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#Xetec CD Software Great!

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#57857From: Jonathan HirschmanMay 22, 1992 10:31 PM
Hi; I just had to write this message; its not often that we hear of something that goes right with an Amiga Vendor. Most often, someone's Visa got charged before the product shipped, or the vendor went of biz, or version 5.0 of something has drastic bugs…we never hear the good stuff. Well, here's some good stuff. As I type this, my hard disk LED is flickering, polling my CD-ROM drive to see if a disk is inserted. The product that is doing the flickering is XETEC's CD-ROM File System. This software had the easiest install I've seen in a while. You tell it to find your SCSI device (it did), and what your controller is. You can play with some settings (well explained in the manual) and tell it to go to work. Two minutes later, my Amiga is on a talking terms with my Toshiba CD-ROM!! The price direct from Xetec was about $50; it included UPS Blue shipment, an audio utility, and two CD-ROMs (Fish and More Iⅈ goes up to FF470). This is a great product at a great price. Expect to see a lot of older SCSI ROM's getting dumped soon (the new generation just hit)…bargains for the AmigaHeads!! Jonathan – via Whap!
#57874From: John GagerMay 23, 1992 4:49 AM
Welcome to the crowd Jonathan! I've been enjoying my Xetec CD-Rom drive and software for a little over a year now. And I agree, the Xetec software is plug-and-play. You might want to call their BBS once in awhile because they update the CD-Rom software almost monthly. I'm glad they are now offering support for CD-Rom drives other than the Chinon. If they would have been doing this back when I bought mine, I would probably have purchased a Toshiba drive instead. Also wish they would update their "Fish & More" CD-Roms because they max out at Fred Fish disk 470. But I bought HyperMedia Concepts CD and it contains Fish from 1-600 (Version 1.4). Lots of IBM CD Roms can be used if you are interested in Graphics or ClipArt. One in particular called "VGA Spectrum". Not only does it contain a BUNCH of .GIF pictures and clipart, but a BIG directory of .MOD files. These were originally intended to be used for IBMer's with Sound Blaster boards, but they came from the Amiga world anyway. John – K7KB (via Whap!)
#57927From: Timothy P TrompeterMay 23, 1992 10:26 PM
John, Do you have the telephone number for Xetec's BBS? .. Tim Trompeter…
#57973From: John GagerMay 24, 1992 7:25 AM
Well just a second while I go to the background and bring up my Term program. OK, it says the number for Xetec's BBS is 913-827-1974. John – K7KB (via Whap!)
#58115From: Timothy P TrompeterMay 25, 1992 11:49 PM
Thanks. I'm trying to find out if Xetec CDROM software supports Toshiba drives. CDROM-FS does, but there are enough bugs in the driver so that my system crashes sporadically, Especially when using WHAP!, and I'd like to put an end to those probs… If anyone's using a Toshiba CDROM and Xetec software, I'd love to hear your comments about the combination. .. Tim Trompeter…
#58126From: John GagerMay 26, 1992 1:02 AM
Tim: Here is a clip from my Xetec documentation for the latest software – This release of the cdx.device should support any SCSI CD-ROM drive, as well as audio control on the following drives: Chinon CDS-431 Sony CDU-541, CDU-8001 Texel DM-3000, DM-5000 series Toshiba XM-2200A, XM-3200B, XM-3201B, XM-5100A NEC CDR-75/CDR-77 Future updates will support even more drives. So that's it, if your Toshiba is among those listed, it should work with the audio and CD-Rom capability of the drive. Even if it is not listed, it looks like the software will work with most any CD-Rom drive, but Audio capability may be limited. John – K7KB (via Whap!)
#58342From: Mark SterlingMay 28, 1992 4:46 PM
I have a Toshiba XM-3301B CDRom reader and it works perfectly with the Xetec software. I also have the CDRom_FS software and it works fine on this drive. The Xetec software now supports block sizes other than 2K. The installer IS very nice and so are the people at Xetec.
