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#Microsoft buys SoftImage

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#84014From: Mitchell WaiteFeb 15, 1994 5:55 PM
Has anyone heard about this? SoftImage makes a high end 3D Studio like product. What does this mean? Will Autodesk finally throw more resources toward 3DS. Will a Windows 4.0 or NT port finally appear?
#84046From: ROBERT NORMAN JR.Feb 15, 1994 9:17 PM
An OS/2 port will be nice as well since there is hardly any players and the market is wide open for the taking.
#84220From: Mitchell WaiteFeb 16, 1994 11:54 AM
Here are the details: Microsoft Corp. has signed an agreement to acquire Softimage Inc., a Montreal-based developer of computer animation software, the companies said Monday. The stock transaction, worth about $130 million, has been approved by the boards of both companies. Each share of Softimage stock would be exchanged for 0.279 of a share of Microsoft stock, with an adjustment factor designed to provide not less than $21 nor more than $24 per Softimage share. The agreement is subject to the approval of Softimage's shareholders. Softimage, founded in 1986, develops and 3-D animation and simulation software. The company also produces software programs for two-dimensional purposes, including post-production editing of graphics, text, sound and special effects. Its products are used by film studios, animation houses, broadcasters, graphic artists, designers and engineers. "The market for digital media is growing rapidly and Softimage is a technology leader in this area," Microsoft chairman Bill Gates said. "We share with Microsoft a common vision of the role that authoring tools will play as the digital media marketplace unfolds," said Daniel Langlois, chairman, chief executive officer and founder of Softimage. Langlois will continue to head the development organization in Montreal, which will operate as part of Microsoft's Advanced Technology division. ———————————– ILM STUFF: SI said Microsoft was really interested in Digital Studio and will committ to developing that product. Softimage will report to Microsoft's Advance Technology group. Since Microsoft is now signed on to use OpenGL from SGI, you will probably be seeing SI (and other products) running on the new PowerPC architecture (which is potentially much faster than the current SGI risc-based CPUs). The acquisition is stock-based: .237 shares of Softimage for 1 share of Microsoft. Offical press releases are forthcoming.
#84090From: Jim [PolyGone Cafe]Feb 15, 1994 11:05 PM
I do hope AD does pump more resource into 3DS. Although I would prefer to own a Softimage system and an SGI box its a bit heavy on the purse strings. The first thing one should do when MicroSoft buys Softimage is buy Softimage stock! In all seriousness I'm learning Softimage and find it to be a wonderfull feature rich product. One can produce highly sophisticated work in a short period of time. It runs under SGI's GUI IRIX (Unix) OS which is also a pleasure to work with. The Softimage interface is very similar to 3D Studio. If you know 3DS you can learn Softimage, although it is more sophisticated the principals are the same. I think Microsoft buying into an animation software company will only lend more credibility to an industry that is already booming.
#84349From: John SchmidtFeb 16, 1994 8:07 PM
Jim, >> buy Softimage stock! It was up over $6 today; a jump of more than 33%! John
#84387From: Jim [PolyGone Cafe]Feb 16, 1994 10:20 PM
Yeppers, bought me a few. What really ticks is that I was contemplating buying it when it was at 13 last week and procrastinated. Oh well, thats the name of the game. I would speculate that we will see some of this washing over to SGI also when SI comes out with Digital Studio.
#84547From: Ian ChristieFeb 17, 1994 1:17 PM
Digital Studio? What's that? (or should I say "Quest que ce?" <sp?>) Ian.
