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#AMAX Amigas & Macs

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#57292From: WARD E. JOHNSONMay 15, 1992 6:22 AM
I find it interesting and curious to find all this discussion on the AMAX product. I own an Amiga 1000 that I bought shortly after its introduction. and also purchased the AMAXII in August of '90 and good ROMs from Oregon shortly thereafter. My Intent was to use the system to get my business off the ground with all the supported software available for the MAC. I am sorry to say that the 1000 now rests at home and is up for sale. My sons would rather put up with the noise of my offset press to use my Macs than use the Amiga at home. Printing their homework out on a laser printer still impresses the heck out of the teachers. It is truly unfortunate as I am an admirer and user of great computer systems. My background has given me expertise on systems as simple as Z80 machines and C-64's (My first Machine) to UNIX nets, TRS80-Model 1's & 4's, IBM's, Amigas & MACs. Even receiving awards and letters of commendation for being able to get data moved between these systems (Thank You CIS for my learning about RS-232 Communication Protocals & Hardware). I think all of them are great in their areas of best performance. My 1000 even has an accelerator (14MgHz). The point of this long message is that I wish I had a real use for this Machine without spending another $1.5k to get it to be close to functionality of my LC & Classic, in the context of my business, even in Mac/AmaxII mode. The Amiga has become a niche machine for DTV in my view. It has not been well supported by Commodore. I got mine because it seemed to be the best 68000 machine available at the time (Macs were just coming onto the scene at the time also) and my C64 had lots & lots of support & software. If Commodore had done the "right thing" we could have all had "girl friends" instead of "hamburgers". I had to invest in macs because the support is here & now from all corners of the earth and my business (Computer-press interagtion) required that I be productive without waiting for some dream-ware. My biggest mistake with this machine was the C-LTD drive which Ready Soft does not support, and no one seems to be able to write the AMAX driver for. I am sorry that this sounds anti-Amiga but this is my reality. Apple even carries the paper on the machines I am making $$$$ with. DON'T GET ME WRONG! I Still drool at the capabilities and potential of Amiga 3000's running 32MgHz. Running that Machine with AMAX would be the ticket for sure, and I may still do that… when I have the bread to put in a toaster. The video just blows me away. In that arena, the Amiga is still the champ! The Mac's just got easy DTV less than a year ago and let me tell you, it is not inexpensive to get. It was interesting to note that the "Toaster" was or is available with an Amiga mother board to interface with Macs. It even got mention in one of the Mac Magazines. Anyway, Just thought I would give my comments on this after watching this forum since 1985. For a while, I thought I was the only one with an AMAXII and now it has its own subtopic. WOW! Anyone interested in my hardware is welcome to respond.
#57320From: Jonathan BlackwellMay 15, 1992 5:35 PM
For the price you might pay for a low end Mac, you could get an Amiga with the AMAX II Plus which support Appletalk, etc… You could hook up your Amiga to your current Laserprinters and macs…. After using your Amiga as a MAC with virtually 100% compatibility and have the same functionality, it still costs less than a comparable MAC and you still have the awesome native Amiga OS !!! – Jonathan (still not sold on MACS!)
#57374From: WARD E. JOHNSONMay 16, 1992 6:30 AM
I am sorry to say that it's to late. My MAC was purchased 1.5 years ago and has brought about $45,000 through my door. I needed to make $$$, not spend more on a machine that was not and is still not considered a serious business machine (see my response to SYSOP Jim), though I have considered starting a DTV editing studio in a storefront somewhere. With the video craze still going on, allowing people to sit down and customize their videos at a reasonable rate still interests me. 3-4 A3000's with VCR's (2 min) at each station could be the ticket. Individual empowerment "seems" to be what it is all about. Do not get me wrong Jonathan, I still think the Amigas are the best computer out there for the price and performance, it just needs more support, visibility, and powerful business software written by a known factor in the industry (Microsoft? Apple? – both excellent softare companies). Besides, Hardware is now considered a commodity item, buying decisions these days are based 90% on software capabilities. Now, if you have got a way to get AppleTalk out of one of the Ami's ports so I don't have to turn off my LaserWriterNT, turn it around, change by switch to HP mode, replace it and switch it back on… Tell me how much it costs, what support is provided, and I'll send a check tomorrow. OH yeah, it must do AppleTalk from the native Amiga OS and I don't have to buy an A2000 or 3000. The point is, the last thing I need right now is a 4th computer that is difficult to place on the current network. Besides, your statement is "You could hook up your Amiga to your current Laserprinters and macs….". My Amiga is a 1000 and that is what I want to put to good use – in my business! Ward (not sold totally on any one computer system)
#57381From: Marlene Zenker/SYSOPMay 16, 1992 9:58 AM
> My Amiga is a 1000 and that is what I want to put to good to good use > – in my business. Since the Amiga 1000 isn't made anymore, finding a large number of options for expandibility will be hard to do. There are solutions out there, but they'll cost your some money. It's like taking the original MAC and trying to find expandibility options for it. They might be out there, but you'll have to spend the money.
