they don't screw up the installation.) On the other hand, I might see the price of the ECS & Fat Agnus plus installation and have a stroke! I doubt it will be cheap and I am SURE I'll have some major compatibility problems (at least in the beginning.) Does anyone know if DiskMaster works on 2.0 yet? (I know it gagged on the first version.) It is my favorite disk utility so far and I'd hate to give it up.