#AmiTCP/Envoy/ArcNet
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'After approx. 70-100MB (going to DAT), the local system locks up.'
Chris:
PMFJI, but I'd like to offer my sympathies. I'm having the same problem
with a similar setup.
Here's hoping we can weasel a bug fix out of IAM. (I know, I know….they
don't have the source code, just binaries…oh well.)
Erik Flom
"PMFJI, but I'd like to offer my sympathies. I'm having the same problem
with a similar setup."
Thanks. You wouldn't happen to be running OS 2.04 on one/both systems,
would you?
-Chris
No, I'm running 2.1 on my A3000, and 3.0 on my 4000. I've got them
ArcNet'ed together using C= 2060 cards, just like you though.
While trying to copy several hundred MB of data from my PAR drive on the
3000 to a 1GB SCSI drive on my 4000, it would lock up randomly after
50-100MB of data. I've noticed the same problem when trying to back up to
the DAT drive on the 4000.
Good Luck!
Erik Flom
"While trying to copy several hundred MB of data from my PAR drive on the
3000 to a 1GB SCSI drive on my 4000, it would lock up randomly after
50-100MB of data. I've noticed the same problem when trying to back up to
the DAT drive on the 4000."
This sounds identical to my ARCnet's behavior, although I haven't noticed
it happening under 60MB. You read many megabytes of data from the remote
machine and then the reading machine locks up (well, Workbench does, but
Intuition is still working because I can move windows around).
It's not related to DAT or Amiback. Sitting at my A3000, I copied the
Toaster drawer (over 100MB) from my A4000 to my A3000's HD via Workbench.
The 3000 froze after about 70MB. I tried booting with a plain Workbench
floppy with Envoy installed, but still the same thing. I even tried
re-installing my 2.04 kickstart file on the 3000 (it's an old ROM-less
one).
"What ended up being said in CMail about your FS version?"
They're OK. I have filesystem 39.27 on the 4000 and fs 37.26 on the 3000.
Do you have any partitions in international mode?
-Chris
Hmmmm, kind of interesting. You say you have problems with the client
machine locking up….Twice today, I had the server (A4000) lock up on me
while I was exporting a series of images from the PAR DDR device. The
client (my A3000) just times out on the connection to the network, so
there's no problem on that end. The 4000, on the other hand, seems to
completely lock-up (ie: the WB isn't refreshed after dragging windows
around, Shell windows & all other apps lock-up, etc.)
In my configuration, I've got the 4000 exporting 1 drawer and 1 drive. The
3000 is acting as a rendering station & digital disk recorder, so it only
exports the PAR's DDR drive. Scenes are loaded onto the 3000 from the
imported drawer (3D:), and saved out to an imported 1GB drive (DDH0:).
I've had the 3000 lockup while saving RGB images from LW, and had the 4000
lockup while the PAR was saving data to it over the net.
As for the DAT drive, I use it on the 4000, and it routinely locked-up
after transferring relatively small amounts of data (70-100MB) from the
PAR's DDR device over the net. (Finally, after trying for 2 days, I moved
the PAR card over to the 4000, backed it up, and then re-installed it in
the 3000….Boy, I'm looking forward to having to re-install all that
stuff next week! [I'm going to _have_ to..] :^)
As for FileSystem versions, my numbers match yours, and I'm NOT running
any int'l partitions. Oh well, one of these days we'll isolate the
problem!
Good Luck!
Erik Flom
Erik,
I managed to get AMITCP with NetFS running to try as an alternative. I'm
way past the 120MB mark now and still no problems. If you want to set it
up, here is what you need: AMITCP.LHA (version 2.2), TCP23.LHA, NETFS.LHA.
I don't remember whether they're in AmigaUser or AmigaTech.
Install AMITCP, then install the TCP23 update over it per instructions.
To install AMITCP, you have to work around a couple bugs in their
installer (isn't this _fun_?). First, do _not_ install it from RAM: or
another dir into your destination dir; Make your AMITCP drawer where you
want then de-arc AMITCP into that dir; Give the installer that dir to
install to (install over itself). This avoids having missing subdirs which
AMITCP install forgot to copy. Before you run install, ASSIGN AMITCP: to
your drawer (install expects it to be assigned, even if you've never
installed a previous version before). Now you can "safely" run install. If
you have problems getting it to work, just let me know.
Basic transfer speed is about the same as Envoy, but "random access" type
operations like dir scans are much slower. I don't know if ths is the
fault of AmiTCP or NetFS.