#57449From: Paul ToalMay 17, 1992 6:48 AM
You want to still use the 1000? Hmmm, why don't you use an apple II instead of a Mac, it would follow your need to stay antiquated.
#57908From: Gayle Lee FairlessMay 23, 1992 5:40 PM
Now Paul, -> You want to still use the 1000? Hmmm, why don't you use an apple -> II instead of a Mac, it would follow your need to stay antiquated. Let's not go dumping on my Apple ][+! I've turned it on at least twice this year. It sits next to our Amiga and is still connected to the Amiga via a null modem for file transfer. BTW, ours is a 2000HD so we are not quite antiquated. I'm holding on to the Apple because it is worth more to me for sentimental value as my first computer, and it still works. It wouldn't bring in much money anyway. Have a nice Memorial Day weekend! Sincerely, (Mr.) Gayle Lee Fairless 'Perfessor Fearless' from the Rocket City! – via Whap!
#58057From: Paul ToalMay 25, 1992 5:57 AM
Well, OK. I also have an Apple ][+. I just dragged it out after I found a file that turns your ][+ into a SMPTE generator. It's now worth something 🙂 –Paul Whappin' from the Wine Country
#58089From: Jonathan HirschmanMay 25, 1992 5:01 PM
Paul– Can you tell me something more about this SMPTE generator program? I just chucked a Franklin Ace 1000 Apple ][+ clone, and want to know how hard I should kick myself. Jonathan – via Whap!
#58215From: Paul ToalMay 27, 1992 5:44 AM
I looked a bit for it, can't find it just yet. It was from CEFORUM or BPFORUM. It's a completely software created sempte generator out of the Apple's audio thingie. I will un-archive it and give you the details, as soon as I find it 🙂 –Paul Whappin' from the Wine Country
#58489From: Gayle Lee FairlessMay 30, 1992 12:19 AM
Paul, That must be some file to turn my Apple ][+ into a SMPTE generator from your place! 😉 BTW, what is a SMPTE generator? Is it toxic!
#58710From: Paul ToalJun 1, 1992 12:45 AM
Very funny 🙂 A SMPTE generator puts little beepy things on video tape so a video editor can find an exact frame, and or synch to an audio track. They retail for about $600. I'm going to try it, so keep an eye (or ear) on your Apple and let me know if it works. –Paul Whappin' from the Wine Country
#58718From: Gayle Lee FairlessJun 1, 1992 1:29 AM
OK, just remember that there is a time difference between here and CA! Between sleep and work, it's difficult to get all my computer time in! <@_@> Thanks for the reply! <^_^> Sincerely, (Mr.) Gayle Lee Fairless 'Perfessor Fearless' from the Rocket City. – via Whap!
