#AMIGA Internat'l is in
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>CEIs Amiga is the current stuff with some modification that runs todays
>software and most of yesterdays with the currently known and loved
>technology.
Well just like CBM did with later version of the Amiga (like the 1000 vs 2000,
etc) CEI can not guarantee that future versions will remain that way. As a
matter of fact history shows that very few companies have achieve a 100%
guarantee, so in my opininion that is not a big issue.
> UU on the other hand is talking about producing their own
>custom chipset for their box. Which I guess would include Ramsey, Buster
>and everything since all of that is propreitary to the owner of the
>technology. Tell me.. if you were given the choice would you buy from UU
>or CEI what would be your criteria? Would you not consider compatibility?
> Crediability of the company? History? Future?
Hey, this is the great think about competition. If they don't succeed they
die!
How many programs out there tried to survived without suportting IFF?
If they plan to sell a machine they have to deliver what they say.
>Lets suppose I am right and UU can't produce a 100% hardware/software
>compatible Amiga. Then what we have is 'market confusion' and a split of
>hardware/software that works on one machine and doesn't on another.
Oh, like that affected any market out there. PC survived the S-VGA market
before they came with VESA "standards".
>The point I am trying ot make is that the Amiga market is not the same as
>the PC market.
How come?
>The law of supply and demand doesn't apply here as while
>in the short term there is demand and no supply–when that equation swings
>around again and levels out–how does the momentum continue?
Law of supply and demand ALWAYS applies! And if levels out one company might
die, so be it. At least will not wait 8-10 months waiting for the morgue.
>UU has not even mentioned how he plans on getting distribution channels,
>or production going for his box.
>Not to mention the required FCC testing,
So, if they don't your wishes will come true, there will be one Amiga and it
will be from CEI. It's COMPETITION not just the only source. Competition is
GREAT!
>In short, UU could not have such a box built in and on dealers
>shelves in less than 10 months. If anyone has better numbers, please put
>them in here.. and that 10 month figure is dependant on his miracle chip
>set that is 100% compatible. 🙂
Again if they don't, so what? Then Amiga will not have competition. What is
your point? Do you hate UUI that much?
>In short while I would agree with you to a point that competition breeds
>better product–in this case, competition breeds confusion and destroys
>the market as everyone takes the 'wait and see' attitude.
Oh, like liquidattion creates a great market. Hey, people that will buy the
systems will buy them NOW. They have to make a choice NOW! Yes, there are
people that wait and see but if everyone took the wait and see attitude then no
one would buy the POWER PC for the MACs. Oh, they are not 100% compatible, Oh,
they are different.
I will tell you that must likely I would decide one company from the other
(just like LATTICE and MANX C buyer did) but it won't mean that I hope that the
one I prefer wins. I WANT competition. It keeps prices down (like the $2500
AMIGA 4000 what a rip-off!, the delayed grahics cards, IDE not SCSI? YEACH!!)
YES, I agree they might be problems. YOU ARE DEFINETLY RIGHT! So what?
I do beleive that it will be for the better for the OS we like.
Any way you slice it, COMPETITION IS GOOD. i.e. democratic market (cast you
votes with $$$), not dictatorship market (you must like it or tough luck!).
Eduard
>Finally–if there are Amigas to be purchased.. why do we need clones?
> Law of supply and demand ALWAYS applies!
…
> Any way you slice it, COMPETITION IS GOOD
I think this applies often to price for product but less often to quality
of product. Look at 20 years of robust competition in the clone market
and IME they still haven't come up with a product that would make me say
`this is better value than my Amiga' 🙂
regards, Lu on AutoPilot downunder
>I think this applies often to price for product but less often to quality
>of product. Look at 20 years of robust competition in the clone market
>and IME they still haven't come up with a product that would make me say
>`this is better value than my Amiga' 🙂
Lu,
I think you are missing something. The intense competition in the clone
market was a result of IBM either not enforcing their patent right, or not
be able to for some reason (I have never heard a good explanation for
this, anybody know?). The base technology was not good, but competition
has lead to clones that maximize the meager potential of the techonology.
So competition did produce a superior product, in its own restricted
domain. Imagine what would happen if Amiga technology were as open!
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Michael
IBM thought that by copywriting thier BIOS they could keep control of thier
PCs. When Phoenix duplicated the fns of BIOS and made it stick in court, clones
were born.
-ash
Kyfho
Ash,
So are you saying they put the hardware configuration on the public
domain and just thought they would be the sole source for ROM's and would
thus make their money that way. If so, I would say they made a monumental
miscalcultion assuming no one could duplicate the BIOS.
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Ash:
I noticed your unique signoff: >>Kyfho<<
Did you by any chance get this from "An Enemy of the State," by F. Paul Wilson?
(For the benefit of others, it's an acronym in the book for "Keep Your F——
Hands Off," the name of a libertarian-like philosophy espoused by the people on
the home planet of the protaganist.) Are you libertarian? Just curious.
David
>Look at 20 years of robust competition in the clone market and IME they >still
haven't come up with a product that would make me say 'this is a >better value
than my Amiga' Hmmmm, let's see. Now, which computer is still in production??
If you guessed Amiga, Lu, you are incorrect! 20 years of competition in the
clone market is what has made the clones the market dominating force that they
are and that is why no one writes software for the Amiga. Relatively speaking,
no one owns an Amiga. Clones would lower prices and expand the market. Let's
face it, the more machines you have out there, the more powerful your company
will be. Quality and compatibility are issues that will be worked out by you
and I, the consumers. If the quality isn't there or the compatibility isn't
sufficient, what happens? WE DON'T BUY IT. Competition is not only good, it is
essential to the survival of the Amiga way of computing. Competition breeds
innovation and insures a vigorous market. Not a stagnant, "waiting to die"
atmosphere that we have been limping along in for over a decade.
>I think this applies often to price for product but less often to quality
>of product. Look at 20 years of robust competition in the clone market
>and IME
It's more like 15 but that does not matter
>they still haven't come up with a product that would make me say
>`this is better value than my Amiga' 🙂
>
>regards, Lu on AutoPilot downunder
Well that will be to you but nowadays I can't no longer say that
the Amiga is a better value except for maybe video, and multimedia
kiosks. And that will have to be IF it has a company backing it up.
They even lost their game machine advantage when game makers
stop supporting it. 🙁
Anyways, I still think competition is the greatest thing it could happen
to the Amiga, although right now I settle for one company.
Hey, what made the Amiga great was the ORIGINAL design which
was NOT DONE BY COMMODORE but by AMIGA Co. and without
competition and incredibly retarded management, the Amiga is
basicly the same thing as it originally was.
Eduard
I disagree. Commodore added expansion slots including a video slot,
de-interlaced modes, new display capabilities, new look OS, greatly
increased memory handling, more and better quality monitor choices, and so
on.
If CBM stayed with the A1000, the Amiga would have died a long time ago.
So, give CBM some credit, since not all of the employees were like Gould
and Ali.
-= Vance =- Image Master
Internet: viking@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
> Law of supply and demand ALWAYS applies!
Gosh, competent liquidators must be in REAL short supply .. 🙂
–Jim