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#Spreadsheet????

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#128541From: Richard GraffJan 18, 1994 12:47 PM
I'd like to know the type of program needed (I assume a spreadsheet?) and specific recommendations for the following application: I have certain customers in which I prepare 6 month quotes for specific products. These quotes must be submitted to my home office for review and authorization on a standardized 7 part form that our company uses. I may have to do anywhere from 3-7 quotes averaging 7 pages each per month depending on who's quotes are due for review, consequently I have been developing a serious case of writers cramp <G>. Since much of the information except for dates and specific pricing stays the same, I would like to do this in my computer and then use a printer to print on the company "quotation" forms. This program would need to be able to create a template so that information was printed in the appropriate place as per the design of the form. It would aslo have to be able to print "side ways" since the forms are in landscape form. I have tried running them that way thru a printer and because they are 7 part forms they don't run thru that way very well. I have thought about using a wordprocessor or DTP program, however, I was thinking that something like a spread sheet would give me more control for applying increases/decreases to specific products, and possibly other functions I'm not aware of. Any suggestions?? =Rick=
#128571From: Dale LarsonJan 18, 1994 4:44 PM
7-part forms don't run well (or at all!) through any standard computer printer. You'll have to purchase a printer which is designed to handle forms like that. Most Amiga word processors are capable of both landscape and portrait mode printing — you don't have to feed the form in sideways. Depending on what the calculations are that you need, WordPerfect might handle them fine, or even FinalWriter (which has a semi-automatic column summing feature). Otherwise, yes, you want a spreadsheet program. Available Amiga spreadsheets tend to suck. — Dale L. Larson, Intangible Assets Manufacturing — INTERNET:dale@iam.com
#128582From: Richard GraffJan 18, 1994 6:11 PM
I have FinalWriter, I'll have to look at it more closely to see what calculations it can handle. Typically I'll want to add/delete fields and increase catagories of fields by either specific amounts or percentages. I won't need to sum amounts (not for these quotes at least). Since I haven't worked with a spreadsheet before, maybe I won't notice that the amiga ones "tend to suck" <G>. Actually, I here Khalid is working on one that he says is as good if not better than the best DOS spreadsheets, unfortunately, he doesn't seem to get around to making it available. =Rick=
#128590From: Dale LarsonJan 18, 1994 7:31 PM
FW will only do sums of columns. If you are going to increase "catagories of fields," you are probably out of luck with anything but a database or spreadshee (a database program with a good report generator might have the flexibility you need). As for the spreadsheets, I said that the *available* Amiga ones tend to suck. I can't say anything about any unreleased products anyone may be working on… — Dale L. Larson, Intangible Assets Manufacturing — INTERNET:dale@iam.com
#128638From: BILL LEACHJan 19, 1994 9:16 AM
Rick; It sounds like WordPerfect for the Amiga would do what you want to accomplish (if you can find it anywhere). The Shareware(FreeWare?) Analyticalc would also handle the task. This program is available on the Fish disks. It is a little different than most other spreadsheet program but if you are going to be writing your own anyway… -bill
#128640From: Roy PahnkeJan 19, 1994 9:26 AM
Richard – The problem here with using a spreadsheet, is you are going to have one heck of a time getting the data on the screen lined up with the form that you need. Spreadsheets tend to want to take whats on the screen and allow you to fit that stuff onto either a single sheet of paper or multiple pages (inotherwords – it is usually very good a compressing or expanding print to fit the page). It is not very good at putting pieces of data at specific point on a page. A wordprocessor is probably your best bet. But you are going to have to create the exact form on the screen. (Don't worry about the math, use a calculator for that). Also like Dale said, getting a printer to go thru a 7 part form is also a stopper. It's going to have to be dot matrix and I'm not sure that WP's will print landscape to a dot matrix printer, so if your form is wide then you'll have to get one that fits the width. I short Richard, I not real positive that this project is going to work to computerize. Even and MsDos base system would have trouble with this. OnLine since 1982 Roy Pahnke – Casper WY
#128867From: forrest sweasyJan 21, 1994 4:26 AM
I won't add too much here as other folks have hit most of the points. But you may want to look at a database with a good report generator. About the only Amiga one I know of is SuperBase. I use SuperBase Personal, which lacks the full fledged report generator, but from what I've gathered from these posts, a well designed database application would make your life much easier. Ahhh.. for something like Paradox or even the dreaded Dbase for the Amiga…… From the Far East… Forrest
#128995From: Roy PahnkeJan 22, 1994 3:31 AM
Forrest – I think you wanted to send this message to the other guy who was asking about Spreadsheets. I'm fully aware of SBase and it's uses. OnLine since 1982 Roy Pahnke – Casper WY
#129066From: Wayne ColeJan 22, 1994 9:36 PM
… and its 'tech support'… ;^} wmc – via Autopilot!
#129047From: Bill RobertsJan 22, 1994 7:21 PM
>> Ahhh.. for something like Paradox or even the dreaded Dbase for the >> Amiga…… We have debase on the computers as work. To the best of my knowledge, no one uses it. When I need data base processing for something at work, I transfer the files to a floppy, and bring it home to process in Superbase. I have been trying to convince them to get Superbase for our systems at work. Bill Roberts — Autopilot from Ellettsville, Indiana
#129063From: Chris LesterJan 22, 1994 9:07 PM
Yea… wasn't there a DBMan program which compiled DBase 3 to the Amiga? Is SuperBase worth having? I'd kind of like to have a DBase since I plan on owning a fully functional Ami system (finally). What are the major differences between personal and pro?
