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#HP Deskjet advice

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#43712From: Joe WatkinsDec 17, 1991 8:41 PM
I am seeking help and advice on my next printer purchase. My 24 pin just bit the big one. I am looking into cheap lasers and the HP Deskjet. I do DTP and I want something that will give a crisp, clean look. It does not have to be PostScript perfect, but I want at least (if not better) output than my 24 pin gave me with Pagestream 2.1. This was pretty good for a dot matrix. I was also wondering about using a lot of the fonts that are available. I d/led a lot of them from here and they worked great with my 24 pin! I have a friend with a HP laserjet II and the Pacific Page postscript cartridge. He cannot use all of the fonts as I could. Any words, good or bad on the HP DeskJet 500???? Any help would be appreciated. ** JOE **
#43732From: Jim VentolaDec 17, 1991 10:43 PM
It's a great printer. With POST and the right fonts, it is very impressive. I use it to proof all my postscript fonts. Then I have the printer print them on HIS laser. A good laser printer will give slightly better looking text, but for the money the 500 cant be touched!
#43795From: Joe WatkinsDec 18, 1991 5:40 PM
By saying CERTAIN fonts, what exactly do you mean? I have Pagestream 2.1 and all that comes with it and their own font PLUS PAK That has a lot of other fonts, plus most of the Adobe type 1's that are available here. Most of them look very good off my 24 pin…. The other thing is that I have tried POST 1.6 and don't seem to get it to work very well.. perhaps we could talk about that too… again any and all help is appreciated. Thanks ** JOE **
#43865From: Jim VentolaDec 19, 1991 12:00 AM
By "the right fonts" I meant Adobe type one fonts. With POST, you can use those fonts and the output is near laser quality on a dj. What problems are you having with POST? How much memory have you? Is Conman installed?
#43925From: Joe WatkinsDec 19, 1991 7:27 PM
I have ConMan installed and have 2 megs of fast ram. I think that my trouble may be in the fonts area. I didn't quite understand that section of the DOCS. I can get something printed to my screen but it is unreadable. I never got any output before my 24pin lost its ribbon of life. Any help that you can suggest on POST will be appreciated. Thanks Jim.. ** JOE **
#43943From: Jim VentolaDec 19, 1991 11:00 PM
Well, you have to have the fonts that the doc calls for and you have to store them in a directory assigned to PSFONTS: There is a postscript file called INIT.PS that comes with Post. It is called by Post. You can read it with a text editor. Look at the last few lines. The comment sign in postscript is %. Use or remove it depending on your setup. (There is an explanation at the end of Init.ps.) Good luck. Let us know how it works out.
#43955From: Joe WatkinsDec 20, 1991 12:52 AM
Thanks, I will give it a try!
#44277From: Paul ToalDec 23, 1991 8:01 PM
Jim, I'm in the middle of the same project. Could you give us a hint as to where to find some postscript fonts here on CI$? I DL'd a font called Orleans, but Post gags on it. Any ideas? Thanx for any help, Paul –pt–not seattle– 😉
#44548From: Jim VentolaDec 27, 1991 3:33 PM
Paul— You have to look inside the postscript font to see what it is called. (The name is near the top.) Then change the file name for the Amiga to EXACTLY that. See if that helps.
#44565From: Paul ToalDec 27, 1991 7:44 PM
Jim, I have been calling it exactly as in the file. I will try some more fonts, but have no idea what can and can't be used. The "postscript" font I picked is not really "postScript". I would like to just get one sentence with POST 1.6 in ANY font (except Funky Font). –pt–not seattle– 😉
#44577From: Michael GerardDec 27, 1991 9:58 PM
I can't even get FUNKY FONT to print. – Whapp!ng from the North Coast Michael
#44727From: Jim VentolaDec 29, 1991 11:26 AM
I am confused. You say the "postscript font" you have is not really postscript? Then, of course, POST won't use it. But there are plenty of postscript fonts out thee. (They are usually type three fonts, not as good as type ones.) Try to browse key POST and download fonts that explicitly say they work with POST. Alternatively, there are programs here that will convert fonts you might get in another format. What fonts DO you have?
