#No Amiga Monitors
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I don't mean to overstate this and further hurt the C= market, but the
lack of a decent monitor for the Amiga 4000 is not a trivial matter.
I'd been putting off buying the Amiga 4000 until the 1942 monitor
became available again… after March 15 by all announcements. Prior
to this time, alternate monitors were available, but at triple or
more of the 1942's price. Yesterday, I made some phone calls to the
mail- order Amiga dealers (since none are within driving range) and I
was frankly alarmed by the responses:
SafeHarbor: (one of the more reliable mail-order houses in my
experience) "We have absolutely no Amiga 4000 compatible monitors in
stock, but are hoping to have something soon."
ComputAbility: ("One of Wisconsin's Top 10 Women owned
Businesses"…I'd love to hear Rush Limbaugh comment on that one….)
"Sure! Any old SVGA monitor will work with the Amiga 4000." (My
understanding is that this is an incredibly huge falsehood.)
Creative Computers: "Nope! No compatible monitors here."
Let me get this straight… C= is trying to sell Amigas, except that
you really can't buy a monitor for your new Amiga, so you'll just
have to use it as a 2 and 1/2 grand door stop until one arrives. I
sure hope CD32 is selling, because C= is certainly not generating any
money with Amigas!
I've seen the ads in AmigaWorld for a new 4000 compatible monitor, but
no one seems to be stocking it yet. It sounds promising, but until
it's on the shelves, its no more helpful than all of those wonderful,
but non-existent Opalvision modules which have been advertised for a
couple of years now.
Excuse my negative tone, but I'm getting a tad worried. Can anyone
shed any light on this?
Computability will say whatever it takes to sell you IBM compat
products… if you haven't noticed, they are phasing support for the
Amiga.
I realize that many people balk at refurbished units, but several
companies offer refurbished multisync/scan type monitors. (With a much
better surface viewing area than the 1942)
As I understand it… SVGA monitors will work quite well on the A4000, you
just can't read your GURU messages! <g>
Steven,
Here is the latest I have on the monitor situation.
I talked to several of my distributors (I am an Amiga dealer too) and
they have not gotten any word from Commodore as to the confirmation
of their monitor orders. Normally about 3 days prior to shipment
everyone who purchased monitors are contacted. This hasn't happened
as of last Thursday. The distributors are quite furious. A letter
from one distributor went to Medhi Ali saying that if Commodore did
not provide the needed monitors that they will not pay for the A4000s
that they had recently purchased.
I have tried to contact John DiLullo over this last week on this issue
as well as the 20 questions promise. No word yet.
Hang in there.. I could have an update on the situation in the next
day or so.
What? C= US has buried it's heads again!! Gee, how out of character for
them<BG>..
Trent
"If in doubt, empty the magazine"
Perhaps the few people there are so busy that they haven't had time
to return my call. I am not exactly high priority with them I am
sure. I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt.
<sigh>.. You're right Mark, but it is very frustrating sometimes..
Trent
"If in doubt, empty the magazine"
SM >>Let me get this straight… C= is trying to sell Amigas, except that
you really can't buy a monitor for your new Amiga, […]<<
I have a list of multisync monitors that are suppose to work with the
Amiga. You will still need the 23-to-15 pin adapter. A few of them may
have been discontinued, but they should be just as compatible
refurbished:
Model Manufacturer Size kHz Hz mm
———————————————————————
MS-8431 Amazing Tech 14 15-36 ? .31
AML-1402 Adara 14 15-36 45-90 .28
CM-324 AOC 14 15-36 50-90 .31
CM-326 AOC 14 15-38 50-90 .28
Model 9002 Aydin Controls 20 15-38 40-120 .31
Ranger 5021 Aydin 21 15.5-38.5 50-90 .31
Patriot 9002,9003 Aydin 19 15-38 40-120 .31
ICD 451 B Barco 20 15-36 45-85 .31
OCM 2846 Barco 28 15-36 45-120 .80
SCM 3346 Barco 33 15-36 45-120 .80
Auto-Trak 7114 Conrac Display 13 15.5-37 45-80 .31
Auto-Trak 9250 Conrac Display 13 15-37.5 48-90 .31
Model 7126S Conrac Display 26 15-32 48-75 .82
Model 7211 Conrac Display 13 15-37.5 47-80 .31
Model 7211 Conrac Display 19 15-37.5 47-80 .31
Model 7241 Conrac Display 19 15-37 47-80 .31
Model 9214 Conrac Display 13 15-38 50-80 .28
Multiscan 3436 CTX 14 15-38 50-90 .28
TSM-1431 Darius 14 15.5-39 50-90 ?
Flexscan 9060S EIZO 14 15.5-38.5 50-90 ?
