#CD ROM install?
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Hi Michael,
Well, it's an on going saga. I installed CDx and mounted cd0:. It says it's
mounted, but nothing happens when I put in a cd rom. It goes in and the
light goes on, but no Fred Fish. When I try to cd to it I get your basic
"object not found". The install seemed to work,all the files were put in
their little directories, but when I ran SCSI_lister there was only a
listing for my quantum harddrive as #6. The Devise list utility gives it as
unit 4 and boot priority 0. I think I set the DIP switches correctly to ID
#4.,following docs for drive. What did I do wrong?! I know I should have
tested BEFORE I put yukie case together.
\c/
via Coolwhap __|__ Gracia
Gracia:
I'm going to quote myself here (from the dreaded text that strated this
whole nightmare for you):
"I don't have the software for the CD drive yet (you need to add a filing
system to your devs directory) but I was able to flip the 'test' DIP
switch to 'on', plug in my headphones to the drive, pop a CD in the caddy,
and listen to my audio CD's. I'm assuming that is a pretty good indication
that the CDROM drive is working… "
SCSI_Lister should show you the CD Drive. By any chance did you leave the
TEST dip switch in the ON position? How is the external scsi cable
terminated? (at the last device? at the case?) What position is the ARBT
switch in? Once the termination is set properly, and a unique ID set, you
should be able to just power on the drive and run SCSI_Lister (before even
mounting the drive) and have it show up.
When I run SCSI_Lister, I get:
Using "scsi.device" —
Unit #0: No unit
Unit #1: No unit
Unit #2: TOSHIBA CD-ROM DRIVE:XM Rev:3232
etc…
If all of the above checks out, teh CDx software should work fine, but:
Did you specify 'scsi.device' in the CDx Installation procedure, as well
as tell it that the CD drive is at scsi id# 4? Were you able to select
TOSHIBA XM 3201B from the list of supported drives during the CDx set up
procedure, and after all of that, did you select 'KEEP' to save the
selections you made?
I guess something else I didn't mention in my EXTEXP.LHA file was that I
never put the cover back on the case until I'm sure I ve got something
working. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if half the Amiga users out
there that have ever opened their case to add/change something haven't
bothered to replace more than one screw (_if_ they replaced the case at
all!). Yes, the case should be on to ensure proper shielding and
grounding… but… <g>
When I run SCSI_Lister, I get:
Using "scsi.device" —
Unit #0: No unit
Unit #1: No unit
Unit #2: TOSHIBA CD-ROM DRIVE:XM Rev:3232
Unit #3: No unit
<continued>
Michael,
At the risk of being really dumb, how do you get the tape drive mounted? I
installed Ami-Back, which I was given to understand did all that. Am I
assuming correctly or making you know what of u and me?
I left the CD ROM dip switches down (default) except for the 3rd to the
right which I put up (001=ID#4). I left the Tape drive at defaults since
it was set to ID#0 and the guys at Moonlighter say that was cool. This
SHOULD give me Quantum HD ID#6 (unit 6 in SCSI_lister: the others are NOT
listed), CD ROM ID #4, and Tape drive ID #0, yes?
BTW what does dip switch instruction in cd rom docs mean "the actual
settings by the switches are changed only after the power is turned ON, if
any settings are changed turn the power OFF once and ON again." Again I
"assume" it means you turn off machine, change settings and then turn on
again, at which time new setting takes over, the normal way to do
things….or is there some hidden message there <;^}>?
P.S. I don't own a music CD to test drive! No Hi Fi equipment at all. We
"grits" can only handle one new toy at a time <g>.
Gracia, on AP and hoping for the best.
Gracia:
Ok… you have the dip switches set properly on the CD Drive.
Does the tape drive show up when you run SCSILister?
You didn't tell me how you have this external setup terminated… and that
is of the utmost importance. If the Archive Viper is terminated (mine has
terminators on it), and the CD Drive is _physically_ located on the scsi
bus after the tape drive, the CD drive can't be recognized by the host
controller.
