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#34575From: Rich Bowers/OPADec 21, 1992 8:34 AM
Perhaps I'm trying to empty the ocean with a teaspoon, but I really want to do SOMETHING about inane (if not stupid) reporting about new technology in the press! Viz., story on pg B-1 of Dec 18 Wall St Journal about "disappointing" sales of Kodak's Photo-CD. We have discussed Photo-CD a lot here on the Forum, and I don't want to focus on it to the exclusion of other products. But… This article misses the point! Once again, we have so-called journalists, who became experts yesterday when they learned to spell the product name, counting sales and not taking into account other aspects of a new technology intro. Photo-CD is not just a box, it is a disc format as well, with far-reaching implications. More importantly, it provides new functionality, is a real impetus for mutlimedia, and has impact far beyond the sale of their players. Kodak is not the only victim (in some cases, beneficiary) of such simplistic thinking. CD-I has survived as long as it has because the press has printed Philips' press releases without any critical eye. On the other hand, CDROM in general has suffered because the press thinks it is merely a computer peripheral with little or no understanding of its impact as a publishing medium, and the promise it holds in innumerable markets. Virtually every vendor has experienced this phenomenon – for good or ill. Should we put together a Hi-Tech 101 class for journalists? Flood them with mail when they do something absurd (but alas, we would have time for little else!)? We need a better educated press (including the computer trade press – hello InfoWorld and PC Week!). Until that time, readers need to realize that, just because a cub reporter gets their story printed, it ain't necessarily gospel! What do you think!? Rich Bowers
#34599From: Tim EnnisDec 21, 1992 1:56 PM
Rich, Your disappointment in the press when it comes to reporting on matters on which you have personal or professional knowledge is widely shared. Its the nature of the beast that reporters who cover a multitude of stories and who were trained as journalists are not going to have the overview or appreciation of nuances as someone involved intimately in the matter. I read the story in question, and did not consider it unfair. It was perfectly proper that the story concentrate on on the projected sales and the fact that consumers were not sure why they should buy the product. To expound on the "far-reaching implications" of the technology would have made the reporter an advocate and been improper in the context. For the type of informed coverage you seem to be looking for, have you seen the quarterly review of computer technology in the Journal or the weekly computer column by Walter Mossberg in section B. He reviews the products and technology from the perspective of an informed end-user without an ax to grind. I really think your ire here should be directed at Kodak. They are doing a lousy job of getting the product and the story out. I have a CD-ROM drive, a laser disc player, and a CD-I player aand I am having a hard time remembering where exactly Photo- CD is going to fit for me or where I go to get involved and whether I need a new machine or the old ones will due. Regards Tim
#34603From: Rich Bowers/OPADec 21, 1992 2:38 PM
Tim: Thanks for your comments. >>I read the story in question, and did not consider it unfair.<< You're right, it wasn't unfair, except by omission. True, within the limited scope of talking about the players, they did a "reporting" job. I guess my complaint is that they they positioned the story as disappointment in "Photo-CD" rather than "Photo-CD players." And there is more to the story. I don't own stock in the company, but I do appreciate – from personal as well as anecdotal experience – that Photo-CD has done something very positive for the masses who have never understood what this "multimedia" noise was all about. That's at the core of the "far-reaching impact." I do read Mossberg's column (and the other guy who fills in) and think they are great. In fact, I might wish that more reporting were done by people who admit upfront they aren't experts, instead of acting like the ultimate authority on the strength of a few phone calls. As far as Kodak's pr job so far, well no one's perfect. But again, from the unsophisticated consumers perspective, I think they have found a way to demonstrate multimedia better than most. And I wish them well for that, because in the end the entire industry gains. Dealing with people looking for hard information every day (and having to admit there is little) I get overly sensitive to skewed news and inexpert opinions. Best – Rich Bowers
#34644From: Paul Zane PilzerDec 22, 1992 1:04 AM
Rich I agree with your comment about the press and Photo XA. You really can't expect any one with a 3 hour deadline to come up with any insight. I learned this the easy way when I wrote my first book (Other People's Money) on the S&L Crisis. The publishers I took it too first explained that all the other S&L book proposals were from very prominent journalists (and started naming names and credits). Then they told me that they wanted my book first because "it wasn't from a journalist" so they knew it would contain insights into why rather than just what. (I went with Simon & Schuster). When it comes to CD-ROM publishing, like with any other revolutionary medium, the people in the related existing field will lose the most and be the last to understand its potential. When talking movies came out, they were heralded as the "end of the piano player for the movie houses" and basically only contained piano music for three years before the realized that the actors themselves could talk on them. Few silent movie people made it to talkies, and few existing publishers and journalists may make it to CD-ROM multimedia publishing.