#57971From: WARD E. JOHNSONMay 24, 1992 6:35 AM
Well Paul, I posted these messages with the hope of getting some type of help or suggestions to put the machine to use, not kill it or put people down. (BTW… I also live in the wine country!) Hmmm, Antiquated? Need? Apple II? Naw, not I. Now, if you have some real suggestions on how to put this "antique A1000" to good use in my offset printing business, I am willing to listen. But by the attitude I have seen on my screen from you, you must be an Ami Addict. If you had read all the messages I left, you would know that I am the boss and I don't need to be convinced that the Amiga is a great machine and performs well in it's niche. Just as the IBM's perform well in number crunching and Macs in DTP. BTW, the Mac in 1984 didn't dominate the DTP niche, just as the Amiga didn't dominate DTV. So, the decision to purchase an Amiga 1000 seemed the right path to take from C-64's and TRS-80's that I owned at the time. I used it every day at work, aboard ships, in restaurants and at home. It never missed a step and fires up quickly to accomodate the limited needs I have of it today. You must remember, what is being decided without us is that hardware is becomming a comodity item and the software companies are the controllers. They decide what gets written for what machines. Not us. I thought that the Amiga was going to get the best software and gobs of it. With the machines basic structure and true multitasking capabilities, it should be able to do anything demanded of it. It is also the only machine that I know of that will run or emulate other hardware systems. (IBM via BB, Mac via AMAX, Native OS, I even saw a C-64 emulator.) [continued in the reply]
#57972From: WARD E. JOHNSONMay 24, 1992 6:35 AM
[continued] Paul, if you are willing to discuss this rationally, leave me a private message and I will give you my phone number and/or business address, if you think there is a solution to my delemma. I don't want to sell the machine, I want it to help my business grow and show others that the Amiga can perform well in any situation. Ward E. Johnson CIS'n since '82
#58008From: David ArtMay 24, 1992 7:11 PM
Ward, Although some of the messages did seem to get a little overzealous, there was sort of a ring of truth to them. In order to be competitive in performance with the other platforms, you really should consider upgrading to an accelerated, expandable Amiga that will run Workbench 2.04. You might consider using such a machine and either ImageMaster or Art Department Professional as a single machine that could deal with almost any picture file format. Color scanning might also be a good application for such a machine. The number crunching that such applications require would make using the A1000 too slow for them in your business environment. I thought that the one suggestion to use the A1000 to accept Amiga files and transfer them to your other equipment was a good one. Do you have a walk-in counter? Another use for the A1000 might be to add AmigaVision to it and provide an interactive slide show to your customers, that would present your capabilities and prices to them. Such a system could also be used to highlight some of your lesser used options/services and show & tell your customers how they might benefit from using them. David
#58107From: WARD E. JOHNSONMay 25, 1992 11:17 PM
David, Those suggestions were well noted and taken. The other thing I was thinking about until I can afford upgrades or a newer machine was using it as a BBS system in the background while running a display. This would make it very easy for anyone with a modem to get their file to me without having to "run to the printer". The potential problem with that is keeping all the different DTP programs in-house and current, for at least Macs, Amigas and IBM's. That would be a major cost initially and updates are not cheap or free anymore. Do you know what these upgrades/replacements would run me at this time? The system currently consists of an Base A1000 with an accelerator to 14 Mhz, 1.3 Kickstart roms aboard that w/clock, Starboard with M/F board and 1 Meg Ram for a total of 1.75 Megs (due to Kickstart Roms), 1 external Amiga floppy drive, and a C-Ltd 50 Meg hard drive & interface. Also the AMAX][ with Roms and a Mac 800K Drive. Thanks to those that suggested these uses and any more are welcome. Ward CIS'n since '82
#58583From: David ArtMay 31, 1992 12:32 AM
Ward, In terms of your list, a stock 25MHz A3000/50 would have all the accessories that you have on your A1000 built in, with the exception of the external floppy and the Amax setup, which you should be able to use with it. Plus, the A3000 would be much faster, comes with WB 2.04, and a lot more expandable. To answer your question, the upgrade price would be the price of an A3000/50.
#58111From: Erik FlomMay 25, 1992 11:38 PM
Ward, I have been following a few messages on this thread, and while there is some credence to the comments re: Ami Addicts, you should also realize that the 1000 is NOT the machine you should be using – especially if you want to show that the Amga can 'perform well in any situation'. It is basically like trying to take a souped up Mac 128K and trying to run system 7.0 and then telling everyong about the 'power of Macintosh'. I have been a netadmin for the last year, and have been using IBMs, Macs, and other platforms intensively. If you are doing DTP, then use either IBM or Mac, any other decision is a waste of time. If you are an artist, and money is no object, buy a Mac. They ARE the best for the 'average [non-technical]' artist. If you are serious about using the Amiga in your workplace you should use nothing less than an 030-25Mhz Amiga w/ STANDARD ZORROII (or higher) expansion slots. I used to use an A1000 with Micorbotics SCSI controller and 2.5 MB RAM. The day I got my A3000 (2 years ago [before the handwriting was on the wall . . .]), it improved my productivity nearly as much as when I made the transition from a floppy based system to using an HD on my A1000. I understand your desire to still use computer you have invested so much in, but to knock AMAX for not supporting a drive made by some obscure out-of-business peripheral manufacturer who built a (probably non-standard) disk interface (is it even SCSI?), is a little out of line. I have used the AMAX with both my Microbotics and the Amiga 3000 SCSI controllers and have had no problems in the last 3 years. If you are set on keeping your 1000, then at least consider the Phoenix board, which will give you SOME chance of making the 1000 into a machine worthy of use in a business env. In closing, I wish you the best of luck trying to achieve your desired results. I must admit they might be a little unrealistic and possibly even unachievable. Erik Flom
#58295From: RicoMay 27, 1992 11:42 PM
Does AMAX have a Microbotics Hardframe SCSI controller driver to access the drives or are you using another driver? Since the Hardframe driver is in the chip on the controller. Thanks Rico – via Whap!