The note in the docs about power on/off just means that if you change the
dip switch settings on the CD Drive, the new settings won't take effect
until you power down, and then power on again (just like re-booting the
Amiga to get an assign command you added to your startup-sequence to take
effect).
As far as the Tape Drive goes… no, it doesn't need to be mounted because
it is not the same type of device as a hard drive, or CD drive, which
require filesystems… it's more like a scanner on the scsi bus. The
software you use (AMIBACK) just has to know how to access the scsi bus,
and be able to configure itself (either internally or throught the use of
device drivers) to access the device. In the case of AmiBack, the software
itself has an option that will 'read' the scsi bus and determine which
tape drive you have and how AmiBack should access it. So, in short, you
don't need to mount the tape drive. If you have any questions regarding
the set up of AmiBack for use with the Archive Viper, let me know. The
AmiBack documentation is pretty complete… but I found it a bit technical
and hard to follow at first.
Let me know about the termination on your external stuff… It sounds like
that is where the trouble is.
BTW, if the tape drive IS terminated, just try switching the scsi
connectors (from the tape drive to the CD drive).
Michael,
Just so we're speaking the same language: the CD ROM has NO terminators ID
#4, the tape drive came with terminators just as yours did (hiden
underneath, I think) and I left it at the default settings ID #0; I put
the CD ROM on bottom of case, tape on top: I have a round cable connected
to SCSI port on CPU at one end and a 50 pin female centronics at one end
of ribbon cable which is in bottom knock out space in case, continues on
to CD ROM and is connected with 50 pin plastic (I don't know what one
calls them) female to 50 pin male on drive, then continues on to Tape
drive and connected the same way; the ribbon cable then continues on and
ends with 2nd female 50 pin centronics in top knock out space. This
translates to the tape drive being the last in line and terminated,
correct?
Lights go on, the CD RON takes disk, turns on light, spins for a minute
and then…voila….nothing. cd0: is kind of there: DEVS has it, info
tells me it's there but "unreadable disk", even DiskMaster shows it, I
just can't cd to it or get a dir or USE it <;^}>.
Chris tested the cable so I pretty sure it's good, possibly the plastic
connectors need a good health push to make a connection. The tape slider
did move with a little pressure, so I'll try all my new tricks tomorrw
(John bitches if I stay in the studio too long at night).
Gracia,
Those plastic connectors are called headers. The ones with the metal
clips on them are centronics connectors, I've heard them called "Blue
Ribbon" connectors/headers (maybe 'cause they're blue in color?). Yes, I
did test the cable. Had it hooked to my Syquest and External Tape units. I
had Ami-Back rewind and retension a tape, then had it reconstruct a file
catalog from one of my tapes already used for a backup. I did all this
while Autopiloting in and out of CIS, and wrote files to the Syquest
drive, so I feel safe in saying that the ribbon cable is assembled and
tested OK. I would suggest you trying one device at a time. Terminated and
if that don't work unterminated. Choose one of the devices, CDROM sounds
to me like the one you want working NOW, so I'd use it first. If it
doesn't work after all the incantations, black spells, voodoo curses,
etc., then try the tape unit by itself. Let's get one working first, then
we'll work on getting them working in unison with the rest of the system.
Chris
Gracia…
When INFO reports that CD0: is there but unreadable, all that means is
that you have issued the MOUNT CD0: command and the mount command found an
entry in your mountlist. It doesn't mean that the drive is _really_ there.
In fact, if leave the power to your external box OFF and boot, INFO will
still show you:
Mounted disks:
Unit Size Used Free Full Errs Status Name
CD0: Unreadable disk
The fact that the drive accepts a disks, the light comes on, and then goes
tells me that the drive is most likely working properly.
I think you said you're using the CDx s/w from Xetec, right?