#84612From: krazy imagesFeb 17, 1994 7:39 PM
Yes, booming, but limited. I really can't imagine what Microsoft plans to do with softimage and how softimage origined 3d software could fit in any multimedia authoring platform. It sounds elitist, but I really think that 3D animation (and general animation, and art, etc.) is not for all the monkeys out there. The big game for a company like Microsoft is Business, not art based packages, not special effects no 3d animation… business people doesn't need a 3d package to create character animation. There is a "hobby" market, but I don't think that this could represent too much in Microsoft income. But back to the business thing, when 3d fits in a presentation. Presentations with IMPACT! they say. I say ********. Business presentation with impact are so awful, so style-less, so inneficient, so stupid that I can't believe that people don't get an eyes disease watching them. They fill them with horrible clipart, monster colors and now, with 3D effects such as Pixar Typestry or CorelDRAW! 🙂 Ok, go ahead, let's put $99.99 3D animation packages in everybody's hands. Soon, computer screens will start to look as those old pink cadillacs with airbrushed flamingos, fire in their wheels, cheetah fur in the seats and some kind of gold crown in the front (and I HAVE SEEN ONE of those 🙂 Computer art, pop(ular) art to the max! But what I'm saying! You don't have to wait for 3d programs! Just have a look to those desktop windoze programs… yes! Iconize-it-all-with-violets-frames or Divinize-your-desktop or And-now-for-the-most-awful-gif-and-stupid-font! Yes, you can guess what will be the topic of the next John Waters movie. It's pity that Divine is dead… I'm sure he-she would do awesome animations in 3ds. ILM? Oh, yeah, they are good but don't know about Pulp! Back to the Satellite of Love! ana /krazy images ps.I hope that you have enjoyed this one, boys and girls.
#84633From: John TissavaryFeb 17, 1994 9:48 PM
You didn't touch on **the** one thing that Bill G. and several other "major players" are gambling/banking on. The future of the set-top computer/tv multi-media tool is quite a big deal, and although we don't hear THAT much about it now, several large companies, AT&T, Paramount, SGI, SEGA, and Microsoft included, are dropping SERIOUS $$$ into this future market, and buying SoftImage is a drop in the bucket compared to total monies invested in this area. What the specific needs Microsoft has of SoftImage, I don't know. But I well imagine it's not to remarket the package, or to collect a percentage of their measly (compared to MS' other ventures) income. I'm sure Bill G couldn't give a **** about the sales market of SoftImage, current or future. My feelings go more along the lines of their jointly developing technology and product for the upcoming settop and other computer/entertainment based consumer market.
#84776From: SyndesisFeb 18, 1994 11:08 AM
Why haven't "set-top-boxes" succeeded so far? Lack of interactivity? Lack of graphics, speed or color? Lack of content? Steering my way through an interactive movie doesn't sound like the same kind of "fun" as watching the cohesive, sensible work of a good director or a good story. I think a better way to look at this is, everyone here already has a set-top box, except it's not yet connected to your set or your cable tap. Probably not, except for the Amigans. 🙂
#84873From: John TissavaryFeb 18, 1994 3:53 PM
I agree with you. I think the technology, interface, and market are a ways off, and will need to grow and develop just like the video games, and computer markets did. But I do see this as a powerful potential market and trend. And "set top" is really only the one facet – the entertainment center. I see the trend as spreading to a general digitization of the living environment. We're seeing it in cars in a rudimentary sort of way, and in appiances at home (including the computer <g>), and its just a matter of technology getting more sophisticated, interconnected, and a better interface than the one's we've got today. I think keyboards, mice, and cheezy plastic buttons are a lousy way to interface with a computer. Pretty wierd for an industry that is otherwise so forward thinking and R+D inclined (although I know there are some pretty esoteric and revolutionary interfaces in development). The keyboard will be useful for many things, but there's got to be some input options for regular folks to want to use digital aids. And just think of the market that opens up for us animators and format conversion gurus when all this stuff starts to take off… my 2 pfennigs' worth John Tissavary (La Luna cie)
#84851From: Mitchell WaiteFeb 18, 1994 2:24 PM
John I think you have hit the bullseye on the reason for the SoftImage purchase. Here are some ideas: 1. SoftImage could form the animation module of an SDK for a TV top developers package. I am sure there are many other components that will all be glued together with the Windows API so current Windows developer community (which is huge) has a clear path. I am sure Bill wants to take advantage of his large following so when the PC runs out of steam there is a new box to write software for. 2. Visual Basic might play a role in this–it's the development system for the WinPad environment and is simple enough that many people can use it. 3. It may be that Microsoft wants to emulate George Lucas' operation, with a Viacom and Industrial Light and Magic spin. He may be making movies soon, then developing multimedia titles to be marketed along with them. 4. It may be that SoftImage is a tool for the educational market, forming the bases of a development system for educators making multimedia. Bill Gates is THE most visionary businessman in the world, and with a his billions he can make a product successful where no one else can. I greatly admire the guy, predatory behavior and all.