#58467From: Timothy P TrompeterMay 29, 1992 10:40 PM
I've ordered the Xetec software and it sounds like what I'm looking for 🙂 The problems with CDROM-FS have to do with it not co-existing peacfully with other programs I use regularly; in particular WHAP! … I've installed CDROM-FS only to find that when I try to use the hot key combinations in whap (like r-amiga-q or r-amiga-m to quit viewing a message base or to flip to the next message base, respectively) I get repeatable gurus that disappear after I take the CDROM-FS out of the system. Since I find that annoying (especially when I forget it's a problem on my system…) I decided to purchase the other CDROM driver. I'm hoping that the Xetec stuff won't have similar problems.
#58524From: Jonathan HirschmanMay 30, 1992 12:10 PM
The Xetec software works just fine with WHAP! (at least the demo version I have). It hasn't had a problem with anything, actually.
#58680From: Timothy P TrompeterMay 31, 1992 10:09 PM
Jonathan, i've installed the xetec software, and my hotkey gurus have vanished 😉 so far, no problems with anything, except that the FF programs on the xetec cd's are much more difficult to locate than those from the hypermedia discs. They also tend not to run a lot from WB; and i use WB to peruse around the cd because i'm not so familiar with all the cd directories–but the hypermedia cd works just fine and dandy from the xetec controller software. happy again on the peninsula! .. Tim Trompeter…
#58817From: Jonathan HirschmanJun 2, 1992 9:39 AM
Timothy, I'm glad that you found satisfaction. When I sat down a friend to check out my new CD setup, the first thing he did was pop in a Fish and More disk, and look for Aquarium (which, I guess, is a FF disk database). He didn't find it, and pronounced the collection as trash. I'm not so hard on Xetec, but they could have done a better job with the organization of the files. However, (and this bears repeating) their file system software is amazing. Again, one of the best investments I made on my Amiga. Jonathan
#58984From: Scott BaederJun 3, 1992 8:49 PM
tim and jonathan, I couldn't disagree more…the fish and more is organized by subject, and a few clicks of the mouse, and I can find all kinds of things…to me its a lot easier than looking thru the aquarium DB…But I do agree that if you know what program you want (and which fish disk it was on, it can be tough to find… Well different strokes… I too like the xetec package (had mine a year+), and the BBS is a good place get the updates from… Later… Scott
#59442From: Timothy P TrompeterJun 7, 1992 11:24 PM
Jonathan, I agree that the Hypermedia FF collection is easier to use (and as of right now more current as it includes 600 disks), but quite realistically the driver software itself is worth $50!!! It's one of those times when I don't feel like I'm getting shortchanged with a software purchase. I just hope that I'm not disappointed in the future. But, after a phone conversation with someone at Xetec and several prompt and appropriate responses to my inquiries on their BBS, I don't think there's gonna be any problem. Just continuing to do my part as a consumer 🙂 .. Tim Trompeter…
#58562From: Mark SterlingMay 30, 1992 8:05 PM
Tim, Your mention of the problem between Whap! and CDRom-FS has solved a longstanding mystery on my system. Suddenly I was getting Gurus whenever I called a file requester from Whap! I had no idea what could be causing the problem. It apparently was CDRom-FS. When I got the Xetec software and changed my startup so that CDRom_FS was not automatically invoked the problem disappeared. I would like to thank YOU! The problem is not happening when I use the Xetec software. I didn't encounter any other problems with CDRom-FS. I don't think it is bad software but the problem with Whap! is puzzling.
#58684From: Timothy P TrompeterMay 31, 1992 10:11 PM
Mark, My problems are gone, too! I don't know what the CDROM-FS problems were or are, and maybe they'll fix them in the future. If it breaks one program, who knows what other kind of damage it could do to others. I'm gonna call them and let them know, maybe it'll prompt them to investigate and clean up the program. .. Tim Trompeter…
#57957From: Jonathan HirschmanMay 24, 1992 1:31 AM
John, Thanks for the welcome! I have to say that the Toshiba 3201b is a pretty great unit ( a friend of mine is having trouble with his 3301, which is much faster, and may swap me even for my unit…I hope!!); it is pretty fast, and works perfectly with the Xetec software (which also works perfectly with my GVP Series II card). I bought the unit specifically for using bitmap-clipart collections, but found the Fish Disks to be very pleasant surprises. I hope that they do a Volume III; I would probably snap it up immediately. Thanks for the tip on VGA Spectrum; will look for it. I hope that these messages inspire a lot of other Amigaheads to look into CD-ROM… Jonathan – via Whap!
