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Thanks, Chuck – John
John, They will be merged in shortly, probably showing up by midnight tonight. Chuck
#uploads
Message #57275
I can't find the RSX font program set I uploaded a few days ago. Did you receive them OK?
Thanks guys!
John, I forgot to mention that NEWFONT.CMD did make it into the library ok, so don't re-upload it. After you upload the rest of the files we'll merge them all in at once. Chuck
John, I allocated more space in library 3, so you should be able to proceed with your upload. If you have any other problems, please let either myself or Eli know. Thanks! Chuck
John, that message means that there isn't enough space for your file in the DL you attempted to upload it to. Our primary Sysop, Chuck Sadoian, can reallocate space to correct the problem. In the meantime, please try to upload the file to another DL (say, DL0). Chuck or I…
#quota exceeded
Message #57266
I uploaded Newfont.cmd, 1st of 4 files. Then I got an error, something about a quota being exceeded. I'll try again tomorrow with the others.
Here's another hint. The guys that wrote CP/M came from DEC and originally wrote RSX!!!! Get an old CP/M manual. PIP is the real command there. DIR is a shell that calls PIP. All of the CP/M standards work (wild cards, etc) You will need to learn the UIC structure,…
Thks j
Thanks for the help. I will try those out and see what happens. j
Chris; Indeed, and that is the problem. => 73 KB7LX@K4IWW
Bill; I have not seen anything on the new machines but must admit, that the knowledge of their introduction seemed inconsistant with with what has been going on for the last couple of years. => 73 KB7LX@K4IWW
Joe, make that PIP [*,*]*.*/LI.
What version of RSX are running also some things cannot be done in DCL you need to use MCR. The new the RSX the closer the DCL is to a VAX. A good book is VAX DCL. The RSX Files-11 structure is different but basic commands are the same. Unless…
Bill: If you use DSC, then the backup is bootable. The problem is you have to a take down the system to do a backup with DSC. Chris Zach
Yes, I understand about DEC pushing people towards VAX, and certain applications where it isn't suited. (Actually I believe the VAX *hardware* is suited perfectly fine… it's just the available operating systems — VMS and ELN alike — which leave something to be desired, but not enough to be desired…
Bill; The software is a proprietary data acquisition system with some site specific design features. The problem with upgrades is that the system is tested extensively prior to installation (at great costs) and generally no one is willing to pay the expense of retesting just to install a new O.S.…
Bill, No, what I'm describing is unlikely to work on RSX 3.2. Lord, that's a decade old now! I'm not sure what you mean when you say that your "experience is that the RSX upgrades are not sufficiently compatible with the older versions to work"… we have never had any…
Chris; Thanks for the additional lessons. I did have a look at there command file and DSC is indeed what they are using. If it is possible to do a backup of DL0: to DL1: that could be restored then the purpose is accomplished. Sitting here musing again though, I…
Bill; Do I understand you correctly to say that what you are proposing will create a backup of DL0: on DL1:? While this is not exactly what they want to do, I suspect that it will serve their purposes even better than what I was hoping could be accomplished. Again,…
John, The Rainbow is covered in the DEC PC Forum (GO DECPC). The PDP-11 cannot have a DOS partition; it doesn't run DOS (well… it actually *does* run DOS, but it's a different DOS than the one you're thinking of. One of the original PDP-11 operating systems was called DOS-11,…
#Help
Message #57173
Hi, I am new to this forum and DEC computers. I have just picked up a new client that has a problem. Please help!! The machine is a Digital Rainbow 100. It is on a PDP-11 Network. 1. When we intialized a hard drive on the Rainbow, the maintenance program…
Bill: It would probably be easier to use DSC. Unfortunately, you would have to take the system down for the copy operation (both disks have to be unmounted). The problem with copying, is that RSX maintains a boot file and STB entry for all of the files that start the…
I have the micro rsx system. Thanks for the tip i will try it out. I have a lot to learn about the system and a very short time to do it. After all i cannot drop the system off line after its in its new home. J
The command to look at files on the disk is, simply, DIR. Directories are referenced in brackets, e.g. DIR [MUMBLE] gives you a list of the files in the directory called [MUMBLE]. RSX supports only a single-level directory structure. There are several variants of RSX around; the three most common…
