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as for CONVENTIONAL word processor's…..no its not as good as
WordPerfect….but if 5.0 of WP (which by the way I saw in Chicago today as
a demo on 286 machine) is adding the features I saw, then they may stand
pretty much toe to toe…..I could only wish that Excellence! was being
marketed by a more reliable firm like WP Corp. I still object to MSS's
handling of a mess of their own doing, and do not think that a sly copy of
Sideways will change my mind about their BS attitude.
As for implementation on the Amiga…Excellence! IS better suited to the
machine…but I would expect this…MSS has the experiance WP corp. has not
had it that long….but I expect that they will catch up very soon and
surpass MSS….The working page and multiple fonts are really quite well
done, and the special page to page preview is very well done..as for
printing functions WB 1.3 is a printers dream…if you have a 24 pin DM
printer and turn on anti-aliasing and go for high print quality number it
is a hell of a sight to see….(thank Commodore for this one.) Will let you
know more as I progress, also see my note to Don Curtis.
Hmmm…I was very unimpressed and disappointed when I saw ProWrite 2.0
print on an Epson 9 pin with WB 1.3 9 pin Epson driver. Maybe it was the
software.
It is possible that we were all expecting a little more but, my
nine pin Panasonic also does a heck of a job with WB 1.3. But different
people may view the printing differently. See 1.3 really for speed and
works under second printer option screen.
The fault could also be ProWrite. But, to be honest with you, I've seen
C64 GEOS do better on a 9pin epson than ProWrite with 1.3 drivers.
Supposedly the 1.3 drivers are important to ProWrite, they supposedly held
this release until they could use them. I dunno.
See my previous message about how to get better quality from ProWrite with
nine pin Epson compatible printers. Also, specifics as to what you see as
the problem with the quality would definitely help in pinpointing what to
do to get the results you are looking for. But remember, nine pin printers
will never give as good a result as 24 pin printers.
First of all, I'm in the minority (which is nothing unusual.) But I'm
new to the Amiga and suspect that 1.2 must've had some really poor printer
drivers, because I haven't been impressed with 1.3 at all. But the only
thing I've seen with 1.3 is ProWrite, so I'm not sure what's at fault..
There are still "scan lines" or "venetian blind effects" with some 9 pin
printers. It's not that bad, but, again, I've seen better (with Publishing
Partner ST or C64 GEOS). The letters just aren't formed as well, or as
carefully as I've seen with some of the other products. Now, I will admit,
that the other products (non-Amiga) can take up to 40 minutes to print 1
page. They pass over each line about 4 times in "final quality" mode. But
that should still be an option with ProWrite.
The venetian blinds syndrome has NOTHING whatever to do with the
program/processor driving the printer, it has SOLELY to do with the
printer. I suspect that you are using fanfold/pin-feed paper. When doing
graphic images it is best to do them one sheet at a time and friciton feed.
The reason is that no printer's platen and pin-feed mechanisms are ever
exactly in synch. Slightly different thicknesses of paper will change the
discrepancaies between them. Err, the earlier not the program/processor is
a slight exageration, the early Epson drivers for the Amiga has a few
peculiarities in them, like having to select 'CUSTOM' paper size to run
correctly with SOME Epson printers.
Yes, I realize that the venetian blinds syndrome is a problem that's
plagued printers of all sorts for quite awhile. However, with 3 programs
right off the bat, I don't see that effect on 3 printers.
The 3 programs are GEOWrite (and GEOPublish for the C64), TypeSetter for
the 8 bit Atari, and Publishing Partner ST.
The 3 printers are a Citizen MSP20, an Epson FX85, and a Panasonic
1080i. Fiddling with the settings on ProWrite, I could not get the effect
to not show up. I didn't try some of the things that the fellow from New
Horizons recommended to me (smoothing especially). But, after what I
experimented with a for about 2 hours the other night, something still
isn't up to snuff, in my opinion. Either ProWrite or the much vaunted WB
1.3 Epson 9 pin printer driver.
Yes, I realize that the venetian blinds syndrome is a problem that's
plagued printers of all sorts for quite awhile. However, with 3 programs
right off the bat, I don't see that effect on 3 printers.
The 3 programs are GEOWrite (and GEOPublish for the C64), TypeSetter for
the 8 bit Atari, and Publishing Partner ST.
The 3 printers are a Citizen MSP20, an Epson FX85, and a Panasonic
1080i. Fiddling with the settings on ProWrite, I could not get the effect
to not show up. I didn't try some of the things that the fellow from New
Horizons recommended to me (smoothing especially). But, after what I
experimented with a for about 2 hours the other night, something still
isn't up to snuff, in my opinion. Either ProWrite or the much vaunted WB
1.3 Epson 9 pin printer driver.
The venetian blinds syndrome has NOTHING whatever to do with the
program/processor driving the printer, it has SOLELY to do with the
printer. I suspect that you are using fanfold/pin-feed paper. When doing
graphic images it is best to do them one sheet at a time and friciton feed.