#58344From: Erik FlomMay 28, 1992 5:05 PM
ACK! I'd like to answer your question, but I sold my Amiga 1000 when I got my 3000 a few years ago. In retrospect, I am trying to remember if I EVER used the HD stuff w/ my Microbotics contoller. I may have gotten the AMAX upgrade after getting my 3000, I can't remember. I do remember that it was a Microbotics StarBoardII w/2.5MB Ram, and optional SCSI interface. It did not use the Rigid Disk Block format that is standard on my 3000, so I think I would have remembered trying to get the AMAX partition setup. Try calling ReadySoft at (416)731-4175. As long as you are a registered user, they will be very helpful.
#58296From: WARD E. JOHNSONMay 27, 1992 11:48 PM
Erik, Thanks for your comments. I've already got Macs and the much mentioned A1000. What does "Handwriting on the wall" mean to you? I'm not sure what you are trying to get across there. Knock the AMAX? Sorry you took it that way. I have been around long enough to realize that it is the HD that is the problem, not the AMAX. it is a case of getting hardware when affordable. If I'ld had a crystal ball, I'ld have known to not get a C-Ltd drive period. Salesmen sometimes see commissions and are not concerned about what is happening with the company that is providing them. What is the Phoenix board? What does it do? What does it have to enhance my system? I haven't heard of this as I barely have time to find a copy of Amiga World … much less read it. Thanks, Ward CIS'n since '82
#58331From: Steven D. KapplinMay 28, 1992 2:08 PM
Ward, Does your message mean you need the amax driver for the cltd controller? If so let me know, I have it.
#58402From: WARD E. JOHNSONMay 29, 1992 1:36 AM
Steven, Yes, I do mean exactly that. I had even gone so far as to track down the person that originally wrote the C-Ltd. drivers. I don't even remember his name but he seemed un-interested in writing a driver for the AMAX. It would be great to put this machine into some kind of use in my environment, in a Mac mode. I'll take one to go. Ward CIS'n since '82
#58453From: Steven D. KapplinMay 29, 1992 8:04 PM
Which Cltd controller do you have? Is it the Kronos or the original? I also have the last versions of the Kronos software. I also have a Kronos controller (A2000 version). You're welcome to the software. I have the Amax driver, although I never have used it. Give me an address and I will send you a disk.