Look in your Devs:Mountlist file… your CDx entry should look like this:
/* CDx CD-ROM entry. Created by CDinstall v1.76, DO NOT EDIT! */
cd0: Device = scsi.device/0/0/4/0/20018/0/4/4E20
FileSystem = l:CDxFileSystem
Unit = 4
Mount = 1
Flags = 0
Surfaces = 1
LowCyl = 0
HighCyl = 1000
Reserved = 2
BlocksPerTrack = 20
Buffers = 10
BufMemType = 1
Stacksize = 6000
Priority = 10
GlobVec = -1
MaxTransfer = 0x00FFFFFF
Mask = 0x7FFFFFFE
DosType = 0x444F5304
Make certain that CDxFilesystem is in your l: directory.
Your cable (after the tape drive) has two 'stubs' that are open and
unterminated… I don't know if this makes any difference or not. I would
try to plug the physically last connector in to the tape drive, if
possible.
BTW, you might want to take the MOUNT CD0: command out of your startup
sequence (just put a ";" (semicolon) in front of it) and issue the mount
command manually. I do it this way (actually from an IconX icon) because I
don't always have my external box powered up when I boot. Also, ScsiLister
_will_ show the CDROM Drive if the box power is on, even if the device has
not yet been mounted.
Let me know your progress.
. * <——-
. | (would you believe a single rose
<continued>
. U in a vase to make you smile?)
" U in a vase to make you smile?)"
?
that's the problem with these "continued with next message" feature. It
doesn't show you the continuation. You have to check it yourself. BTW how
many lines will it accept (autopilot) before it makes a continued
message?
Michael,
The last connector on the cable is the second 50 pin centronics, which
is the pass-thru. It doesn't need termination on it, the other two
connectors are female headers and are clamped directly to the ribbon,
there are no stub ribbons on the main ribbon. I'm using the exact cable
design with two SCSI devices, one tape the other syquest. The Syquest is
terminated and the pass-thru centronics is open. If you look in any
expansion box from GVP or any other pre-assembled unit with pass-thru
you'll find the exact same cable design. My CLtd external 5.25"
full-height ST-506 Priam has the same ribbon setup and it is a single
device that consumes the entire space of the same box as my duo setup and
its pass-thru is the same design.
Chris
Chris,
In the very near future the "problem" with multi-part messages will go
away. CompuServe is dramatically increasing the size of messages. This
new software is now live in the test forums (AmigaTech is one of the beta
test forums).
-sja
Michael,
Thanks, our messages always cross because I answer the next day and
download before I get your answer to the night before <g>. It's just that
I'm cheap and don't like to pay 50 cents a minute so only do one ru a
day.
My mount list is the same as yours (even to unit 4) and the file system is
in L: I may change to ID for the tape drive as Erik sugested and see if
that works
The rose made me smile indeed!
Gracia on AutoPilot flying blind! May Day!
I may be wrong, but leaving a device on a SCSI bus with ID #0 is a no-no.
Try setting the tape drive to something other than 0 (4 maybe?)
Good luck.
Erik Flom
Erik,
ID 0 is fine, as long as the host adapter isn't also set at ID 0.
All that matters is that no two ID's are the same.
Don
Yeah, but isn't it more standard if the host adapter is set to #0?
Or is it #7? Now that I engage the grey matter, I think it is?
Oh well, to quote Gilda Radner . . .
'Never Mind.'
Keep On Toastin'
Erik Flom
Erik,
Well…up until I started playing with SCSI on the Amiga, every
host adapter I'd every used came set at ID 0. These were on mini and
supermini UNIX computers.
However, since then, we've gotten in a supermini where the host
adapter is set at 7, and most of the host adapters for the Amiga come set
at ID 7.
In all honesty, it really doesn't matter what the ID is until two
or more devices want on the bus at once…when that occurs, the higher ID
gets priority.