The reason is that no printer's platen and pin-feed mechanisms are ever
exactly in synch. Slightly different thicknesses of paper will change the
discrepancaies between them. Err, the earlier not the program/processor is
a slight exageration, the early Epson drivers for the Amiga has a few
peculiarities in them, like having to select 'CUSTOM' paper size to run
correctly with SOME Epson printers.
First of all, I'm in the minority (which is nothing unusual.) But I'm
new to the Amiga and suspect that 1.2 must've had some really poor printer
drivers, because I haven't been impressed with 1.3 at all. But the only
thing I've seen with 1.3 is ProWrite, so I'm not sure what's at fault..
There are still "scan lines" or "venetian blind effects" with some 9 pin
printers. It's not that bad, but, again, I've seen better (with Publishing
Partner ST or C64 GEOS). The letters just aren't formed as well, or as
carefully as I've seen with some of the other products. Now, I will admit,
that the other products (non-Amiga) can take up to 40 minutes to print 1
page. They pass over each line about 4 times in "final quality" mode. But
that should still be an option with ProWrite.
See my previous message about how to get better quality from ProWrite with
nine pin Epson compatible printers. Also, specifics as to what you see as
the problem with the quality would definitely help in pinpointing what to
do to get the results you are looking for. But remember, nine pin printers
will never give as good a result as 24 pin printers.
The fault could also be ProWrite. But, to be honest with you, I've seen
C64 GEOS do better on a 9pin epson than ProWrite with 1.3 drivers.
Supposedly the 1.3 drivers are important to ProWrite, they supposedly held
this release until they could use them. I dunno.
My first letter with a color picture included on the wp in question with
1.3 of course was quite impressive – slow, but very nice. With a little
practice I found it very easy to do, and I had a 9 point font that I liked,
more lines per page then normal, and a pd iff color picture in the middle
just for the fun of it. I printed it on my Oki 20. I have been using the
default 1.3 pref settings so far. Ron
My first letter with a color picture included on the wp in question with
1.3 of course was quite impressive – slow, but very nice. With a little
practice I found it very easy to do, and I had a 9 point font that I liked,
more lines per page then normal, and a pd iff color picture in the middle
just for the fun of it. I printed it on my Oki 20. I have been using the
default 1.3 pref settings so far. Ron
It is possible that we were all expecting a little more but, my
nine pin Panasonic also does a heck of a job with WB 1.3. But different
people may view the printing differently. See 1.3 really for speed and
works under second printer option screen.
In what way were you disappointed? There are several options in printing,
and for Epson 9 pin printers it is possible to get good quality. Not as
good as 24 pin printers, but as good as 9 pin graphics output can be.
With a 24 pin printer you can turn on the "Smoothing" option (called
"Anti-aliasing" in Preferences) for exceptional results. BTW, I was the
person who designed the smoothing algorithm used in the new Workbench 1.3
printer.device–I designed this specifically with ProWrite in mind. (On a 9
pin printer you generally get the best results if you set the orientation
to "Tall" rather than "Tall Adjusted" in ProWrite's "Page Setup"
requester–give this a try. Also try using a better looking font than
Diamond 12, we include some extra fonts of our own just for this purpose.
Specifically, try using Granite 15 or Marble 15).
I definately did not try smoothing. I will try that – if it works as
well as you're implying, I'll owe you an aplogy. BTW is that in the docs
anywhere? (Its not me who has the program, but a customer).
I definately did not try smoothing. I will try that – if it works as
well as you're implying, I'll owe you an aplogy. BTW is that in the docs
anywhere? (Its not me who has the program, but a customer).
In what way were you disappointed? There are several options in printing,
and for Epson 9 pin printers it is possible to get good quality. Not as
good as 24 pin printers, but as good as 9 pin graphics output can be.
With a 24 pin printer you can turn on the "Smoothing" option (called
"Anti-aliasing" in Preferences) for exceptional results. BTW, I was the
person who designed the smoothing algorithm used in the new Workbench 1.3
printer.device–I designed this specifically with ProWrite in mind. (On a 9
pin printer you generally get the best results if you set the orientation
to "Tall" rather than "Tall Adjusted" in ProWrite's "Page Setup"
requester–give this a try. Also try using a better looking font than
Diamond 12, we include some extra fonts of our own just for this purpose.
Specifically, try using Granite 15 or Marble 15).
Hmmm…I was very unimpressed and disappointed when I saw ProWrite 2.0
print on an Epson 9 pin with WB 1.3 9 pin Epson driver. Maybe it was the
software.