#IPAS/3DS3
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Where was this thread when I went for broke and bought IPAS package
N0.#1 a month back! Sheesh!
What do you mean? (none of those IPAS routines are included with R3)
– G
I haven't the foggiest idea what you are talking about. This message either was
not intended for me or something got majorly screwed up in the database as I
never said such a thing, for one I do not know anything about R3 to be able to
make such a statement.
Merlin
There must've been some crossed wires here on the forum. Gamma radiation.
– G
Yes, Gamma radiation, it has happened a few times, I even get E-Mail addressed
to me that makes absoloutly no sense to me whatsover, obviously intended for
someone else.
Merlin G. Farmer
>> Where was this thread when I went for broke and bought IPAS package N0.#1 a
month back! Sheesh! <<
Actually Merlin….this thread doesn't exist…it never did….I
didn't say this….I was never here. Murph'
What thread?
Just a thought Merlin, But how close to Green Bay Wisconsin are you
and are you interested in the Sanyo GVR-S950? James M. Murphy
Not too far from Wisconsin actually, and the Sanyo was on my list of VTRs to
check out for purchase, however, I ended up with a SVO9600, due to more
circumstance than anything. I got cought in the middle of the SONY (none in
stock) syndrome as I was trying to buy during the last two weeks of September
and Sony as well as a few independents were claiming to be out of stock so they
could hold out for an extra 10% on Oct 1. Rat-ta-tat-ta-tat. I tried to close
the deal several times only to find out at the last miniute none was in stock.
Two of the dealers are here on the forum. I ended up closing the deal with a
non forum dealer. I think I may have made a mistake as It still took TWO almost
THREE weeks for my stuff to get here and all of it STILL isn't here,
EEEERrrrrrrrrr! Can you beleive it, they sent the bloody deck but not the
blasted RS-422. KABOOM! Well, it looks pretty, and I think it blackstrips
tape okay, but I'll be damned if I know if it works or not, I will be on the
phone Monday raising hell. Not real happy right now. I should have waited and
purchased from one of the forum dealers.
If things end up real screwed up and I have to send this beasty back I may talk
with you about a Sanyo, but I doubt the situation gets must worse, Unsless I
blow it up trying to install the RS-422………..
Merlin G. Farmer
Merlin,
>>> I should have waited and purchased from
one of the forum dealers.<<<
Can we emblazen that on your forehead next SIGGRAPH gettogether? <BG>
The one thing I know for sure as a dealer on this forum…50 AD-DA-Boys still
don't wipe out 1 Oh-Sh__! and that's for sure! <G>
Therefore Dealer Forum Buys tend to be the safest.
I also don't want you or anyone else on the forum to misunderstand what I am
about to say next….as it certainly will be seen as "self serving" and I guess
I can live with that.
However…..I have followed the threads on the Hi8 verses the SVHS decks for
over a year and my impression was that those that used the Hi8 decks used them
primarily for VIDEO aquisition NOT Animation!
I seem to recall several threads where those using the Hi8 units for animation
ended up with a LOT of Drop-outs Etc….
Call me crazy but SVHS still seems like a better way to go than Hi8 FOR
ANIMATION.
I know I'm gonna hear about this, Soooo.. if you look back during the course of
the past year on this forum I'm sure that the truth will bear me out.
AnyONE care to comment on this, please do.
This is all about everyone getting the best possible entry level setup not is
BetaSP better than SVHS. So before you tell me you just stepped out of your
Porsche and now discovered that your Lexus is "unresponsive" consider this is
"Best Entry Level" were talking about.
Thank You.
James M. Murphy
>>Call me crazy but SVHS still seems like a better way to go than Hi8 FOR
ANIMATION.<<
Couldn't agree more. I've seen several animation tapes made on Hi-8, and the
dropout is really bad in spots.
I believe the deck that Merlin purchased is an SVO-9600. This is S-VHS (I've
got one, too. Quite an excellent deck).
Regards,
John Tissavary (La Luna cie)
I am glad to hear you like the deck John, perhaps I will get to say the same in
a few days, (g)
Merlin G. Farmer
>I seem to recall several threads where those using the Hi8 units for
>animation ended up with a LOT of Drop-outs Etc….