#57974From: John GagerMay 24, 1992 7:26 AM
Yep, I hope we get a bunch of people interested in CD-Rom, then maybe some other developers would create some CD's specifically for the Amiga. I'm sure things will get much better when CBM FINALLY gets around to releasing their drives. But I didn't want to wait 2 years or so for them to come out with a drive for the 3000. John – K7KB (via Whap!)
#58034From: Betty Clay/SYSOPMay 24, 1992 10:26 PM
John, Commodore showed their CD-Rom drive at the AmigaShopper Show in London a week or so ago. The drives are supposed to be released for sale there by now, but I was not given the price. I suspect they will be released here by fall, if not sooner. Betty
#58071From: Allan TreadwellMay 25, 1992 12:12 PM
Betty, The price over here for a A570/A670 CD drive is #299 but is only compatible with the A500 and A600. Cheers Allan from the UK – via Whap!
#58122From: Betty Clay/SYSOPMay 26, 1992 12:52 AM
Allan, Thanks for the price. Are the drives actually being sold now? I do wish they would make them for the 2×00/3000 machines! Betty
#58157From: Allan TreadwellMay 26, 1992 1:42 PM
Betty, The prices I quoted come for a large retailer over here so I presume they are available. I've heard no news on the 2000/3000 front. There is a rumour over here that the A500 is no longer being produced now the A600 is available. Cheers Allan from the UK – via Whap!
#58228From: Betty Clay/SYSOPMay 27, 1992 11:10 AM
I was told at the show that they would be available for sale most any day, and the show was over a week ago. I did hear a rumor ( and it was a rather vague rumor, at that) that there were plans to make CDTV work with all Amigas, and if that is true, then the CD-ROM will have to be made available to the other machines, I think. Betty
#58262From: Allan TreadwellMay 27, 1992 4:47 PM
Yes I agree especially if they are phasing out the A500. I going to check this weekend about the availability of the A570. Allan from the UK – via Whap!
#58171From: Vic WagnerMay 26, 1992 4:26 PM
Allan, Are you SURE they're compatible with the A600?? Where do they plug in?
#58173From: Allan TreadwellMay 26, 1992 5:54 PM
Vic, No I am not sure if they are compatible but one supplier is advertising the A670 for the A600 and the A570 for the A500. As the A600 hasn't got an expansion port I don't know where it will plug in. Perhaps it's a case of a supplier second guessing C= – it happens sometimes in the UK. Allan from the UK – via Whap!
#58177From: Denny Atkin [COMPUTE/AmiMay 26, 1992 6:02 PM
Allan, Is the A570 actually shipping? And this is the first I've heard of an A670; does it plug into the PCMCIA slot? '
#58261From: Allan TreadwellMay 27, 1992 4:47 PM
Denny, It is being advertised but wether it's available I'm not sure. I will check availability at the weekend. I will also check about the A670. Allan from the UK – via Whap!
#58076From: Jonathan HirschmanMay 25, 1992 4:32 PM
Betty, Is this just a standard CD-ROM drive, or does it do CDTV emulation as well? Jonathan – via Whap!
#58123From: Betty Clay/SYSOPMay 26, 1992 12:52 AM
Jonathan, I'm not sure. I suspect Allan could tell us more about it than I can remember. It was my impression that it could do CDTV, but I could very easily be wrong. Betty
#58158From: Allan TreadwellMay 26, 1992 1:43 PM
Jonathan, Yes it is the same drive as the CDTV. It just plugs in the expansion port on the A500. No pass through so if you've got a hard drive which uses the expansion port you can't have the two together. Allan from the UK – via Whap!
#58120From: John GagerMay 26, 1992 12:07 AM
>Commodore showed their CD-Rom drive at the AmigaShopper Show in London a >week or so ago. The drives are supposed to be released for sale there by >now, but I was not given the price. I suspect they will be released here >by fall, if not sooner. Thats the version for the 500's, right? That's great except CBM is still taking their sweet time in coming out with a 2000/3000 version. You would think they would support their upper level machines first, but I guess thats Commodore. John – K7KB (via Whap!)