Under those conditions, I can make an argument for the host adapter
being at either ID 0 or ID 7 <grin>. I do believe tape drives should be at
higher ID's though…that can avoid a fair amount of
start-stop-rewind-start activity on a heavily loaded system.
Don
I asked the guys at Moonlighter about that and they said it was OK, but I
had second thoughts about it. I may ty a change. Now I'll have to get to
Radio Shack and find those "Berg' clips <g>. See, I read everthing on this
forum religously.
Thanks
Gracia on AutoPilot flying blind! May Day!
Can I jump in here with some of my own troubles? I have the same drive
and it worked fine for about six months and then just sort of faded away.
It started by not reading certain discs. Sometimes booting with the disc
in the drive would solve the problem but after awhile it would read fewer
and fewer discs. At this point it won't read any discs, ROM or audio.
The GVP software I use reports the drive as there but won't read a disc in
the drive.
One thing I noticed is that when a disc is inserted the drive light blinks
a few times and then stays on steady. When the drive worked it would
blink and then go out unless it was reading from the disc.
Anybody have a clue as to what could cause this? Could the drive need
cleaning? How do you clean one of these suckers anyway. The drive ran
fine under both the CDROM-FS software and the Xetec software.
-=> Paul McCarthy <=- on AutoPilot from New York City
Sorry Paul.. not a clue.
Paul;
It sure sounds like the drive is not reading the disc. Cleaning would be
in order but not sure how you'd go about doing it.
-bill
Paul: If you insert a CD in the Toshiba drives and the light flashes about
once every 2 seconds, it's telling you that the lens needs cleaning. If it
stays on steady that means there is something wrong with the Laser itself.
I would still go ahead and buy a good lens cleaning disc and see if that
helps.
John – K7KB (Flying via AutoPilot)
Unit #4: QUANTUM P105S 910-10-94x Rev:A.3
Unit #5: ARCHIVE VIPER 150 21247 Rev:-011
Unit #6: QUANTUM P80S 980-80-94xx Rev:A.2
Device version 37.19 — scsidisk 37.19 (10.5.91)
If all else fails… send me an email and I'll reply with my phone #.
I don't think you're more than a few minutes away from getting this thing
up & running. <keeping fingers crossed… which is hard to do and type
at the same time>
Gracia, I've found that if SCSI_Lister doesn't recognize a drive is out
there then there is nothing in the CDx software that will do you any good.
Recheck your dip switch settings & cables. Make sure one of the dip
switches wasn't left in the test mode. For a SCSI ID of 4, dip switch 4
(which is actually 3rd from the left) must be up (1). All other dip
switches should be down (0).
John – K7KB (Flying via AutoPilot)
John,
I'm sure the dip switches are correct, BUT I'm going to take off the cover
and work on it naked to make sure. Info says cd0: is there as "unreadable"
disk, and it is not listed as mounted. Devs & user startup have all the
correct info. I can't find anything for the tape drive. The tape drive is
terminated and is my last in line in the box ie. cable from cpu SCSI to
case's female 50 pin centronics connector, to CD ROM (ID #4)to tape drive
w/terminator via ribbon cable (ID #0), to empty 50 pin female connector.
The tape drive "slider" is about 1/2 inch to the right so I can't get tape
in. As a good daughter of an engineer, I never force anything and it
doesn't want to move easily. I'll call Moonlighter and see if all is well
there.
I think there is a book in the making if someone can explain in clear
ENGLISH all the different protocals, cables, connectors, boards, and add
all the caveats…what DOESN'T go with what, what you really need after
you've spent x dollars on that GREAT new board, case, new computer!!!! I
know it's out there somewhere, but it would be nice to find must of it in
one place just as a reference when one goes to tackle a new hardware job.
I learned a lot doing this, unfortunately at some expense and a lot of
frustration, and it isn't over till the fat lady sings.
Gracia
Gracia:
For the heck of it… unplug the scsi cable from the tape drive and plug
the LAST connector on the cable in to the tape drive.