#128661From: Michael McCormickJan 19, 1994 2:13 PM
I can say with certainty that Khalid is working on his spreadsheet program and it will be released. It seems like its taking forever to be released but please remember he is coding this program in in spare time and has a business(s) to run. The wait is WELL worth it. Heck he already has a list of things for release 2 of the program that he wanted to include in the current version but ran out of time.
#128765From: Paul IdolJan 20, 1994 11:07 AM
Michael- Khalid as in Khalid of Warp board fame? Does he somehow live through 40 hours every day? What's happening with the warp board? Paul
#128984From: Michael McCormickJan 22, 1994 2:05 AM
Yes that Khalid. Yes he does manage to keep a busy work schedule…. Tho he keeps telling me that computers are not work. As to the Warp… board, I really can't comment on it.
#128820From: Jim SakladJan 20, 1994 10:32 PM
Richard – > Actually, I here Khalid is working on one that he says is as good if > not better than the best DOS spreadsheets, unfortunately, he doesn't > seem to get around to making it available. I suspect he's very busy with Warp implementation….. **SIGH** . . . . JimDoc, on AutoPilot
#128966From: Steve AhlstromJan 21, 1994 10:48 PM
Why don't you ask him? His user id is 75166,2531. Last I spoke with him (2 weeks or so ago) he said he was turning over his spreadsheet to the publisher in 2 weeks (so, about now).
#129143From: Brian BartlettJan 23, 1994 3:38 PM
Jim, methinks you underestimate the gentleman in question. Insight has a rather long history, existing long before WARP was a flash on horizon. Looking at the product, I think it's ready for publication. Brian bjbart@watserv.ucr.edu
#128890From: Luke P. ImmesJan 21, 1994 9:25 AM
Using AREXX, procalc(spreadsheet), excellence! or finalwriter(wordprocessers), and SBase(Database) you can accomplish what you need– although you need to know the AREXX itself, and the AREXX interfaces to each of the above products. In effect you multi-task each product above using AREXX as a main driver. The spreadsheet would be used for numeric inputs; the DB for storing records; the wordprocessor for writing automated reports (with page breaks, headers etc.). In addition you can get Wshell which will make AREXX development easier– it also supplies pulldown menus assoc. with user defined console windows. I have written such applications: 1) debt collection agency– client/debtor report takes information from sbase and procalc –> reports; 2) attendence register for school– spreadsheet info, calculations–> reports, then spreadsheet is updated. User commands invoked by wbench menus via Wshell. Platform applications were written on: A3000 and A4000. Perhaps I could write the application for you– then download results so that you can see if this meets your customers' needs. Please let me know.
#128933From: Richard GraffJan 21, 1994 7:30 PM
Luke, I do have Finalwriter, SBase Pro and Arexx on my A1200, I do not have a Spreadsheet at the moment. My knowledge of Arexx is very basic at the moment, when I have time I try to learn a little bit more about it, but since I have never programmed any computer language before and it is very slow going <G>. Although I would love to have an application that helps me organize and perform many of my tasks in an interactive way, its probably a bit more than my meager programing skills could handle at this time. The idea of having someone such as yourself write the application is attractive, however I know that my company would NOT finance it, and I'm not sure the cost ratio vs. my salary would be worth it, what kind of cost would we be talking about anyway (per hour and estimated hours????) The applications I use are Pagestream and Finalwriter for creating Newsletter, Flyers, Proposals and correspondance with clients and individuals in the company I work for. I have created a customer database with SBase that gives me basic statistics for generating mailing lists & labels. I'd love to incorporate long term quotes and our price lists into the database, I create the long term quotes, but the price lists are created by the headquarters, they are changed every year or so, however i think they use Lotus 123, so maybe i could get the datafile that way. The other information I would like to be able to use for anylising my customer base are the actual order database, however the only way I could program that in is to manually enter the information each month from a report I get, it is about 15 pages long and includes more line Items than I care to count. I have no hope of getting this information any other way since the factory uses a severly taxed main frame that needs to be scrapped and a new system and software installed. We can't even install an e-mail system, something I've advocated for years. However, we are modernizing and improving our manufacturing lines and capital improvements are spent in that area for the time being, but some day they will have to look at the computer system, or it will not be able to handle the volume of business we do. Well I'm rambling, sorry <G> =Rick=
#128912From: Michael BarkerJan 21, 1994 3:18 PM
Sounds like you need a database with a forms designer. That would either be superbase personal 4 or superbase pro 4. There is a learning curve that goes with these things, so you might want to look at some of those packages like "Invoice It". Maybe it could be adapted to that purpose. BTW, what's your setup.
#128934From: Richard GraffJan 21, 1994 7:31 PM
Thanks, I have SBase Pro, I'll look more closely at that. My setup hardware wise is an A1200 '030 w/FPU, 8megs fast ram, 1960 monitor, laser printer, flatbed scanner, 85meg IDE drive and 240meg SCSI drive. My next add on in the very near future will be a scsi tape backup drive, then either a color printer and/or CDRom drive as I can afford it. =Rick=
#128998From: Lu BeranekJan 22, 1994 6:19 AM
My first inclination would have been to scan your forms and overlay your responses using PageStream. MaxiPlan can pick up your 123 files if you have them on disk but I don't know if it will deal with your other forms, I only use it for relatively straightforward things. Order Desk from Gramma may help with your customer database. regards, Lu on AutoPilot downunder