#58354From: Erik FlomMay 28, 1992 5:29 PM
re: "Handwriting on the wall" – I'm not sure myself what I was referring to in my previous message, but it probably had to do with the feeling that ALL other platforms are racing ahead with continual improvements to bothe their hardware platforms and software features, while Commodor flounders around, trying to figure out how to most effectively kill off what remains of their sales in North America. As for my thinking you were knocking the AMAX, my humble apologies. I was just rallying to the defense of a product that has worked well for me for years. I understand what it's like buying into hardware from a company that goes out of business. I didn't even know C Ltd. had folded. Since I am the proud owner of alot of equipment in standards that no longer exist, I know it is easy to get swayed by features and price alone w/o knowing what will happen a few years down te road. The Phoenix board is a plug-in replacement for your A1000 motherboard. It retails for $850 and has the following: 2MB CHIP RAM onboard, SCSI controller w/ RDB support, switch selectable OS ROMs, A2000 video slot (NOT Toaster compatible – at last report), 8MB RAM internal exp (optional), 68881/2 socket, ECS Super Denise upgrade also. It is available from The Grapevine Group – 1-800-292-7445. I haven't heard any reviews of the product, so 'caveat emptor'. Erik Flom
#58401From: WARD E. JOHNSONMay 29, 1992 1:36 AM
Erik, Thanks for the information on the Phoenix board. You didn't mention what flavor of 68xxx it uses. As for Commodore floundering around with killing north american sales, I'm not suprised to hear that. I did however have a client come into the office today and state that his daughter, who is in Europe, say that Amigas are a very popular machine in that land. Thanks again for the info. I am going to check out Steven Kapplin's message about him having an AMAX driver for the C-Ltd controller. Ward CIS'n since '82
#58944From: Erik FlomJun 3, 1992 1:21 PM
Ward, I didn't mention which 68XXX the Phoenix board uses because the ad didn't say which (Since they weren't touting it, they probably use a 68000 at 14Mhz [maybe 7Mhz]), but I think it is supposed to be compatible with plug-in accelerators (useful if you already own one, I guess :^). Rumor has it that the next line of Commodore computers won't even sport the Amiga name, because of the stigma attached to it. Just got my AMAXII v2.5 SW/HW and it includes twelve SCSI drivers for different controllers. I didn't see one that looked like 'cltd.amhd' or such, but you might want to check out the upgrade package. Keep On Toastin' Erik Flom
#58525From: Jonathan HirschmanMay 30, 1992 12:10 PM
Erik (and Ward); Buying a board from Cltd. was truly an education for me. I learned that I had to ditch the thing ASAP, and did so when GVP offered their Series II tradeup deal a couple years back. I was so happy with the deal that I wrote them a letter of gratitude, and also asked them to bury my Kronos in the nearest landfill (so that no one could possible get their hands on that curse). The techies called me to commend me on my good taste in HD controllers, and to thank me for the entertaining letter…. There what appears to be an objective review of the Phoenix board in the new AmigaWorld (has the CDTV drive for the 500 on the cover). Check it out. Jonathan – via Whap!
#58946From: Erik FlomJun 3, 1992 1:32 PM
Jonathan, I also thank you for your humorous description of your problems. I have been in seventh heaven since I got my 3000 and was able to foist my Microbotics StarBoard and SCSI contoller off on someone else. The Rigid Disk Block format is probably the biggest godsend to amiga users in a while. I will try to check out the review, as my uncle (the sucker who bought my A1000 [at a great price though!]) might be interested. Keep On Toastin' Erik Flom
#58058From: Paul ToalMay 25, 1992 5:57 AM
Ward, Yes, I am an Ami addict. You didn't think you would come away unscathed after a remark like that, did you? 🙂 –Paul Whappin' from the Wine Country
#58106From: WARD E. JOHNSONMay 25, 1992 11:17 PM
Paul, OK, I'll accept it for what it is. I noticed in another thread that there resides an "old apple core" in your closet. Even you have a us for some old equipment. If I had my way about it, there would be rainbow checkmarks everywhere in my office and shop, not rainbow apples with bites missing from the side. I got two good suggestions so far. One to use it as a display of services that customers may not know about and the other was to convert files from people that own amigas to hard laser output or transfer to lino film services. A great idea BTW because I get the offset printing 90% of the time from clients like this. they own apples and no lasers of any kind. The former idea is good too as I used that at my first location that was in a storefront. It seemed I got more curiosity about the Amiga than the services being displayed. I did enjoy the heck out of displaying the Ami's capabilities. Lets call the "scathings" to an end. Good luck with your SMPTE file work and let me know if you want to meet in person. BTW, I live in Sonoma Co. CA and have not heard of any Ami user groups around here. Do you know of any? Thanks for the scathing. It is sometimes enjoyable. Ward CIS'n since '82
#58216From: Paul ToalMay 27, 1992 5:44 AM
We're getting closer as we speak 🙂 Ever here of a place named Rodent Park. It might be fun to have lunch together, between elevator emergencies that is. Re-Amiga is the local SIG. Re as in Redwood Empire. I'll stay in touch, scathing is only done between 3am-5am 🙂 –Paul Whappin' from the Wine Country
#58430From: Chris MorganMay 29, 1992 3:43 PM
Just hoppin' in here to give my two cents… Not to knock Amax (especially since us Canadians are supposed to stick together) but I have my beefs with it. I run an BBS, and using a non-multitasking product seemed impossible, and I was actually quite upset, because I needed something to emulate the Mac, which I use regularily at work. I also was put off by the black & white aspect. anyway, I was reading this past weeks AM-Report (found here) and I discovered that a company in Arizona has developed at MULTITASKING, COLOUR Mac emulator called Emplant. I called them up and had a heart-to-heart with one of their techies, and decided that, though it seems too good to be true it might just work. I ordered one, and should receive it sometime around the begining of August. I will give you all a full report on it then, but you should probably read about it anyway, because it might finally provide us nutso Amiga fanatics with a way to keep the wolf from the door!!