I have heard the same but it is usually to using low-grade tape. I am not
a HI8 user but have heard from those who use HI8 that once they changed to
HI-quality tape all their drop-out were eliminated.
<<< Tony D. Tracer >>>
Tony, >>> I am not a HI8 user but have heard from those who use HI8
that once they changed to HI-quality tape all their drop-out were
eliminated.<<< Uh….I don't think a higher grade of tape is gonna
help all that much…you better check you facts on this one
Tony…I'd hate to see somebody be dissapointed because the took this
as gospel. James M. Murphy
>I'd hate to see somebody be dissapointed because the took this as
>gospel.
I didn't intend to be stating `The Ultimate Truth' :^), just making a
suggestion from what I have heard from HI8 users.
Hello James, as a Hi-8 user I gotta agree. Drop-out is a problem even
with the most expensive tape I can buy. If there is anyone out there
who would like to disagree I'd be glad to hear from them, but my
experience has been at best there is more than I would like to see. I
do use it for Animation but primarily as a test device. Once my work
has tested out O.K. I go to laser. Most of my work is broadcast or
broadcast quality and it is a fairly inexpensive way to test, but now
that the Sanyo is out and the DPS system, I don't see a good reason
to go Hi-8. There are other applications where my Hi-8 works fine,
but if your serious about even final industrial application output, I
would go with the Sanyo or better. The DPS is really slick too. -JE
>Drop-out is a problem even with the most expensive tape I can buy.
I have heard people with HI8 either gets great results after getting
High-quality tape and others that continue to have drop-outs as yourself.
I wish I knew the answer.
<<< Tony D. Tracer >>>
Hi Anthony, my experience is that if you're doing acquisition (not
frame by frame) there is very little if any drop-out. Its the
grueling demands of frame by frame that produce the problem. I may be
pickier than some as I am accustom to results like 1" and Beta SP and
Laser Disk, but from a professional standpoint the level of drop-out
is unacceptable. I can't put one 10 second animation to tape without
a least one hit. And don't even think of re-recording over the same
spot. I can usually get away with dropping a frame in. I think it is
safe to say it is a great test medium and very attratively priced, or
was until the DPS system came out and the Sanyo for that matter. I
hoped for more but at $3500 it was a good bargain. And all the low
end recorders have some drawbacks, even the AG-7750. If you want
professional results ya gotta buy a professional deck. With one
caveat, and that is to get an Exabyte and the ASDG Abacus driver.
Then you can get professional results because your final output is
recorded to a professional deck. -JE P.S. If you know of someone who
is particulary happy with a certain tape, I'd be glad to hear from
you and give it a try.
>was until the DPS system came out
Has the DSP PAR system been released?
>If you want professional results ya gotta buy a professional deck. With
>one caveat, and that is to get an Exabyte and the ASDG Abacus driver.
Can't argue with you there. I just wised I could afford ANY of these
toys. :^)
The DSP PAR has been out for a while. Everyone I've seen write something
about it just loves it.
The DPS PAR has been out for a while only for the Amiga. The PC
version should be out by christmas.
>The DSP PAR has been out for a while.
Well I know the Amiga DPS PAR board is out, I have used it
extensively, but I was asking about the IBM version. Sorry I wasn't
clear.
Anthony – I'm not sure whether the DPS has been officially released or
not. And we all can use more toys 🙂 -JE
—–>>> I have heard the same but it is usually to using low-grade
tape. I am not a HI8 user but have heard from those who use HI8 that
once they changed to HI-quality tape all their drop-out were
eliminated.
I agree. I've used Hi-8 (EVO-9650) for quite a bit of animation, all
on Pro-level 60-minute Hi-8 tapes, and I've experienced NO dropouts.
I think it makes a difference if you don't re-record over the same
area of the tape, and that you use the right tape.
I've read plenty of comments over the last year about Hi-8 and many
opinions and observations by several people who didn't appear to be
using/have used the format for animation work. Most seems to be word
of mouth, non-published specs, etc.