#34658From: Rich Bowers/OPADec 22, 1992 8:05 AM
Paul: Thanks for the comment. I collect historical vignettes that illustrate our acceptance and absorption of technology, and this story will go into the bag. Have a great holiday! Rich Bowers
#34720From: Paul Zane PilzerDec 22, 1992 11:58 PM
If you collect historical vignettes on the incorporation of technology, I have a lot for you. My last book has many such items and I use several in each speech. I'll send you some as they come to mind.
#34754From: Rich Bowers/OPADec 23, 1992 10:25 AM
Paul: I appreciate it! I find that anecdotes from previous experience with new technologies and products help us understand current challenges better, and put them in perspective. We keep saying that we should learn from history, but the techology business seems to feel it is so new that there are no lessons to learn from the past. And I disagree heartily. Take care! Rich Bowers
#34944From: Matthew de GanonDec 26, 1992 4:04 PM
Getting back to the original thread, I think you have to make a distinction between the general press and the industry press. CD technology, as Phillips is discovering, may not be the product for the home PC user that they thought it might. Indeed, CD-I is getting its biggest response in industry, where it is providing a time/cost saving service to those who use it (ie – x-referencing drug interactions for doctors). I may take a lot of flack for saying this, but I think that Kodaks photo products are a bit silly to make such a big deal over. Sure it's neat to put your photos on a new device to view them – but it's far from the wave of the future – or maybe it is – but to me it's the difference between casettes and 8 track: both delivered the music, the device with the biggest market ]share won. The general press will deal with the general interest. Those of us who look at this stuff with a much more educated eye will seek out the more educated reporters. – Matt
#34953From: Rich Bowers/OPADec 26, 1992 6:31 PM
Matthew: >>CD technology, as Phillips is discovering, may not be the product for the home PC user that they thought it might. Indeed, CD-I is getting its biggest response in industry, where it is providing a time/cost saving service to those who use it (ie – x-referencing drug interactions for doctors).<< No offense, but I can't imagine what you are talking about. Maybe the confusion is in your terminology. CD-I is a specific brand name developed by Philips. It has recieved only the barest of interest from industry so far, and primarily for training. The drug-interaction products you speak of have been available on standard CDROM starting in 1987. And indeed CDROM is enormously successful in industry for applications such as these, and a multitude of others. I think the words you've used are the result of some confusion in the marketplace (cultivated by Philips' PR and advertising campaigns) that CD-I (their product) is somehow "more interactive" than CDROM in general. This is a misconception. Any CDROM application (whether CD-I or not), is as interactive as the developer wants it to be. As for your comments on Kodak, you may be right. I don't think so, but time will tell. Thanks for your input. — Rich Bowers
#35004From: Matthew de GanonDec 27, 1992 3:59 AM
Good point, and I stand corrected. I still contest that the technology (at this point) is not for the general consumer. As you said earlier, this may be the result of it being a "young" marketplace. Perhaps I, like others, am confining my imagination and not seeing the far reaching possibilities. Maybe I just don't know enough about the possibilities of the technology. Unfortunately, I see it as a technological stepping stone. Then again, I like G. Gordon Liddy, so you might get an idea of what I think <big g>. – Matt
#35034From: Rich Bowers/OPADec 27, 1992 1:30 PM
Matt: I really think we need to re-focus the analysis of "fitness for the consumer." Just like any other technology, computers, CDROM drives and all are neutral, they just sit there until they are put to some good use. (And who is this elusive consumer, anyway!?) So I don't think in terms of whether the technology is ready for the consumer or not. What you haven't seen, perhaps, is a good _use_ of the technology. And this is where the real problem lies. We are facing a challenge of creativity in the use of the technology. And because the developer community, to a large extent, has not figured out how to make creative use of the technology, we find ourselves facing news stories and conference speeches saying that the "technology" can't go anywhere until we have full motion video, or whatever. Baloney! We simply haven't developed a sense of the tools yet, or figured out how to exploit the limits of those tools to create beauty, utility, and so on. There are notable exceptions, of course, but we need more. As for Liddy, from what I hear, as an undercover operative/toughguy, he makes a good talk-show host!<g> Take care — Rich Bowers