ECM 1410,1411 Electrohome 14 15-40 45-90 .28
ECM 2010,2012 Electrohome 20 15-38 45-120 .31
Eversync Color Everex 14 15.5-35 50-70 .28
Infinity FMS Falco Data 14 15-38 47-90 .28
MTS-9608S Forefront 14 15-38 50-90 ?
Idek MF-5015A IDEK/Iiyama 15 15.5-39 50-90 .31
Idek MF-5017 IDEK/Iiyama 17 15-40 50-90 .31
Idek MF-5021A IDEK/Iiyama 21 15.5-39 50-90 .31
M21LMUMAX Image Systems 21 15-65 55-90 .31
C21LV-65MAX Image Systems 21 15-65 55-90 .31
C24LV-65MAX Image Systems 24 15-65 55-90 .31
CM-1403 Intra 14 15-38 40-100 .28
GD-H4220US JVC 19 15-37 45-87 .31
CMON M Leading Edge 14 15.75-39 50-90 .28
MagicVIEW 19 MacProducts 19 15.75-36 50-100 .55
Model 2014/LP Microvitec 14 15-40 45-100 .31
Model 2020 Microvitec 20 15-38 ? ?
AutoScan 2038 Microvitec 20 15-38 45-120 .31
Model 710MH Mitsuba 14 15-38 50-90 .28
AM-1381A Mitsubishi 13 15.6-36 45-90 .31
FA-3415 Mitsubishi 14 15.7-35.5 50-87 .28
Diamond Pro 26M Mitsubishi 25 15-38 45-90 .31
Diamond Scan 20LP/20M Mitsubishi 20 15-38 45-90 .31
HC-3915 Mitsubishi 20 15-38 45-90 .31
HC-3505SK Mitsubishi 26 15.7-38 45-90 .31
XC-3315C Mitsubishi 33 15-38 40-120 .83
XC-3715C Mitsubishi 37 15-36 45-120 ?
AM-2752A Mitsubishi 27 15.6-36 45-90 .75
AM-3151A Mitsubishi 31 15.6-36 45-90 .76
AM-3501R Mitsubishi 35 15-35.5 45-70 .92
MG-3430 Modgraph 9 15-35 50-70 .26
MultiSync I NEC 14 15.5-35 50-72 ?
MultiSync II NEC 14 15-35 50-80 .31
MultiSync 3D NEC 14 15.5-38 50-90 .28
DataSmart DM-2710 NEC 27 15-38 40-100 .75
445A801 Nokia 20 15-35 45-80 .31
445F001 Nokia 20 15-35 45-80 .31
445J202 Nokia 20 15-35 45-80 .31
PanaSync C1391 Panasonic 13 15.5-36 40-80 .31
AlphaScan Sampo 14 15.75-36 50-87 .28
CE-8 Sceptre 14 15-38 50-90 .28
CM-3 Sceptre 14 15.5-36 50-70 .31
CPD-1302 SONY 13 15.75-36 50-100 .25
GVM-1310 SONY 13 15.75-36 50-100 .25
GVM-1311Q SONY 13 15-36 50-100 .25
GVM-2020 SONY 20 15.75-36 50-100 .55
Tuff/CRT Talon 14 15-35 47-73 .31
Omniscan CM-1495H Tatung 14 15-37 40-120 .31
MultiVision 770+ TAXAN 14 15-37 50-90 .31
MediaScan 3+ TVM 14 15-38 46-100 .28
TM-5414 TW Casper 14 15.5-35 50-70 .31
TY-1411 Tystar 14 15.5-37 50-120 .28
Princeton MAX-15 Ultimate Display 14 15-36 45-120 ?
Princeton Ultra 1200 Ultimate Display 12 15-38 45-120 .28
Princeton Ultra 1400 Ultimate Display 14 15-38 45-120 .28
Princeton Ultra 1600 Ultimate Display 16 15-38 45-120 .31
———————————————————————
Ron.
– ap'ing with AP. (Eagles may fly, but weasels aren't sucked
into jet engines.)
Ron, I think you have way too much time on your hands<g> 🙂
Trent
"If in doubt, empty the magazine"
Wow! Thanks for the incredible reply and the help!
?EXIT
Wow! Some list Ron, thanks. I posted that on my BBS for the users to use
as reference, and printed it for my own use.
How did you do that?
Tom
Oklahoma City, OK USA
jonest@hfsi.com
TJ >>Some list Ron […] How did you do that?<<
A local BBS, which has an Internet feed, collects some of the newsgroups
for the Amiga. Lists for Amiga monitors, and other devices & software are
posted periodically. I collect them, and as needed — I post them
elsewhere.
Ron.