The slider on the tape drive should push to the side… it takes a bit of
a shove… but not so much that you feel like you are forcing it. It
should slide to the left to eject a tape, and to the right to lock one in
(and move the tape drive's head against the tape.).
cover and work on it naked to make sure.
Hehe, the thought of seeing you naked while you worked on your CD-Rom
drive would be quite a sight Gracia <g>, but I know what you mean. One
thing you might try is booting up your system with a CD-Rom installed in
the drive. Sometimes the drive will not be recognized unless there is some
time of readable media available, and that apply's to SyQuest drives as
well. And as far as the book goes, I sure wouldn't want to write the
series. And when I say series it would probably be the size of an
Encyclopedia!
John – K7KB (Flying via AutoPilot)
My studio is about 60 degrees, it wouldn't be a pretty sight <giggle>.
I tried to boot with CD ROM in drive, nothing. When I say the drive is
mounted, I mean everthing EXCEPT SCSI_lister and the WB screen seem to
show it. When I run SCSI_Lister it shows only my harddrive as ID#6 so
obviously something is not kosher. The cable was tested before it was sent
and it does communicate with the cpu on some level…yes? The software did
seem to reject "scsi.device" as a controller, but that's what is given
when I click on Amiga 3000 in the list of controllers. Maybe there's a
sceret to that, just like it being the only software I've ever used that
demanded the original disk…without informing one in the manual.
Gracia
On AutoPilot and flying blind! Mayday!
"When I say the drive is mounted, I mean everthing EXCEPT SCSI_lister and
the WB screen seem to show it"
Gracia… That means that the MOUNT command is being executed, NOT that
the drive is actually being 'seen' on the scsi bus.
Is the tape drive being recognized by scsi_lister? If not, unplug the
ribbon cable from the CD-ROM Drive (leaving the tape drive connected) and
see if you can get scsi_lister to see the drive. That _must_ be your first
step, since that is the terminated last device on the bus.
Someone else mentioned that scsi id# 0 might be the problem, so, just to
be safe, why not change it to id#1.
Well I'll certainly be an apprentice nerd after this..let's see that will
be 2 yrs and then 7 yrs journeyman..<g>.
My weekend is certainly cut out for me.
Gracia on AutoPilot flying blind! May Day!
when you get this finished your reward will be your very own pocket
protector with gold gilt edged trim. B^). Oh yeah, plus 14 pens, each a
different color ink!
Chris
Hmmm….well if it helps any, here is what CD_Install shows for my 3000
and Toshiba drive:
. Device Name: CD0:
. Unit: 1
. Stack: 6000
. Priority: 5
.
. (Options Page on the right of the display)
.
. Auto Disc changes (selected)
. Auto-Mount on Startup (selected)
. CDTV Emulation (selected)
. CDDA Click action: Built-in
.
. (Page 2 of options – Buffering)
.
. Standard Buffering: 30
. Read Ahead Buffering (selected): 30
. Memory type for each: Any
.
. (Page 3 of options – Mac options)
.
. Cache Disc Catalog (selected)
. Max Memory: 100000
. Default Fork: Data
.
. (Bottom display of CD_Install)
.
. CD-Rom Drive: Toshiba XM-3201B
. SCSI Controller: Amiga 3000
. SCSI Device Name: scsi.device
. SCSI Direct Flags: 0
. Data Read Method: SCSI Direct (EXT)
. SCSI ID: 4
. Addr Mask: FFFFFFFE
. MaxTransfer: 001FFFFF
And that's it! Like I said though, if SCSI_Lister is not showing the
Toshiba then CDx_Install won't do much either. Just for the heck of it
Gracia, you might try setting your SCSI ID dip switches on your Toshiba to
try different ID's, and run SCSI_Lister each time after you change it. A
friend of mine who had a GVP controller could only make the the
SCSI_Lister program recognize the drive when it was set for SCSI ID 4, but
actually you should be able to use any ID that is not already being used
by something else. Maybe your Toshiba only likes being set to 1 particular
SCSI ID itself.