#35085From: John C. WilliamsDec 27, 1992 10:35 PM
Let me jump in here if I may. It seems to me that part of the problem with CD-ROM and computer technology in general is that the techies know how to develop the products because they are experts in the technology. But the experts in the fields of endeavour (such as law, teaching, sales, tennis, you name it) don't know the technology, so they don't know what can be done with the technology. A good example of this is the trivial examples that often come with the software we buy. One of the most powerful software tools I have is an outliner/idea processor and the example in the manual is outlining an idea for a company that does company picnics for other companies! The techies have no idea what real people in real businesses need for computer software. And the people who need the software don't know enough about the computer business to know that there are software solutions for their problems just waiting to be developed. Maybe true object programming will bring the level of expertise down to the point where the tennis pro can write his own tennis teaching software. 5 years? JW
#35147From: Rich Bowers/OPADec 28, 1992 12:34 PM
John: I believe you are absolutely right. I have been pounding the podium for years saying that the real challenge in making use of technology is not more new technology (that will happen anyway, we just can't help ouselves). Rather we face a crisis of creativity. Other media have well-developed models for combining the skills of subject specialists with production specialists. CDROM seems to be the only media business that thinks all you need is a computer, and you're done! No one would expect the guy who runs the printing press for Random House to come up with all the good ideas for next season's book list. Random House "hires" respected subject specialists to create the content. No one expects a film editor to dream up ideas to make movies out of, that's what the script writer is for. We have yet to develop these kinds of teams, and working relationships in this business that meet the needs you describe. Hopefully, now that we have concisely identified the problem…. Best – Rich Bowers
#35059From: Matthew de GanonDec 27, 1992 6:09 PM
I just read your CDFAQ. Extremely helpful! Thanks for making it available. Some real misconceptions were cleared up. Matt de.
#35144From: Rich Bowers/OPADec 28, 1992 12:21 PM
Matt: Glad to hear CDFAQ helped! Please let me now what other issues you come across that could use clarification, and I'll add those things to future editions. Best — Rich
#35219From: Matthew de GanonDec 28, 1992 11:57 PM
<< Please let me now what other issues you come across that could use clarification, and I'll add those things to future editions. >> Well, to be selfish: what I need to know at this point is if any other processing (CD-R to be exact) can duplicate or match the Kodak Photo-CD for less money (Kodak lists its processor at 100K). I'm interested in the ablility to do professional 4 color separation, and image manipulation (removal of copy from art for example). Kodak, is, of course, no help!
#35255From: Rich Bowers/OPADec 29, 1992 9:20 AM
Matt: I don't have any special knowledge in this area. But anyone can buy the CD-writer, and I have to assume that Kodak would be willing to license their software. The problem for you may be that their pricing is based on commercial production, not a single user. But obviously these are issues that Kodak must decide. Best – Rich
#34813From: John C. WilliamsDec 23, 1992 11:30 PM
Paul, what's the book? I'm interested in the subject. Thanks JW
#34815From: Paul Zane PilzerDec 24, 1992 12:31 AM
Thanks for asking. My most recent book was Unlimited Wealth (Crown Publishers, 1991) dealt heavily with technological change and had a chapter explaining how and why technology advances (mostly during times of war). My next book will contain many more anecdotes on this subject but will not be released until late 1993. My last two books, plus over 300 related articles, was just published in multimedia form on a CD-ROM called MULTIMEDIA POWERTALK (by ZCI–800-460-4623). The disc will be featured in PC MAGAZINE (February issue, due out Jan 20) plus reviewed in six other computer magazines next month.