– ap'ing with AP. (Eagles may fly, but weasels aren't sucked
into jet engines.)
Thanks Ronald!!
That list is just what I need…
My new A4000 has been sitting on my desk since January (with no monitor)… I
think I'll take your listing down to my local PC department store this weekend!
Thanks!
– Dave
DH >>I think I'll take your listing down to my local PC department store
this weekend!<<
Make sure you have a Commodore 23-to-15 pin adaptor for connecting the
monitor to the Amiga's Video port. 🙂
Ron.
– ap'ing with AP. (Eagles may fly, but weasels aren't sucked
into jet engines.)
Redmond Cables (they advertise in AW) caries them… assuming you don't
have a local Amy dealer…
"Sucking it up in the Sandhills."
Chris – Fast and Low on my '020!
…Is it significant that my spell checker doesn't know "Intel"?
Hi Ron,
RR >> Make sure you have a Commodore 23-to-15 pin adaptor for connecting the
monitor to the Amiga's Video port. 🙂
Thanks Ron, I have the adapter… finding a VGA "multisync" that syncs on the
horizontal down to 15 kHz isn't as easy, tho. All the newer models on display
in two stores don't provide that. Also, I need the VGA display for my
GoldenGate emulator.
– Dave
DH >>finding a VGA "multisync" that syncs on the horizontal down to 15 kHz
isn't as easy, tho.<<
True. While I have a list of multisyncs that work, I haven't gotten a
multisync yet. Currently, I'm making do with a VGA-only monitor & the
PPREFS promotion program. The monitor is monochrome, but it syncs to
Double-NTSC, Double-PAL, MultiScan, and Euro72 without problems, and has a
nice flatscreen.
I need a new TV, and I was think of spending the money on a cable ready
color TV instead of the new monitor. I would hook the A1200 to VGA most
of the time, then hook the TV upto the Composite jack when I wanted to
play a 15-kHz only game.
Ron.
– ap'ing with AP. (Eagles may fly, but weasels aren't sucked
into jet engines.)
Hi Ron…
Thanks for the bandwidth!
A side benefit from our conversation is that I have a note in my mailbox
from someone that may have (one) monitor for me! <smile>
Thanks,
– Dave
I called Creative Computers last night and they told me they have 1942
monitors in stock.
Hi Leslie,
>>I called Creative Computers last night and they told me they have 1942
monitors in stock.
NOrmally I wouldn't have a problem with this statement, but as it is, I have
a problem with it at the moment… _I_ called Creative back in January for a
1942 monitor… When Creative didn't ship for a few weeks, I asked them about
the CTX monitor. (This was back on 2/17/94…) At that time, <Jim> told me that
the CTX was due in that day and (Creative) should be able to ship to me by the
next day…. So I waited… Figured <Jim> didn't reserve a CTX for me, and
called back again a few weeks later. At that time, Creative told me that they
didn't know when they expected the CTX in…
I called Creative again yesterday to check on my CTX order status, and now
they tell me they expect the CTX in this week. I asked why they thought that,
and the reply was "because it's written down here…" O.K., so I'm a patient
type of guy and take that with a grain of salt.
So, Im sticking with my CTX order. I've bought my A2000 & A4000 cpu's from
them, and they _almost always_ provide the most excellent service.
If I had another dependable source for a decent multisync monitor, I would have
bought it weeks ago.
Thanks,
– Dave
I was looking at that CTX monitor too. A couple weeks ago Creative
told me it was in stock too. I hope your monitor arrives soon. If you
don't mind, could you leave a little review on the CTX? Thanks!
I bought a CTX 17" monitor for my PC. It cost less than half the Sony
SE17 I had on trial ($, and it performs at least half as well, so I guess
it is a good deal. 😉
My impression of CTX is that it is cheap stuff, but not horrible. Depends
on what you are using it for and what your budget is. If I sat in front
of the PC all day, I'd have spent twice as much money for a better
monitor, but since I don't, I didn't.
— Dale L. Larson, Intangible Assets Manufacturing
— INTERNET:dale@iam.com
Thanks for the honest evaluation. ARE there any good multi-syncs out
there that take full advantage of the Amiga?
Used and refurbished — yes. New and affordable — no. There are some
$1k+ "multimedia" monitors that should be great on an Amiga, but I really
don't know any details other than that they exist.
— Dale L. Larson, Intangible Assets Manufacturing
— INTERNET:dale@iam.com
-> Used and refurbished — yes. New and affordable — no. There are some
$1k+ "multimedia" monitors that should be great on an Amiga, but I really
don't know any details other than that they exist.
Is there any place you can recommend that sells "used and refurbished"
monitors that would have enough knowledge of the Amiga that could steer me
to a good monitor?