#57879From: jack velteMay 23, 1992 9:46 AM
Another CDROM you might consider for your new cdrom drive is Walnut Creek's ab20 cdrom. It's a collection of some 250 meg of source and executables from the internet. -jack
#57883From: Mike SchillerMay 23, 1992 10:28 AM
Jack: Where does one get the ab20 cd-rom? Who is Walnut Creek? -Mike Schiller In sunny Fort Lauderdale
#57916From: jack velteMay 23, 1992 6:56 PM
I work for Walnut Creek CDROM. Here is the address and a longer description of the CD: Thanks for your interest. Jack Velte Walnut Creek CDROM 1547 Palos Verdes Mall Suite 260 Walnut Creek, CA 94596 +1 800 786-9907 +1 510 947-5996 +1 510 947-1644 FAX 72147,3425 CIS AB20 Amiga CDROM $24.95 This disc contains the entire Amiga Internet Archive from ab20.larc.nasa.gov. There is more than 300 megs of software, over three thousand files. Hundreds of applications, including GNU utilities, editors, hypertext, plotter utilities, modem and communication programs. There are demos of commercial programs, video games, strategy games, card games, and word games. There are many graphical images, animations, and programs to view them. There are many documents on Amiga hardware, a huge selection of sound files, and utilities to play them, including Noisetraker and MED modules. The Amiga implementation of the TeX typesetting program, with MetaFONT and dvi filters, is included. The disc contains all of the Usenet archives comp.sources.amiga and comp.binaries.amiga. This includes thousands of source code files that are an invaluable resource for any progammer. The AB20 Amiga CDROM was made in May 1992
#57978From: Marlene Zenker/SYSOPMay 24, 1992 8:36 AM
Did you folks take a snapshot of the /incoming/amiga directory from ab20 too? Steve
#57998From: jack velteMay 24, 1992 5:27 PM
We didn't know what the files were in the incoming directory so we didn't copy those to disc. We didn't want to take the chance of virus'es. Whatever had been moved into catagories by May was included; /incoming was not. -jack
#58021From: Marlene Zenker/SYSOPMay 24, 1992 8:54 PM
Actually, as far as I know, none of the software on AB20 was checked for viruses. I might be wrong about that, but I do remember a thread where the "keeper" of that site didn't want to take any responsibility of checking for viruses, or completeness of the programs. The /incoming directory might have been copied to one of the "mirror" sites on the Internet. It's got a TON of programs, MOD files, and what-not. It might be worth your while to check into it. It would add a sizeable chunk to you ROM. Steve
#58039From: jack velteMay 24, 1992 11:55 PM
When we built the ab20 CD, we deliberately removed the /incoming directory. That directory wasn't classified at all, and we didn't want to have a random pile of stuff on the cd. Sorry…. You are right about the ab20 site not being checked for virus's. A good 40 meg of the ab20 disc is source code from the source newsgroup archives, so there aren't any virus's in there. Also, wouldn't the user community have reported any virus's in the archive site's file? Are virus's a problem in the Amiga world? -jack
#58113From: John GagerMay 25, 1992 11:49 PM
Jack: Thanks bunch for the info on the AB20 CD-Rom. I'll be sending out a check this week!! Sounds like a pretty nice collection of programs, source, and other goodies. John – K7KB (via Whap!)
#57958From: Jonathan HirschmanMay 24, 1992 1:31 AM
Jack, "Its a collection of some 250 meg of source and executables from the internet…" But of what? Jonathan – via Whap!
#57918From: Carl HansenMay 23, 1992 8:17 PM
Jonathan- Do you know if the CD-ROM drives advertised in DAK's catalog ($199 and $350) work with the Xetec drivers. These are great prices and I sure would love to have a CD-ROM! Carl
#57942From: David ArtMay 23, 1992 11:41 PM
Carl, I know that at least one of the CD-ROM drives that DAK (used to?) sell was not standard SCSI. It could only be used with it's own supplied interface on a PC. (I believe that the cable pinout wasn't standard SCSI, and was also proprietary.) It's a good question to ask. I believe that DAK does sell some drives that are standard SCSI – best to call and ask them directly. David PS – if you do, please let us know what you find out.
