#superkickstart 1.3 disk
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I have an Amiga 3000 with a SuperKickStart ROM, and would like to get
a hold of a SuperKickstart 1.3 disk if possible. I read in the readme
file that game with SoftBoot3.31 that there is such a disk, but it's
hidden away on the dev conf on BIX. is there a way for a lowly user,
such as myself, to get a hold of this disk? 🙂
i have not been able to get Relokick or any other util floating around
various networks to successfully boot my 3000 with a 1.3 ROM file. 🙁
i suppose my machine will only be happy with a specific
superkickstart 1.3 file. i do not know why commodore would want to
prevent me from getting my hands on it, it's not like it is hot new
trade secret…. 🙂
Bob,
There is no 1.3 SuperKickstart that will work on a 3000. One of the
reasons for the development of the 2.0x Kickstart was to _add_ the needed
hardware support for the 3000, which is not in 1.3. The implication of
this is that 1.3 will not work on a 3000 — it doesn't know about the
3000's hardware system.
Hope this helps….
– BobR
(Motorola Inside!)
hmmm…. in the readme file for softboot331.lha, it mentions a 1.3
superkickstart disk and how to use that to write a kickstart file so
that softboot can kick under 1.3. maybe i misunderstood something in
the docs, so i'll send it to you via email.
is it at all possible to get 3000 to run 1.3?? if so, how? 🙂
bob
Bob,
I have run 1.3 on my 3000. It's one of the older machines that
Kickstart from the harddrive. The way it's set up, there's a separate
partition for 1.3 and 2.x. At cold boot time, you hold down both
mouse buttons to get a menu which lets you pick where you boot from.
It's been a long time since I messed with it, but I remember having
some trouble setting up the 1.3 side with later versions of 2.x. But
there is a 3000 SuperKickstart disk, they just stopped shipping it
around 2.04…
I've tried using that kickstart menu, but since i do not have a 1.3
kickstart disks i can only kick with my 2.04 disk (which i had to do
once when my hd went belly up). according to the documents for
SoftBoot, a util which let's you by-pass the menu in a way, the 1.3
kickstart disk is locked away on BIX in the developers section for
registered developers only (like it's a trade secret )
problem is, i doubt i'm a registered developer. 🙂 i have the 2.04 includes,
and autodocs disks that i ordered from C= while i was taking classes in C
programming. i dunno if this qualifies me, though even if it does not i'd still
like to get a hold of that disk some how….
bob
I got some time ago from CU Amiga (one of the several british mags) a
disk with Relokick1.3 in it. When the .DMS file is expanded to a
floppy, you can boot from it and get the famous WB 1.3 screen in an
A3000 like mine. Its intended use is for non-friendly 2.04 games and
works pretty well.
Nevertheless, Populous doesn't work. 8-(
I've been trying to find some understandable docs in it concerning
description and distribution rights, but the only text file is written
in an unknown and ununderstandable language for me. I am spanish, I
speak english and french and I am living in Germany for almost a year
and I will have to speak german as well in the near future, but that
language must be hungarian or romanian or… who knows!!
>I got some time ago from CU Amiga (one of the several british mags) a disk
>with Relokick1.3 in it. When the .DMS file is expanded to a floppy, you
>can boot from it and get the famous WB 1.3 screen in an A3000 like mine.
>Its intended use is for non-friendly 2.04 games and works pretty well.
i have relokick, but everytime i enter a 1.3 wb disk i get a guru. i do not
know if it has anything to do with the fact that i have a rev 5 motherboard
with a superkickstart rom or not.
Sorry Bob, I cannot answer to that. I do not know what revision my
motherboard is, but I have 37,175 roms and a factory installed HiD
drive. Purchased in Spain, July '92.
Maybe I can help next time.
Bob,
Hmmmmm, I don't think you are right. If I hold down both mouse buttons
on my 3000 I get a kickstart menu that allows me to choose either
kickstart 1.3 or 2.x and to load from either floppy or HD. I also have a
superkickstart disk that has both 1.3 and 2.x. Maybe you were thinking of
the 4000? Nahhhh. My 3000 does not have the kickstart rom. Maybe 1.3 will
not take advantage of all of the 3000's hdwe. features but it does work. I
got rid of the useless 1.3 partition soon after I got the 3000 but can
still boot 1.3 if I really need it.