(watch this, now I'll have 15 drop-outs on my next animation! that'd be my
luck! <g>)
>I agree. I've used Hi-8 (EVO-9650) for quite a bit of animation, all on
>Pro-level 60-minute Hi-8 tapes, and I've experienced NO dropouts.
You have had good results, that is good to hear. Although with the
price of the Sanyo S950 there will probably be less 9650s sold.
—–>>> I have heard the same but it is usually to using low-grade
tape. I am not a HI8 user but have heard from those who use HI8 that
once they changed to HI-quality tape all their drop-out were
eliminated.
I agree. I've used Hi-8 (EVO-9650) for quite a bit of animation, all
on Pro-level 60-minute Hi-8 tapes, and I've experienced NO dropouts.
I think it makes a difference if you don't re-record over the same
area of the tape, and that you use the right tape.
I've read plenty of comments over the last year about Hi-8 and many opinions
and observations by several people who didn't appear to be using/have used the
format for animation work. Most seems to be word of mouth, non-published
specs, etc.
(watch this, now I'll have 15 drop-outs on my next animation! that'd be my
luck! <g>)
James,
I was in the market for HI-8 until I followed threads here
for a few months. I have a HI-8Camcorder and aquisition is tremedous.
But even just recording to tape with the camcorder I have experienced
problems. I went with SVHS (SVO9600) thanks to the good info
available here, However, I STILL haven't got to use it yet because
I'm dealing with an airhead, or con artist or idiot or something, The
jerk didnt send the right cables and he sent me the SVO9600 without
the RS-422 and Time Code Generator. After he said it was all in
stock, PLUS he sent me a used TARGA+ with antique drivers. Now I
consider myself a peaceful man, BUT I COULD'VE BOUGHT A HOG WITH THAT
$5800 BUCKS! And I am afraid that the guy is very close to
borderlining as a thief in my book. He has 72 hours to cough it up.
Not only has he jacked with my $5800 bucks (that I am paying interest
on) but he is real close to burning me on a $2000 animation project,
which ain't nothin compared to what that project will lead to, IF I
EVER GET IT ON TAPE.
rrroooOOOOAAAAARRRrrrrrrr
Merlin G. Farmer
Merlin,
So let's call the enforcer and get em' KneeCapped. <BG>
Murph' (Max)
—–>>>>>However, I STILL haven't got to use it yet because I'm
dealing with an airhead, or con artist or idiot or something, The
jerk didnt send the right cables and he sent me the SVO9600 without
the RS-422 and Time Code Generator. After he said it was all in
stock, PLUS he sent me a used TARGA+ with antique drivers. Now I
consider myself a peaceful man, BUT I COULD'VE BOUGHT A HOG WITH THAT
$5800 BUCKS! And I am afraid that the guy is very close to
borderlining as a thief in my book. He has 72 hours to cough it up.
Not only has he jacked with my $5800 bucks (that I am paying interest
on) but he is real close to burning me on a $2000 animation project,
which ain't nothin compared to what that project will lead to, IF I
EVER GET IT ON TAPE.
rrroooOOOOAAAAARRRrrrrrrr
Merlin G. Farmer <<<<<——-
Sorry to hear about all of your troubles. Us "Forum Dealers" will be
here to help if we can!
OF
Oral,
Problem is solved. Whew, I thought the bloody nightmare
was never gonna get over. I am getting a good discount on the used
Targa board, or I can send it back and get a new one. I think I am
gonna gofer the discount after I test the digitizing capability of
the board. As for the joker who sold me this stuff, well it wasn't
all him, UPS screwed up too as well as his home office in another
city. It was just a big goof all the way around. And then of course
there was Sony. Anyway, It's all here and working like a Swiss Watch.
As for giving the guy 72 hours, I did not need to, he had the rest
of the order at my doorstep the next morning at 9:30 a.m. Now that's
service! I just had to pull my hair out to get it thats all.
Merlin G. Farmer
Merlin,
>> Where was this thread when I went for broke and bought IPAS package N0.#1 a
month back! Sheesh! <<
Actually Merlin….this thread doesn't exist…it never did….I didn't say
this….I was never here.
Murph'
Just a thought Merlin, But how close to Green Bay Wisconsin are you
and are you interested in the Sanyo GVR-S950? James M. Murphy