#84874From: John TissavaryFeb 18, 1994 3:53 PM
I don't know if I'd call Bill THE most visionary buisness man in the world (there are no absolutes in my world), but he doesn't usually do stuff for the hell or glory of it.
#85031From: Bailey BrownFeb 19, 1994 12:56 PM
Mitch, MS is working on OpenGL for Win32. Perhaps they want SoftImage to lead the way for SGI apps to be ported to their OS. Bailey
#84995From: Jim [PolyGone Cafe]Feb 19, 1994 10:53 AM
As I understand it MS is beefing up to SI's development staff among other things. So hey John, how are ya? Last time I yacked at you I was in San Fran. After that I went to FL and Atlanta for a while then to Arlington, VA to learn SI. Had to haul to LA to do some cost and claims software in LA for the quake thang but I'm back in VA now. Its great out here. Lots of snow. ergggg. Jim PolyGone Cafe'
#85036From: John TissavaryFeb 19, 1994 3:14 PM
I'm doing great, Jim, thanks. Things are moving along nicely here, and I've managed to get a little skiing in, too. Are you going to NAB? John Tissavary (La Luna cie)
#85066From: Jim [PolyGone Cafe]Feb 19, 1994 5:36 PM
Yes I am. If you go out there would be great to see you and chat. R u going to be there ? Jim
#85076From: John TissavaryFeb 19, 1994 7:00 PM
>>R u going to be there…NAB?<< I are <g>. We should figure out a place to meet, since I've never met you face to face. Maybe someone who's been to Vegas lately can jump in here and suggest a locale to have an Asoft gettogether like at Siggraph =)
#85587From: Jim [PolyGone Cafe]Feb 22, 1994 11:24 AM
Great idea but the only thing I've been to in Vegas are the black jack tables. Someone do kick in here and help us narrow down a spot. Jim PolyGone Cafe'
#85085From: krazy imagesFeb 19, 1994 7:16 PM
set-top? I have an open mind, but potato-couch entertaiment leaves me cold 🙂 Well, back to the computer! <GG>
#85157From: John TissavaryFeb 20, 1994 4:24 AM
I think we're conditioned to think of TV related stuff as couch potatoe habit inducing, but I would like to see an integrated digital environment where the TV/monitor performs a lot of functions, including displaying my own creations, the oven timer, who's at the front door, the latest pictures from planet Zebulon 4, etc…. TV will evolve – of course there will always be crappy, boring shows, but there'll be a lot more when the ability to pipe it in becomes affordable/feasable. TV's will have to get a lot smarter to do anything really cool, and set-top (or inside, or whatever) is the way it'll happen soon.
#85245From: krazy imagesFeb 20, 1994 7:24 PM
You didn't catch the fine irony in my potato-couch message, John 🙂 Everyone talks about how stupid TV is, how stupid interactive TV is, etc. but I bet that they are the same that are willing to pay $2k for their next superTVsetwithinteractivecapabilities. Someone has said that this is not like a good movie by a good director. Of course, IT ISN'T. What people is missing is that this doesn't have anything to do with conventional movies or anything we have now. That's not the objective. Like electronic arts and new art trends. No electronic art will replace more conventional art. Even inside conventional techniques, you can see that most of them were a vanguardist technique in the past. Oil didn't replace tempera. And acrylic didn't replace oils. And airbrushes didn't replace classic brush techniques. There is space for anything you can invent. The nice thing is that people could use whatever they want for enjoyment or creativity. The worst thing is that some people, like me, knows that they will never have enough time to see, experience and use the 99% of the things that exist on Earth. ana /krazy images
#85261From: John TissavaryFeb 20, 1994 9:24 PM
Oh <g>. Then I guess we agree… <g>. John Tissavary (La Luna cie)
#85588From: Jim [PolyGone Cafe]Feb 22, 1994 11:25 AM
I don't care what they do with the TV as long as they keep showing my Mr Ed reruns.