#58133From: Carl HansenMay 26, 1992 7:27 AM
David, Thanks for the response. If I get time I will call. What are the questions I should ask other than if it has a standard SCSI out? Carl
#58581From: David ArtMay 31, 1992 12:32 AM
Carl, You might ask them what cables, if any, come with the drive. And, you should ask them whether the drive, if standard SCSI, has a 25-pin or 50-pin connector. I believe that the ones I saw on their shelf a couple of months ago were internal NEC drives, but I'm not certain. Try to get a return privilage, just in case. David
#58238From: BILL LEACHMay 27, 1992 1:22 PM
Carl; I don't know about the others, but DAK's Sony drive was not SCSI. -bill
#57959From: Jonathan HirschmanMay 24, 1992 1:31 AM
Carl, I don't think that the DAK ROM's will work with the Xetec, since I don't believe that they are SCSI. I think that they are IBM only, using a dedicated controller. I also here that they are *VERY* slow unit as well. Jonathan – via Whap!
#57995From: Denny Atkin [COMPUTE/AmiMay 24, 1992 3:50 PM
The $199 DAK CD_ROM is very slow and not SCSI. However, they have had in stock (not sure if they still do) a SCSI model that's only about $230. It's not in the catalog, but you can call and get info about it.
#58020From: Marlene Zenker/SYSOPMay 24, 1992 8:54 PM
Denny, Have you used or seen the $230 SCSI CD-ROM drive? What's it like? That's one heck kS\Pgood price. Steve
#58134From: Carl HansenMay 26, 1992 7:31 AM
Jonathan, I don't have the new catalog here at work but I thought they were SCSI. I say now that I wouldn't mind if it was slow – BUT once I started using it I am sure I would get frustrated. We have the just released "professional" version of CD-I here at the office. It has a 3.5 floppy drive and accepts our Kodak CD. I just wish C= was coming out with a CD drive for my 3000. Carl
#58275From: Jonathan HirschmanMay 27, 1992 9:00 PM
Carl, I would think that a bargain SCSI drive would be a good "fix" while you wait for the CBM drive…that's my philosophy right now. What are you guys doing with the "Pro" CD-I unit, anyway? Jonathan – via Whap!
#58307From: Carl HansenMay 28, 1992 7:18 AM
Jonathan- We have the CD-I unit for experimental purposes. Here at the Smithsonian we are working on electronic imaging, doing some real interesting things I might add. We have been cataloging images to laser disks for some years now but are now in the process of exploring the capabilities of CD-ROM for storage and distribution on photographs and art. Apple is working with us and I am personally trying to get Commodore and AMIGA developers involved also – without much luck I might add. The future of photography is electronic and every photographer will have an "electronic darkroom" on his desk within the next couple of years. Already most major newspapers are going that way. So CD-I is being explored along with the Apple CD format, and Kodak's format Carl
#58311From: Black Belt SystemsMay 28, 1992 8:49 AM
What kind of "involvment" are you looking for, Carl? My company has the most advanced image manipulation/processing software available for the Amiga at this time – by far – it could easily be characterized as a "darkroom on a desk". If you need specific types of capabilities that are not already in our software, just tell us – we take suggestions all the time from our customers. We already have a fair amount of color correction capabilities for old photos, and are adding a VERY powerful new correction facility in the next release. There's nothing on the Mac that has comparable image manipulation power, either… Photoshop doesn't even come close, for instance. –Ben
#58399From: Chris ScheersMay 29, 1992 1:28 AM
I don't know whether or not you would be interested, but a spin off from Merit Software is working on a CDTV development system aimed at generating an interactive system that could be used to access photographs, art, sound, etc. In fact, one part of their demo disk is an interactive walk through of the Kimball Art Museum in Ft. Worth. The main developer is Scott Lamb. If you are interested, I can get his phone number and more information for you.