#58444From: Jonathan BlackwellMay 29, 1992 6:48 PM
I just got documentation in the mail about the EMPLANT board. Looks pretty good… I'm gonna wait on a AMAX II Plus purchase until I hear about the EMPLANT. It has drivers to use the Serial ports on the Amiga side. That alone might be worth the $250 !!!
#58456From: Lee GranthamMay 29, 1992 8:29 PM
Hi folks: I came in late on this thread. Where can I find out about this Emplant? What "level" of Mac would this thing emulate? Is it compatible with Amiga accelerator boards? Is one of the company's honchos on CIS? Any info is appreciated………………………Lee
#58739From: Jonathan BlackwellJun 1, 1992 12:00 PM
I talked to the VP of Utilities Unlimited and they are in the production stage of the Emplant and are actively taking orders. According to there tests, they are surpassing AMAX's compatibility percentage. They recommend a n accelerator with MMU otherwise it will be slow, especially in the color mode. 32 bit quickdraw is handled in a combination of the software emulator and the ROM-SIMM. 16 colors are supported on the regular Amiga screens and 256 colors, etc on third party video boards. He did mention that some color displays for the Amiga will not be the best solution. His suggestion was to have a high end video board, IE: Rambrandt, FC 24, or the new GVP EGS. Other color adaptors will work but will be slooooow! The best thing about the EMPLANT is the option to use the serial ports a multi-serial port card on the Amiga side (worth the cost of the emulator already) and the option to MultiTask with the AmigaOS. PhotoShop has been tested and works on the EMPLANT! It is supposed to ship in July. I'm going to hold off on any purchase of a MAC emulator until I see some real reviews of the product. The AMAX II+ is a fine product, but I'm going to wait and see what the Emplant can offer me. As far as Atari ST and 386/486 emulators – those are future options. NOT on the same board, but on similar EMPLANT boards. The "dbesign" of the EMPLANT leaves the option open for lot's of different emulation options….. I got mail the other day and it's basically the same info that's been floating around the net, except it has the option to order ahead of time….. -Jonathan
#58743From: Lee GranthamJun 1, 1992 1:37 PM
Thanks, Jonathan; if it does all it's claiming to it oughta be one heck of a piece of hardware. I'm looking forward to its debut. Lee
#58469From: Paul ToalMay 29, 1992 10:45 PM
That sounds like an intriguing product. What impressed you the most about your talk with the Emplant folks? What do you use the Mac for at work? I've come real close a few times to buying a used Mac. But the space it would take makes me cringe.
#58526From: Jonathan HirschmanMay 30, 1992 12:10 PM
Huh? Utilities Unlimited is really taking orders for the Emplant thing? How much did they rip you…er…charge you for their "product"? (:)) Don't take this the wrong way…I might have my company order one up for "product evaluation".
#58578From: Charles HillMay 31, 1992 12:18 AM
Chris, Hmmmm….I hope you didn't get ripped. While I reported what I have hear about Emplant, I do not have any FIRST HAND knowledge of the existence of the product. From what I read, it is interesting but technically I am puzzled. They say that most of the emulation is done on the Emplant hardware, though the Amiga's CPU is used. For an Amiga to run both it's own OS *and* a foreign OS at the same time must be one heck of a strain on the CPU. The Mac OS is quite complicated and the Amiga's is no creampuff either. As for emulating a *color* Mac…I have *serious* doubts. The Mac's color (if I am not mistaken) is handled by QuickDraw or QuickDraw32. The fast boards have ROMs with QuickDraw in them, though it is also available in software (a folder). UU says it has drivers for popular graphics boards to remap and use them for color. Since Mac color is usually 640×400 then that leaves DCTV, Colorburst and HAME out of the picture. The IV-24 board's refresh rate is too slow for anything but buffered still images. The Firecracker might be able to handle it, and I have no question about GVP's EGS, the Rambrandt or DMI Resolver. The statement in the brochure that says the design allows for multiple emulators to use a single board *at the same time* sounds like pure BS. Granted, and Amiga, Mac and Atari ST all use the MC680x0 family and the Mac and ST are technically simple enough to emulate — not at the same time. As for emulating a PC286 or 386…I don't think so. Not with any sort of speed. The stripped price on the Emplant ($149? $199?) is too cheap to have any custom hardware like an 80386, 68030 or RISC processor. Any if it relies on the Amiga's CPU I will remain skeptical. Still, if it works it will be a major breakthrough. I wish them the best and hope to see about getting an evaluation unit. Either way, when they ship AM-Report will cover it.
