#Amiga/Commodore
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What is the chance that the demise of Amiga at Los Gatos is the harbinger of
the disapperance of the Amiga? I'll bet we'll see less than 10,000 of the
A-2000's made, then no more Amigas at all ( The A-1000 is out of production
now), just the Commodore PC clones from Europe. I would not buy a 2000 just to
get a PC clone — i'd buy a $900 real PC clone — one that I know would run all
PC pgms. I'd buy a 2000 just for the easier Amiga expansion, but I bet it
won't be around long enuff for me to. Looks like the real user community still
considers Commodore a maker of toy and odd computers, not any for any serious
work, just to play or hack around with. Has anybody heard of a trade-in by
Commodore of the 1000 + $xxx for a 2000 cpu? Can the external disk drives for
the 1000 be used on the 2000 (that'd give me 4! [exclamation, not factorial]
drives)? How about the monitor? Que sera, sera. James Boatwright
If I had a nickel for every time I've heard about a machine being "out of
production now" at Commodore, I would not be working 9 to 5. The simple fact is
that when a sufficient stock of any given machine is sufficient, and some other
machine needs to be built, a line may be retooled to produce that machine. This
does not mean that it is "out of production". The VIC 20 and C64 were a perfect
example of this. When the C64 started to be produced, the VIC line was retooled
to handle it. later, when stocks of the 64 were up, and they got an absolutely
HUGE order for VICs, they started them up again. I would be willing to bet that
if you walked into Commodore today and ordered 100,000 PETs, that they too
would be produced, depending on the current line, sales of other machines, etc.
The A2000 is a viable product for CBM, and they are not about to build 10,000
of them and let it drop.
Regards, Larry.
James,
As to the A1000…it is NOT dead, it (like every other computer made)
goes in and out of production as supply and demand dictate…and as a matter of
fact, another production run was just made within the last month.
This was an "unscheduled" production run in that they did not expect to
have to make another run so soon after the first of the year. (Obviously, this
is according to my source and not "official" CBM information, but my source in
this case is extremely reliable).
Only make 10,000???? You've got to be kidding, if they don't make an
initial production run of 50,000 they'll sell out extremely fast–not a good
idea.
As to closing the Los Gatos facility…that's cost effective, there
were very very few people working there recently (less than 10) and design and
development of the new machines was moved to W. Germany and W. Chester in a
consolidation move. CBM for quite a while had been losing money, but due to
consolidation moves like shutting down the Los Gatos facility, for the last 3
quarters they have made money. Shutting down a building does not mean that the
Amiga comes to an end, it means they didn't want to pay rent on the place,
nothing else.
Yes, your drives and monitor will work with the A2000.
Don
If C, would shut down all its facilities and lay-off all its working employees
(not of course CEO's, etc.), it would sure save money!!! Just keep announcing
products it is going to build and wath the orders roll in!! James Boatwright
James,
You are being silly….if C-A (or any other company) had a building
full of 10 people (that could have held 100's) and did NOT shut it down, they
would have been irresponsible. Where are you getting the idea that C-A is
shutting everything down and waiting until orders come in before they open the
facilities up again? That is pure nonsense. Tell me this, is it more
economical to run 1 assembly line 5 days a week or is it more economical to run
5 assembly lines 1 day a week? It's called productivity…you have 1 (and that
is just an example, I have no idea how many lines C-A has) line that is fully
productive or you have 5 lines (and 5 times the cost and 5 times the
employees)) that are only 20% productive.
The same applies to buildings…is it more economical to have 2 1/2
full buildings or 1 full building? Each building costs the same whether it is
empty or full…so it only makes sense to fill up the 1 building and shut the
other one down.
Also, you seem to be forgetting about the West German facilities.
Don
You need satisfied customers to bring in more customers. James Boatwright
James,
I'm not sure if you are dissatisfied with Commodore or the Amiga. If
you are dissatisfied with Commodore…in many respects, I can agree with you. I
am not satisfied with the way they have handled advertising and that sort of
thing. I am satisfied with the Amiga.
If you are dissatisfied with your Amiga…then I'm sorry. The Amiga
isn't for everyone…it was never intended to be. Of all the computers I use
(AT&T 6300, AT&T 3B2400, IBM PC/XT, Atari ST and the Amiga along with a few
others)…the Amiga suits my personal needs better than any of the others.
Not everyone has those needs, so the Amiga isn't suited for them.
As to Commodore shutting down Los Gatos…my opinion is still that it
was a wise move from an economic standpoint. I'd much rather have a Commodore
still in business with a closed facility at Los Gatos than I would not have
Commodore (and the Amiga) around at all.
Don