Goin' AP
…..Mark Sterling
Mark,
Yes – I had a brain lapse there. The version of 1.3 that shipped with the
_early_ 3000's was a special version made just for the 3000 ('cause the
"release" 1.3 didn't know about the 3000's hardware requirements).
As far as I know, this "special" 1.3 image was only available on the early
3000's. As soon as 2.04 was finalized, 3000's started shipping with 2.04 in
ROM, and the 1.3 compatibility was felt by C= to be a moot issue, as the 1.3
capability was there only because earlier revs of 2.0x were slightly buggy.
Thanks for the correction.
– BobR
I always seem to have the early (read "unfinished") version of
whatever machine I buy. The 3000 has been very stable although the
superkickstart setup probably boots slower than one with a 2.04 rom.
I did like the flexibility of booting from disk.
What I don't understand is how that other guy did not have the
superkick disk when he had the superkick 3000!? Maybe he bought it
used and incomplete.
The trick to avoiding that syndrome is to buy *behind* the leading edge. RIght
now is a great time to buy 4000 040s, or 486s, for that matter. 🙂
There is REALLY no way to win. If you buy early it will be too expensive
and not yet finished. If you buy later it will be much cheaper but will
soon be obsolete. I have made both of these mistakes.
Goin' AP
…..Mark Sterling
Did someone ever tell you that computers were a good investment? :-=)
Nope, nobody really has tried to convince me that computers are good
investments. I'd like to have them try. Hasn't ever stopped me from buying
them. Counting at home and at my business I currently have 13 computers.
Only one of those is not in use.
Anybody want a Texas Instruments 990 series BS674 with 2 44meg HDs,
1meg of ram, nine serial ports, two printer ports, 1 dual 8" floppy and
one 1/4" tape drive. Was $25,000, $450 or best offer. P^) P^) I ran my
business with it for almost eight years.
Goin' AP
…..Mark Sterling
> I always seem to have the early (read "unfinished") version of whatever
>machine I buy. The 3000 has been very stable although the superkickstart
well, that's what you get when you buy the first one off the assembly line. 🙂
> What I don't understand is how that other guy did not have the
>superkick disk when he had the superkick 3000!?
i do not know if your refer to me or not, but i *have* a 2.04
superkickstart disk. i would also like to have a 1.3 superkickstart
disk. i got my 3000 in spring 92, and it only came with a 2.04 disk
since 2.04 was pretty much the standard by that time (or so it
seemed).
bob
I hadn't booted 1.3 in so long I had to test it to be sure that both 1.3
and 2.04 were on the superkick disk. Yep, I have it. Man, 1.3 looks
ugly!!! Sure, send me your address and I'll send a disk. It can't really
be any harm to C= as I see it. If I played old games or something I would
probably use it more often.
Goin' AP
…..Mark Sterling
after i read your message, i decided to try seeing if 1.3 kickstart was on my
disk labeled "A3000 Kickstart Version 2.04". i shut the system off, turned it
on, held both mouse buttons on, when the kickstart menu appeared, i clicked 1.3
floppy and put the disk in. dang, it worked! 🙂 the wb1.3 picture appeared and
i put in my AmigaVision boot disk in and my 3000 was happily running amigados
1.3!
i tried running Harpoon (the only 1.3 game i could think of that i had and
never could get to work under 2.x) from the ram drive, but my amiga guru'd
after it popped up the error saying something about waiting for all disk
activity to stop. i'll try running it from floppies in the morning.
the only other problem i had was that i couldn't get softboot to load the
kickstart1.3 i created on the hd from the kickstart disk. i'll try reading over
softboot's readme again tomorrow.
so you can scratch the mail i sent you. 🙂
bob
Bob,
I was gone most of the week and haven't sent that disk yet although I
did get your E-mail. OK, I'll forget it. I guess your kickstart disk was
mis-labelled. I haven't used softboot so I can't help you on that one.
Good luck with Harpoon.
Goin' AP
…..Mark Sterling
Ummmm……no SuperKickstart for 3000's? Then why did my 3000 come set
up with 2 seperate boot partitions, one for 1.3 and the other for
2.04? And why if you press down both mouse buttons at boot up it
gives you the option of booting into 1.3 or 2.x? You must be thinking
about the 4000 Bob.
Yep – I had a "brain fault". I've since retracted/clarified. Mea
culpa….