#58740From: Scott HarrisJun 1, 1992 12:20 PM
>Since Mac color is usually 640×400 The most common Mac color size is 640 x 480. But Mac screen size is not OS-determined. It can be any size the video circuitry calls for (although it probably requires a minimum of 512 x 342 – though even that could probably be mapped "virtually" and wouldn't have to be displayed all at once). ===Scott
#58745From: Charles HillJun 1, 1992 2:25 PM
Hmmm, I've seen both figures (640×400 and 640×480). The x480 is probably correct. Still, it can be mapped to an Amiga screen using overscan and/or PAL (on SuperDenise machines). I see what you mean about the 512×342 minimum. Wasn't that the size of the original Mac screen? -Chas
#59316From: Scott HarrisJun 6, 1992 5:44 PM
Yes, 512 x 342 was the original Mac screen. You've probably seen the 640 x 400 number in reference to the portables. That's the resolution of the built-in screen of the Powerbooks. But I've never seen any stand-alone monitor for the Mac that was designed for 640 x 400. Apple makes a number of Mac monitors at assorted resolutions. I may be off a bit on some of these, but as I recall they are: 512 x 384 (12" color), 640 x 480 (12" monochrome, 13" color), 640 x 870 (15" portrait), 832 x 624 (16" color), 1152 x 870 (two page). And the aforementioned built-in 512 x 342 on the little Macs and 640 x 400 on the portables. Many other resolutions are available with third-party monitors. As I said, the Mac OS itself doesn't care what these numbers are. The bigger they are, the more it displays. Unlike the Amiga, the Mac really has only one video mode. It is based on 72 dpi – that is, 72 pixels on the screen represent one inch of printed output. So the bigger you make those "resolution" numbers, the more inches of a page you can see. That also means that if match large numbers with a small screen, everything will look small. Most manufacturers try to match the size of the screen to the number of dots so that 72 pixels on screen will actually be about an inch. The only other variable is bit depth. Depending on the video circuitry in a given Mac, you can pick various bit depths up to 24. Normally you'd probably just leave it set for the highest bit depth your video circuitry supports, but sometimes you want to run at a lower bit depth to increase the speed of screen redraws. ===Scott
#58913From: John GagerJun 3, 1992 1:58 AM
Chris: When you do receive your Emplant, I'm sure we would all be interested in a mini-review. I'm holding off ordering one because of the nasty things I've heard about Utilities Unlimited. But like you said, they might just be able to pull it off. John – K7KB (via Whap!)
#57544From: Jonathan BlackwellMay 18, 1992 8:12 PM
Trying to compare an A1000 with current MAC is not fair. At that time, the MAC 512 was the greatest thing around. Update your Amiga to current standards and it will blow away a MAC (any model)… -Jonathan
#57745From: Steven D. KapplinMay 21, 1992 6:49 PM
Ward, What I find remarkable about your comments is that you bought an Amiga to make money in DTP, or so it seems by your commentary. Why? At the time you bought the Amiga 1000 the DTP market belonged to the Mac. Why didn't you buy Macs to start with?
#57773From: Andre PageMay 21, 1992 10:34 PM
Here's a few ideas to get your A1000 into your business. Connect it to one of your macs through the serial port using a null modem cable. Then take in postscript output on Amiga disks transfer it to the macs and send it to the Laser printers using the Send PS program. That way you could tap into the small but growing Amiga DTP community. Advertise or mention to people that you can output Amiga files so Amiga people can find you. There are very few places that will accept Amiga disks for output and you would probably be well received. Another Idea would be to use it for an in store presentation system to inform and educate your customers about your business and the serv services you provide. This would utilize the Amigas talents very well. / / / //ANDRE