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#AMaxIV & WB 3.1

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#163079From: Norman HamerSep 8, 1994 11:51 PM
I think I am going to have to get an HD floppy as I have heard that AMax IV gives random results with the low density drives. It seems like Catch-22 if you don't have an HD floppy: you can't load System 7.1 until you put in AMax IV but after you have AMax IV in then you can't use the System 6.0.x. You are right it seems like one purchase after another. I hope it is not that WB 3.1 is giving problems. However, others on this forum have been running AMax IV with WB 3.1. I hope that the HD floppy will solve my problems as I hate pumping in more money with no real results. As I skipped WB2.1 (couldn't get it at the time), I can't say what the differences are between 2.1 and 3.1. Once I have any success with AMax IV , I will put out a message. Regards, Norm
#163169From: Peter JonesSep 9, 1994 4:51 PM
Norm, I am running 3.1 and AmaxIV and I cannot read mac 800K floppes… period! To be fair, however, I seem to remember HD Macs were also finnicky with 800K disks. Pete Jones, flying on AutoPilot from Brussels, Belgium
#163538From: Brian LoweSep 12, 1994 8:16 AM
Hi, Peter, >> I am running 3.1 and AmaxIV and I cannot read mac 800K floppes… period! << I have this same problem with Amax IV and feel that ReadySoft is guilty of false advertising when they say it will work. They should provide a solution to their customers, but I suspect that they didn't sell very many Amax IV's and don't think it is worth the effort. (See my response to Norman Hamer regarding the Utilities Unlimited "Amia" and Mac 800K floppies in this thread.) Brian
#163572From: Peter JonesSep 12, 1994 3:01 PM
Brian, To be fair, I did also say (in another message, I think) that I remember some of the genuine MAC models were also very finnicky with 800K disks. I see it as a fairly minor annoyance, since everything for the Mac seems to come on 1.4. Pete
#163555From: Norman HamerSep 12, 1994 1:13 PM
Peter: I run HD Macs at work all the time and have never had an problems with 800K disks on the HD floppies. It is probably a problem that Readysoft hasn't come to grips with. I also can't read the low density disk on the normal Amiga drives….why is it that all of a sudden in going from II+ to IV the normal Amiga drive proves useless. It would be interesting if a Readysoft person would come on this Forum and tell us what is happening. If I can't get AMax IV running when I get a new HD floppy, I will be calling Readysoft and will try to get more information from them. I will post whatever happens. Tot siens, Norm
#163573From: Peter JonesSep 12, 1994 3:02 PM
Norm, The Mac models I was referring to were the early ones after they had got away from the classic monitor/computer in one box. I can't remember the model numbers, but think there was an 'x' involved. "tot siens"? Is that family knowledge, or time spent over here? Pete Jones, flying on AutoPilot from Brussels, Belgium
#163846From: Norman HamerSep 14, 1994 9:49 AM
Peter: "Tot siens" is 18 months at the University of Leiden nearly 25 years ago. Learning Dutch was very difficult because most of the people wanted to practice their English. In fact, the Dutch are crazy about languages, so it was very difficult to find people to practice Dutch with. Now that I am living in New Mexico I am determined to learn Spanish. It's difficult here becuase the locals do not speak a quality form. First, it's an old Spanish form which has been changed by Americanisms. Most of the Hispanic people have no formal education in Spanish (education in Spanish is looked down on in this region, even by some of the Hispanics) so their knowledge is confined to an every day chit-chat form. However, I am studying it in the university here and I plan to make trips into Mexico and Chile within the next year or two. Americans are very bad about wanting to learn languages. I think this is too bad because learning another language opens up other cultures and ways of thinking to the person learning the language (let alone learning the language). My desire is to learn to think in another language and I won't stop grinding away until I get there with at least one language. What languages are you confident in? Back to the Emulator problems…. did you have trouble getting System 7 onto your harddrive and running? It seems getting it on the machine is a problem even with an HD floppy drive. I still have not receive my HD floppy drive, so I am not even attempting to get System 7 on my harddrive. I have System 6.0.5 on the harddrive and it was working under AMax II+, but AMax IV does go to it or at least it crashes the minute it goes to it. Would you state in some detail how you got your system up and running as you seem to be the only person I know of who has AMax IV and WB 3.1 running together. Regards, Norm
#163894From: Peter JonesSep 14, 1994 4:13 PM
Norm, I am trying to recall how I got Amax-IV up and running. It was around Christmas time and the memory has faded. <g> I was using the system 7 that comes with the mac powerbook, and there were several different options from which to choose. I seem to remember that I started with a minimal sytem and then transferred other stuff across. I am sorry I cannot be more helpful, but at the moment the card is on loan to a dealer friend here in Brussels for demo purposes. When the card comes back in a couple of weeks, I'll boot up and play with it. That should shake the memory up a bit. You are right about Dutch. practice is very difficult when the majority of the population speak English as well as you do. I live in a Dutch-speaking area just outside Brussels and speak it as often as I can. I can hold conversations in the language and read it quite well, but would like to be better. French is my first foreign language, and I do think in it. (and sometimes dream!) I also speak some Italian and am trying to get away on course in Italy that combines learning the language and cooking! Ideal holiday as far as I am concerned. I work for the European Commission where there are ten official and nine working languages (Irish is official, but not used except for treaties and such). This will increase by three in January, when Norway, Sweden, Finland and Austria join the European Union. The effect of this is that I have a nodding acquaintance with all the existing working languages, even Greek. That is to say, I can look at a page of text, identify the language, and usually pick out enough words to get an idea of what it's about. Greek is the exception. I know the alphabet and can sometimes identify a few words. Danish is the next most difficult, but when it comes to the new countries, Finnish is like a linguistic brick wall. Apart from a few loan words, it is opaque. I read that the nouns can have sixteen cases! (and I used to think Latin was excessive with six). I applaud your attitude and share it. Trying to speak another person's language helps the understanding of that person. It is also taken (generally) as a compliment that you are making the effort. (I say generally, since the French-speakers, like anglophones, expect people to speak their language). To end with a cautionary tale. I have an interpreter friend of Italian mother tongue. His English is so good that he not only interprets into Italian from French, Dutch, and English, but also into English from French, Dutch, and Italian. (He is also a well=known shareware author in the MAC world). He just picks up languages, you know? He decided a few years ago to learn Portuguese. At that time I worked in the Interpretation services planning department with, among others, a Portuguese girl. One day she takes a phone call from this interpreter. After a few minutes chat, she suddenly goes into hysterics. Nearly wet herself. It took her minutes to recover. She finally was able to tell us, that Rik, the interpreter, had asked her in what he thought was Portuguese, to ask me whether I had a 12-volt battery. Unfortunately, he didn't actually know the portuguese for battery, so substituted the Italian equivalent, so what he actually said was "ask Peter whether he has a 12-volt penis."!!! Pete
#163962From: Steven D. KapplinSep 14, 1994 11:31 PM
You guys need to read the docs. Amax IV only reads high density disks in a high density drive. It will not read low density Mac disks. However, you can create file images of low density Mac floppies using the Amax IV file transfer utilities. Those images can then be "mounted" using the Amax IV Setup for Devices. The "mounted" file images will show up on the Mac desktop. Amax IV never claimed that it would read low density disks, only that you can access them via the file transfer/mount process. It's all explained in the documentation.