#RSX 11 help
Message #57154
Hello and Help! In my regular job i work as a 2 way radio tech. However due to my computer hobby and such as the world of computers has now integrated with 2 way radio systems i get to be system admin of ever more computer systems. My lateest is…
I just have had a pdp-11/73 dropped into my lap and now i am the system admin. This is a brand new 11. j
There *is* a way to backup disk-to-disk that is known to work, but it does not produce an image, bootable, target disk. You can use the /IMAGE:SAVE and /SAVE:savesetname switches on the BACKUP command, and it will produce a saveset on the target disk, rather akin to what VMS does.…
Bill; I am virtually certain that you are right about the checkpoint file. The system this is about is a distributed processing system (the 11/34 is the host). There is extensive use made of the checkpoint file but the system restarts following powerfail almost always without a hitch. I suspect…
Chris; Thanks for the reply. I am afraid that I am probably just displaying my ignorance of the RSX disk structure, but I would think that PIP would not accomplish the task as the resulting disk must be bootable. However, the DSC idea looks promising or maybe BRU. Unfortunately, I…
I think there's a /IM(age) switch to PIP, or something like that, which should do the job. Of course your concerns about open files on DL0 are perfectly valid. There is no guarantee that the target disk will be logically consistent if you do it this way. I don't think…
Bill: The only thing I can think of is either DSC/BRU, or writing a little command file to look at the directories on the source drive, make the dirs on the target drive, and then do a copy src:[*,*]*.*;* dst:[*,*]*.*;*. This would not copy the checkpoint file, since that is…
#Copy Device?
Message #57136
Does anyone out there in PDP11 land know right off hand if there is an RSX-11M command that is equivalent to the RT11 "copy device" command? In particular, I want to copy DL0: to DL1: while the system is running an application…… of course as I think about the problem,…
Bruce: Do you happen to have RSX11/M running on a Lark drive? I have been trying to get a copy of RSX to run on my CDC lark drive (9457) with little success. Would it be possible for you to send me a genned RSX system (any version, my cpu…
#KERMIT needed
Message #57083
type I would like to obtain a copy of Kermit in RSX 11M (not M+) on a DC 600 tape or a CDC Lark cartridge, or an RX-50 floppy disk. (Tape is preferred) If you can help me, please reply. I'll pay for tape & shipping. Thanks, Bruce Mittleman 70175,662
600,000 PDP-11 sold, huh? Well, that is certainly a rexpectable number of computers, but obviously not at the level of `PC' style gadgets. I had privately told myself there were probably less than half-million. Hmmm, recalling the old Volvo ads, I wonder how many of'em are still running? Thanks, Jerry.
Closing out this question, DEC announced as part of the 11/9x introduction that "over 600,000" PDP-11s have been sold. -Bill
Sadly, Bill, 'tis true. While I am pleased that computing has moved out of the back rooms of institutions, frequently to the kitchen table, I sure wish DEC had been able to participate more fully in this `brave new world'. And then they sneak off and get married to Radio…
I don't think Martin's numbers are correct any more on PDP-11s vs. PCs. DEC doesn't provide numbers, but the latest estimates I saw (a year or so ago) put PDP-11s in the hundreds of thousands (500K I believe) while PCs are clearly in the millions now. I think IBM alone…
Martin, A few nits to be picked: UNIX was originally developed on a PDP-7, not a PDP-11, though the first copies that left Bell Labs were indeed -11 versions. I know, because I indeed got THE first copy out of the Labs, complete with Ken Thompson's personal desk copy of…
For only `two cents', you have done a remarkable job of expressing my own opinions regarding unix and other similar derivitives. I sat up with more interest, however, when you suggested the relative numbers of PC's and PDP11's that are `out there'. Can you cite any sources for the number…
[continued] were rarely exposed to any other OS. Consequently, as these students graduated and entered decision-making positions in the workforce, the demand for "C" and Unix became a deafening roar that is now totally self-perpetuating; those two old hackers have successfully conquered the world! I'll stop ranting now, and simply…
#RSX –> Unix
Message #57004
Hi, Gary; just though I'd put my two-cents in… I hope I'm not too late! I can't caution you NEARLY enough that IMHO you are planning to exchange one set of headaches with another EVEN BIGGER set of headaches!! DANGER! DANGER!! Well, (now that I have your attention), I would…