John – K7KB (Flying via AutoPilot)
Mine are pretty much the same. But when I go to save I get " warning:
cannot find device called SCSI.device". I have a standard 3000 with no
extra boards. Of course there is no scsi.device in devs, but the mountlist
file for the CDx CD ROM says "device = scsi.device/0/0/4/1/20018/1/4/2710"
so something gets found when I tell it to go ahead any way.
I shall pull the dumb case apart and start a systematic search for scsi
Nirvana. Thanks for help.
Gracia on AutoPilot flying blind! May Day!
are you sure it says "can not find device called SCSI.device" and not "can
not find device called scsi.device"? I think that the device driver name
is case sensitive. Can you change it to all lower case and see if that
makes a difference?
It says "scsi.device"…Just lost my head and wrote SCSI here on forum. I
did read docs and knew it was case sensitive. In any case it can't find
the scsi.device <;^}>, but if I go charging ahead and say do it anyway it
does install software.
Gracia ON AutoPillot flying blind! May Day!
I've got to hink about this one for awhile. There's no reason I can think
of for the s/w to tell you that it can't find scsi.device on an A3000.
hmmmph & puzzled.
Michael,
scsi.device is in the 2.04 ROM, isn't it? I've searched my WB2.04
disk set and cannot find it anywhere! So it must be in ROM? By any chance
do you have it in your DEVS: directory?
Baffled,
Chris
Gracia,
When "speaking" device names, the Amiga is case sensitive.
SCSI.device is not the same to the Amiga as scsi.device. In the case of
the 3000, it's got to be in all lower case: scsi.device
Don
Don,
I knew that <;^}>. Just about the only thing I know at this moment. I'm
going to play with cables, terminators and software over weekend and see
what I can come up with. that is if I can find shorting clips to use on
tape drive and/or external terminator for case. I just love living in the
boonies grrrrr.
Gracia On AutoPilot flying blind! May Day!
Gracia,
It sounds like its time to concentrate on getting one of the new devices
working at a time. Then we can move to step two, getting both on the bus
together. Let's work on the tape drive, first. Disconnect the connector
from the CDROM and be sure that the tape is terminated. I wish I had
another external termination plug lying around, I'd send it down to you.
It makes it easy to add/remove termination during the experiment/magic
act/voodoo/seance.
Chris
Hi Chris,
Your right, I must get my act together and start my voodoo act <g> with
the drives. Where would I get an external ternination plug? Mail order? I
have to go to Radio Shack for "berg" clips to change the tape ID#'s. I
might as well go for broke and use one anyway since I have the extra
connector.
Gracia on AutoPilot flying blind! May Day!
Gracia,
Most places that sell Mac peripherals would stock SCSI external
terminators. I found a little cable shop that sold them for $8.50, but my
Amiga dealer had them for $10.50, too.
Betty
Thanks Betty,
I hope this thread is providing a few laughs…since I see so many hopping
in to help I know I'm being read, quel embrarrassment <just kidding>. But
then I learned from other's frustrated crys for help.
Gracia On AutoPilot flying blind! May Day!
Just about everyone on here needs a little help now and then. We all know
SOME things pretty well, but the Amiga is too complicated (and changes too
fast) for any of us to know it completely – and that isn't even counting
all the peripherals we have to learn (and learn to hook up.)
Betty
Gracia,
I believe I found mine in a MACwarehouse catalog…checking
Yeah, that's where I found it, Terminator Centronics 50Male/50Female
Order #ACC 0601 $21.00
1-800-255-6227. It does make things easier when your connecting things
and disconnecting, while waving the crow feather and chanting.
Chris
I thought I needed the blood of a bat on a full moon!!! I have a black
cat, does that count.
Gracia On AutoPilot flying blind! May Day!