#34946From: John C. WilliamsDec 26, 1992 5:31 PM
Thanks, I'll order it Monday! Then you can autograph it for me via Compuserve. Somehow…
#34812From: John C. WilliamsDec 23, 1992 11:30 PM
Rich "I collect historical vignettes that illustrate our acceptance and absorption of technology" How about sharing a few with us. I have always wondered what really happened to the proverbial buggy whip manufacturers.
#34820From: Rich Bowers/OPADec 24, 1992 1:17 AM
John: It's late, and I've still got some Christmas presents to wrap. But here's a taste. I am particularly interested in how often history repeats itself in the technology world. We continue to think we are having unique problems, when in fact they are common over the long haul. For example, we talk a lot about the format wars in the CDROM world: various computer-based formats vs tv-based formats. And wars among tv-based formats like CD-I, VIS, Photo-CD. Edison fought a "format" war for almost 20 years before he finally gave up. He felt the cylinder was the right mechanism and configuration for delivering pre-recorded sound. And then these johnny-come-lately French brothers named Victor came up with a disc that served the same function, but had a number of conveniences, including ease of storage and use. Edison sued, Edison screamed, and, in the end, Edison lost to a superior idea. Edison was incredible as a visualizer and conceptualizer, but he had blind spots, and a wicked temper. Do you recall the almost literal war (on the streets of New York) Edison fought with George Westinghouse over the contract to provide electrical power to the city? Edison fought for direct current, Westinghouse for alternating current. Edison assured the city fathers that alternating current would burn down the city, cause health problems, everything in the book. But in the end he lost because, while he had the right idea, he would not adjust to superior execution. (The dynamics of Tesla in this mix are equally fascinating. Did Marconi really rip off wireless telegraphy?) {continued in reply}
#34821From: Rich Bowers/OPADec 24, 1992 1:27 AM
{continued …} One lesson to be learned from these earliest days of directed, purposeful research and development, is that we must stay focussed on functional goals, on the task at hand. People and companies who get too hung up on their own approach may lose out to superior execution. A few individuals take their big ideas all the way to success (like Gillette). But too often the people who originate the big idea lose out because they cannot adapt to new ways to capitalize on their ideas. Did you know the earliest principles of tv were demonstrated in the 1880's? Color tv in the 1930's? FM radio in the 1920's? That the mouse, remote computer communications, CRT's for computers and computer-generated graphics were all demonstrated in the mid-1960's? And the people who developed all these ideas and demonstrated them first, benefited only minutely from their accomplishments. A great book is "Getting It Right the Second Time" by Gershman. It is fascinating to see how Pepsi, Kotex, ballpoint pens and a host of other products evolved from their original failed executions. I don't know if CDROM itself will be around in 20 years or not. And, to some extent, I don't care. The fact is that the lessons we learn from working with digital multimedia publishing today are pushing the envelope. What we must watch for are the best ways to execute the concept, to its ultimate success. Have a great Christmas! — Rich Bowers
#34838From: Albert DayesDec 24, 1992 11:13 AM
Rich, Thanks for the history lesson. Never knew about the story about Edison and the disc (or is it disk?). — Albert
#34840From: Rich Bowers/OPADec 24, 1992 11:45 AM
Albert: I do tend to babble when I'm tired! Rich
#34819From: Steve ParkerDec 24, 1992 1:03 AM
Rich, All I can say is … Sony beta max. Steve
#34822From: Rich Bowers/OPADec 24, 1992 2:05 AM
Steve: >>All I can say is … Sony beta max.<< Can you say … a little more? Was beta max treated shabbily by the press? Rich