#85686From: John TissavaryFeb 22, 1994 5:50 PM
After Nickelodeon fired John Krickfalusi, the creator of Ren and Stimpy there's nothing they can do to hurt me anymore <g>. John Tissavary (La Luna cie)
#86092From: krazy imagesFeb 24, 1994 12:42 AM
Yeah, kids can't be exposed to a "innocent" <he,he> Krickfalusi cartoon but yes to "Mortal Kombat" 1, 2 and 3. Ah, censorship you say? >)
#86109From: John TissavaryFeb 24, 1994 1:31 AM
Actually, I don't know the whole Ren and Stimpy story, but I think JK set himself up for it. He sold them the whole shebang, then they turned around and fired him. Seems he must have left something important out of his contract =(
#86176From: David RhotenFeb 24, 1994 9:57 AM
I don't know that he "sold them the whole shebang" so much as he ran into the "work made for hire" laws in this country. There are a number of groups of disaffected artists and "creators" in various fields who have campaigns for creators rights. History is full of people (like the creators of Superman) who died nearly broke while the company who _entirely_ owned the rights to these people's creations (simply because they worked there and created the "product" while there) raked in millions and millions.
#84842From: Mike KelleyFeb 18, 1994 1:52 PM
>Back to the Satellite of Love! Uh oh! I knew there had to be a reason you were so nice to have around here — you're a MSTY!
#84875From: John TissavaryFeb 18, 1994 3:53 PM
As much as I love MST3K, I prefer to think of the sattelite of love as a Lou Reed-David Bowie kinda thing. I'd bet that's where they got the inspiration for the name in the first place.
#85118From: krazy imagesFeb 19, 1994 11:39 PM
Yes! Absolutely! See my message to Mike, John 🙂 ana /krazy images
#85158From: John TissavaryFeb 20, 1994 4:24 AM
Gotcha. I'm hoping for some white-light/white-heat (in the inspirational sense) for my frustrating flat reflection nightmare <g>.
#85117From: krazy imagesFeb 19, 1994 11:39 PM
Actually, I am a big MST3K fan, yes 🙂 However, I have been using the Satellite of Love for years (really!) To be exact, since the Lou Reed song (I'm also a Reed fan 🙂 I always have thought that the guys from MST3K put the name from the Reed's song. John Foust probably knows about it since he ACTUALLY is a friend of the krazy crowd up there, in space <g> Other names for the series could be the Major Tom Space Cab or the Ziggy Stardust spaceship 😉 -I'm a Bowie (oldies ones and the Machine) fan too-
#85226From: SyndesisFeb 20, 1994 5:27 PM
If you don't have a "Movie Sign" bumper sticker, I'll be glad to mail you one, send me your address.
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#84991From: Jim [PolyGone Cafe]Feb 19, 1994 10:49 AM
I agree somewhat. The bottom line is to sell as many copies of 3DS, Softimage, WIndows or whatever as you can. What it means to the animators out there as 3d software becomes more affordable I don't know. Softimage is pretty much out of the individuals price range considering a decent SGI box for it a good 50k and the software, fully featured is almost double that. Then again 3DS is a bit pricey for the average animation hobbyist. Its worth every penney though for the guy/gal that makes a living on it. Its a real bargian. I like both packages and find there is room for both in my work and don't necessarily think there is a head on collision here. Jim PolyGone Cafe'
#84996From: Paul LindFeb 19, 1994 10:57 AM
Jim, I've been watching your discussions of SI for the past week or so. Are you running SI in-house? If so are you using Channels and Online? What type of box are you running it on? Paul