I'm sorry, I don't remember who, but someone was recently offering refurb
Misubishi Diamond scans in the classifieds area here. Might have been the
same guy with the Tower cases..
— Dale L. Larson, Intangible Assets Manufacturing
— INTERNET:dale@iam.com
Hi Leslie,
You wrote:
>> could you leave a little review on the CTX?
Looks like Dale was able to give you at least a mild review of the CTX…
Creative now tells me that they don't know when the CTX monitors will arrive,
and my local dealer says check back again next week <again>…
Since I have all this time on my hands, I think I'll try to see what I can do
with this NEC multisync.
See ya,
– Dave
In the back of Amiga World there is an ad for Electrohome monitors
which they say are Amiga compatible.
I called Eletrohome, no one could give me any information. They told
me to call their distributor. They will sell the monitor direct for
1100.00 U.S. for the 14" model.
Julius via AutoPilot
I called Electrohome and got voice mail. I left my name and wasn't
called back. Oh, well.
Are you writing about the CTX sold by Creative?
I found out that it is a discontinued multiscan monitor. I considered
getting until I found a used NEC 1401P3A multi-sync for less. If you can
get it, it should work for you.
Sincerely,
(Mr.) Gayle Lee Fairless
'Perfessor Fearless' from the Rocket City!
via AutoPilot 1.03a
Leslie,
Thanks for the reply! … You wrote:
>> In the back of Amiga World there is an ad for Electrohome monitors
>> which they say are Amiga compatible.
While looking for the ad in the April issue, on page 82 ("Help Key" by Tim
Walsh) I also noticed that Andreas R. Sheriff was having a problem with the
Mitsubishi Diamond Scan multisync off his A1200 (AGA)…. Along the lines of
moving vertical lines… Tim suggested a work-around (for WB 3.0) with a
program called "MONED". So, now I'm curious to see if it's online here.
Also, (unfortunately), it also gives me second thoughts about the Diamond Scan
monitor. I suppose it pays to read ALL of the magazine, especially if you're
looking for a solution.
Thanks,
– Dave
Finding a good Multisycn seems to be a tough problem for Amiga owners.
Perhaps I'll just get a 1942 (if I can find one.)
David,
yes, MONED is here in AmigaUser, library 3, MONED.LHA.
Safe Harbor mail order is beginning to stock the Electrohomes, but I've
not seen one in person yet.
Thanks. I'll give Safe Harbor a call.
Ron,
Thanks for the list.
Do i understand things right if say every monitor in the list is fully
Amiga-compatible and will display every resolution of the Amiga.
Hans Keesom Amsterdam
HK >>Do i understand things right if say every monitor in the list is
fully Amiga-compatible and will display every resolution of the Amiga.<<
I personally haven't checked out the monitors on the list. They will need
the 23-to-15 pin adaptor needed to connect the monitors to the Amiga's
Video port.
All of the monitors should display both the Hi-sync (~31-kHz) & the
Lo-sync (~15-kHz) of the Amiga. A few like the IDEK MF-50xx, I know
support the mid-sync (~24-kHz), although all might support the mid-sync.
The only mode the monitors will not display is the A2024 mode, which
requires a "multi-panel" monitor.
Ron.
– ap'ing with AP. (Eagles may fly, but weasels aren't sucked
into jet engines.)
There is no such thing as a "multi-panel" monitor. Well, maybe the A2024
itself could be described as one since it has the video card internal to
the monitor rather than in the video slot, but that's a little like
calling my auto a "stereo-car" because it happens to contain a radio.
— Dale L. Larson, Intangible Assets Manufacturing
— INTERNET:dale@iam.com
DL >>There is no such thing as a "multi-panel" monitor. Well, maybe the
A2024 itself could be described as one since […]<<
It was the only name I could think of to describe the A2024, the
"multi-panel" referring to the 4 or 6 separate areas or "panels" that are
used to create the larger screen.
To my understanding, the A2024 is a "Viking MonoTerm" monitor, correct?
Is there a classification that can be given to this type of monitor, with
its built-in card and display system?
Ron.
– ap'ing with AP. (Eagles may fly, but weasels aren't sucked
into jet engines.)
The Viking Moniterm works exactly like an A2024, but is a video card and
19" monitor combination rather than a 15" monitor with the video card guts
internal to the monitor.
— Dale L. Larson, Intangible Assets Manufacturing
— INTERNET:dale@iam.com
C= Canada has released oodles of monitors. My dealer has been trying
to get me to upgrade from my old 1084S (my resolve is slowly
weakening<g>). If you want to go another route you could order from
one of the smaller shops here in Canada and get it within 2-3
weeks.. Up to you<g>.
Hmmm. That sounds like an interesting option.
Thanks!
Steve