-Chris
Hmmmm…AmiTCP is an interesting option. I was thinking of trying to tie
my PC into the ArcNet, and I was going to go with some sort of TCP/IP
interface for that.
Sounds like there's no better time than the present to dive into the
wonderful world of TCP. (My networking needs are pretty basic, and this
might be all that's required.)
Thanks for the info on setting it up. I've saved it off, and will refer to
it once I DL the files.
Keep On Toastin'
Erik Flom
Erik:
Do you already have PC TCP/IP software? If not, before you spend somewhere
around $500.00 or so that most of the commerical packages sell for you
should look into one of the shareware implementations. I use a package
called QVTNET that uses a packet driver to talk to the network card. I
know that there are packet drivers available for Arcnet cards as well. I
have my PC & Amiga networked together using TCP/IP, (with ethernet cards)
and while I don't have NFS (the ability to mount remote disks, and use
them as if they were local ones) I'm able to transfer files back & forth
using FTP, and there's even a version of FTP that basically looks like a
fileutil ( Remote system on one side, local PC on the other, select files
to be transfered, method of transfer (binary or ascii), and click on the
direction arrow, and the transfer happens.
Another option open to you if you have available serial ports on both
machines would be to setup either a SLIP or PPP serial link between them,
you'd still need AmiTCP & the PC TCP/IP software, and it might be a hair
slower, however PC's aren't speed demons when running TCP/IP (the Amiga is
faster than any of the shareware TCP/IP packages I've tried on the PC), so
the speed difference might not be all that bad, and you'd save the expense
of getting a PC Arcnet card.
// -Mike Schiller
\X/ AMIGA! On AutoPilot in sunny Fort Lauderdale
IBM TCP/IP under OS/2 is nice and fast.
Dale L. Larson Intangible Assets Manufacturing (info@iam.com)
"That's the best part about being crazy. You see things no one else can see."
Mike:
Thanks much for the info on TCP/IP for the PC! I was going to look for a
shareware package before I bought anything on the PC side, and this QVTNET
sound like it gives me all I need for now (simple file transfers, little
more). Is QVTNET in one of the PC fora? And what about this
'user-friendly' FTP program you were mentioning? :^)
I'll probably pass on the SLIP connection, since both ports on the PC are
already tied up. Another benefit of the ArcNet connection is that I'd only
have to run one coax cable which is probably more robust than a std serial
cable. (ie: less susceptible to getting crimped in one of the doorjambs.
:^)
Thanks again!
Erik Flom
NcFTP is a fairly friendly FTP. It's been ported to the Amiga as well.
Dale L. Larson Intangible Assets Manufacturing (info@iam.com)
"That's the best part about being crazy. You see things no one else can see."
Erik:
Both QVTNET and WS-FTP are available in the PC libs here on CIS. I don't
remember which one, so if you go to the IBM filefinder and search either
under TCP/IP or WINSOCK you should be able to find them both, along with
the Winsock program (actually there are a couple of different
implemtations of winsock there).
// -Mike Schiller
\X/ AMIGA! On AutoPilot in sunny Fort Lauderdale
"WINSOCK"….?
I'll be searching for the other stuff here…maybe today.
Thanks!
Erik Flom
WINSOCK is the standard API for TCP/IP under Windows. It's like Berkeley
sockets is to many Unices or socket.library is to the Amiga.
Dale L. Larson Intangible Assets Manufacturing (info@iam.com)
"That's the best part about being crazy. You see things no one else can see."
Dale:
Are you familiar with Winsock? I'm just curious because I have 3 different
versions of Winsock, one from FTP software that I havn't tried yet,
Trumpet Winsock which I was using until fairlly reciently, and one I
downloaded about a month ago from a company called Core Systems. Do you
know if one of these is better than another, and which one would you
recomend? Thanks.
// -Mike Schiller
\X/ AMIGA! On AutoPilot in sunny Fort Lauderdale
I played with Winsock just about as long as I played with Windows 3.x.
OS/2 and I get along much better.
From what I remember of what I've read, the FTP winsock is probably the
best of those three, but I'd take that with several grains of salt.
Dale L. Larson Intangible Assets Manufacturing (info@iam.com)
"That's the best part about being crazy. You see things no one else can see."
Eric,
We use FTP's PCTCP as our TCP/IP on the PC package. We're very happy
with it.
Don