#164319From: Brian LoweSep 17, 1994 9:23 AM
Hi, Steven, >> However, you can create file images of low density Mac floppies using the Amax IV file transfer utilities. << There's the problem! Whatever Readysoft did to try and read LD Mac floppies via the Amiga LD drive DOES NOT WORK ON MY A3000! >> It's all explained in the documentation. << You can't fix a hardware problem with documentation! I spent several weeks reading the documentation over and over looking for some useful information to tell me why the things I did over and over (per the manual) continued to fail. You really get my dander up when you make comments like this. Who are you? Do you have Amax IV up and running and making Mac LD images successfully via the Amiga LD floppy drive? What hardware do you have that does it? Smouldering but not in flames, Brian
#164318From: Brian LoweSep 17, 1994 9:12 AM
Hi again, Norm, >> It would be interesting if a Readysoft person would come on this Forum and tell us what is happening. << I haven't had much luck with communications with Readysoft. It took a week or two for someone to return my phone calls. Brian
#163441From: Barbara KenneySep 11, 1994 8:25 AM
I had a lot of problems installing the system disks with AMax IV. My local dealer, Expert Services, was installing it and I was watching. We (as I recall) tried to do it via the AMax Disk Transfer utility provided with AMax IV and had problems, and then we borrowed a high density disk drive and AGAIN had problems, and then as I recall retried the first way and it worked. I do recall that it took a lot of tries. I now have a Powerbook 520 as well, which can feed into my SCSI port on the Amiga side and become a second hard disk. I suspect that if I set up the AMax to run the powerbook hard disk as the boot disk that I could fairly easily move or copy the system disk to the AMax. If you know anyone with one of these it might be worth a try. But I know that I got 7.1 working but it just took a bit of time and various tries. I have been glad that I got the HD floppy as I use it in a number of ways…works very well with both Amiga and the AMax and since I use the AMax a lot it has been well worth the money, although the Amax Disk transfer utility actually works extremely well…just takes an extra step or two.
#163537From: Brian LoweSep 12, 1994 8:11 AM
Hi, Norm, >> It seems like Catch-22 if you don't have an HD floppy: you can't load System 7.1 until you put in AMax IV but after you have AMax IV in then you can't use the System 6.0.x. << This is very accurate. I had a major headache with Amax II->Amax IV upgrade. I had to get the HD floppy drive (which is worth it, BTW). To read low density Mac floppies I got the Amia interface to the Mac LD drive from the folks who sell the "Emplant" emulator. I have to read the entire floppy into an Amiga "file" then write the file back out as an IBM format HD floppy (which becomes a hybrid format not readable by anything but the Amia), then read this from the Amax Mac OS, which somehow recogzies it as a Mac disk. Unfortunately, some floppies do not translate properly, depending on the number of files on the disk or some such thing (according to Amia tech support). If you or anyone have a better solution PLEASE let me know (aside from saying "get a Mac and put your files onto HD floppies; then I wouldn't need the Amax.) Brian
#163553From: Norman HamerSep 12, 1994 1:13 PM
Brian: Does the Amia interface let you use a Mac LD floppy drive? Who supplies this interface? I'll let you know if I have any success, in any department, if I can get this AMax IV up and running at all. Regards, Norm
#163676From: Jim Drew/UUISep 13, 1994 7:21 AM
AMIA lets you use any real 800K (or SuperDrive) MAC floppy with your Amiga. You can even mount and format the disks as 800K (amiga) format. You can use AMIA with the older AMAX II, but since AMAX IV no longer supports it's own older hardware, AMIA will not help you there. AMIA does allow EMPLANT's MAC emulation to use 800K MAC disks directly.
#164317From: Brian LoweSep 17, 1994 9:10 AM
Hi, Norman, >> Does the Amia interface let you use a Mac LD floppy drive? << Yes. >> Who supplies this interface? << Utilities Unlimited, the company that makes the Emplant (the one I _wish_ I'd bought rather than upgrading my Amax). The Amia is made to work with the Emplant but helps with the Amax. It would only take a software upgrade (I suspect) to allow the Amia to be a transparent interface to the Mac LD floppy drive the way the Amax II was. I hope you're listening, UU! Brian