#58405From: Carl HansenMay 29, 1992 6:25 AM
Yes I am interested. I would appreciate it if you could provide me with Scott's address or phone. It will, however, be a couple of weeks before I can do much about a follow up since I fly to Nicaragua tomorrow for two weeks work. If you are in personal contact with him you might pass on my phone number (202) 633-9116. I will be back in D.C. on the 15th of June. My mailing address is Carl C. Hansen, Smithsonian Institution, Museum of Natural History, Photo Services RM 375 MRC110, Washington, D.C. 20560. Thanks for the information. I have personally done one interactive program using digitized calls of tropical frogs and their pictures along with sonograms as a teaching tool for scientists and students to learn more about the different calls and the frogs that make them. If I had had time I also would have made one that was an interactive tour through our tropical research center in Panama.
#58522From: Jonathan HirschmanMay 30, 1992 12:09 PM
It figures that Commodore would drop the ball on some free exposure…imagine if you would…"The Smithsonian picked the Amiga. Shouldn't you?"
#58409From: Malcolm O'BrienMay 29, 1992 7:50 AM
Hope I don't seem too dumb here but even if one got a bargain SCSI drive, wouldn't one also need some software, driver or something?
#58433From: Vic WagnerMay 29, 1992 3:46 PM
Yes, one would, but there CDROMFS is readily available.
#58523From: Jonathan HirschmanMay 30, 1992 12:09 PM
I would have to suggest the Xetec CDROM file system software. It works quite nicely, first of all. It is incredibly easy to install, and very quick to install to. It comes with an Audio player utility, it comes with CDTV emulation utilities, and it comes with two CD-ROMs to play with that are the equivalent of Fish disks 1-470. It works with what appear to be ALL of the major drives and controllers…I can tell you if yours is on the list, if you want. Best of all: it's only $50, and that includes second day shipping. The folks at Xetec really value their customers; I got a call back after ordering to confirm my order (they thought they *MIGHT* had made a mistake…but they had the order correctly. A toll call for a $50 order…amazing). All in all, the purchase from Xetec was one of the best I made for my machine in a while. I would also suggest ordering directly from them (I don't even know if their software is available from mailorder companies) so that they get all the profit, and you get the latest update.
#58657From: Malcolm O'BrienMay 31, 1992 4:51 PM
Jonathan, Thanks for the info. I hadn't realized that Xetec sold that stuff WITHOUT a CD-ROM drive! ("Excuse me, I just got back from Mars." <g>) I don't have a drive but might be able to snag one at the office. I would have to order directly cause here in Toronto, nobody's carrying it and we don't have any mail order. Malcolm
#58665From: Jonathan HirschmanMay 31, 1992 8:06 PM
Malcolm… Go for it! I was just enjoying the multitasking of my Amiga: playing a Public Enemy CD on the Toshiba, while doing some modeling in Draw4DPro. Yep, I love this machine… Jonathan – via Whap!
#58686From: Timothy P TrompeterMay 31, 1992 10:11 PM
Jonathan, Did your Xetec CDROM file system software come with a registration card? I purchased the software/discs only, since I had been able to pick up a Toshiba XM-3201B drive (that works great, i might add!) for $200. But when I got the CDx-650 disk and the CDROM Fish and More discs, there was no registration card. Since I ordered directly from them, I assume that I'm somehow registered, but I'd be happier to hear that you didn't need to send in a registration card. Methinks the registration card might only apply to the Xetec CDROM drive itself. .. Tim Trompeter…
#58763From: Mark SterlingJun 1, 1992 7:53 PM
Xetec only puts registration cards in software sold through dealers or distributors. When they sell direct you are in their database and your disk has a serial number. The installation program will display your registration number. I know this because I bought two copies, one of which was for my credit cardless friend, and had to call to get the second copy registered properly. If you call their BBS you will be given access to updates to the software for just the cost of the call. ….Mark Sterling 74335,1677
#58834From: Jonathan HirschmanJun 2, 1992 2:02 PM
Tim, I'll check out the registration card thing tonight, and let you know. Jonathan
#58906From: Jonathan HirschmanJun 3, 1992 12:57 AM
Timothy, I think that you already have your answer…there was no registration card in my package. Jonathan – via Whap!