#44796From: Paul ToalDec 30, 1991 5:32 AM
That could be part of the problem. I am trying any font that is labeled as postscript in the font libs. So far the only font on CI$ that works is the font that comes with POST. Every other font loads as an error. How can I get POST to use any other font, running a Prowrite document? Does anyone know of a font here on CI$, that can be used (specific file and location)? Thanks for the help. Paul –pt–not seattle– 😉
#45119From: Alex BakerJan 2, 1992 9:36 PM
If you are looking for Type 1 PD and shareware fonts, try the Desktop Publishing forum. Go DTPFORUM. There are a lot of fonts for the IBM and Mac there. Pagestream can use the IBM version, and there is a utility in the one of the forums here to convert Mac Postscript fonts for use with Pagestream. – Well Whap! Me Silly….
#43766From: Michael GerardDec 18, 1991 9:22 AM
Joe: With the street cost of the HP DeskJet now at around $399, I don't know how you could go wrong. It would be perfect for non-postscript DTP applications. You would have to spend about $1,000 more to get a laser with enough memory to do the same thing. For me, it was worth the money for the laser… but for most casual users… well, that's enough money saved to go out and buy a FireCracker24 board AND a HamE! – Whapp!ng from the North Coast Michael
#43796From: Joe WatkinsDec 18, 1991 5:49 PM
Of course that is a good point, but I guess that I am asking more about just HOW MUCH difference is there in the two? I saw the Deskjet when it first came out and there wasn't much support for it from the Amiga world and consequently it looked poor. The point is that the abilities of some of the DTP programs in support of DM printers has become nothing short of spectacular ( relatively speaking ), and I wonder if the support extends to the deskjet? Thanks for the reply. ** JOE **
#43803From: Lee GranthamDec 18, 1991 7:01 PM
Michael: on an unrelated subject, I think I've narrowed down that bug in PageStream.. See messages 43785 and 43790 in "PageStream Blues."–would appreciate your input on this seemingly bizarre bug. Lugubrious Lee in Lackluster Largo, Florida—–
#43781From: Steven D. KapplinDec 18, 1991 2:07 PM
I use a Deskjet and am pleased with it's performance. It produces high quality output from PPage, PageStream, FinalCopy, and ProWrite through a postscript interpreter (SaxonScript). The Deskjet will produce output equivalent in quality to a laserjet, although the lasers are better because inkjet technology on lower cost printers uses a liquid ink which slightly wicks through the paper fibers before it dries. A laser won't do that, so printed output will be sharper. If you qualify for educational purchasing you can buy a Deskjet for around $370 new. The cheapest HP laser is $770 on educational purchase. If you do buy a laser, I'd suggest you get one that can use a postscript cartridge because that will provide the quickest and best postscript results. With a Deskjet the best you can do is to use a postscript interpreter or buy DJHelper and use downloadable fonts.
#43797From: Joe WatkinsDec 18, 1991 5:56 PM
Is the program SaxonScript available generally or is it something that comes with Saxon Publisher? I have seen a few references to DJhelper… does it allow you to productively use the DJ or do things get really slow? If it does allow you to use download PS fonts, then are they proprietary to DJhelper or can you use any PS fonts that normally work with the DTP packages? Thanks for the info. ** JOE **
#43816From: Soft-Logik Tech SupportDec 18, 1991 9:19 PM
SaxonScript is generally available and retails for $120 I believe. (I think that's US$, not Can$.) Mike SL Tech
#43923From: Joe WatkinsDec 19, 1991 7:16 PM
Thanks for the info… BTW I believe that SL has a new driver available for the regular DJ.. what is the file called? Thanks ** JOE **
#43961From: Soft-Logik Tech SupportDec 20, 1991 1:56 AM
We have a new DeskJet driver? I don't think I've seen one in a few months, and I know I haven't uploaded anything here. Maybe I missed something and somebody else uploaded something somewhere tho. We are working on the DJ color driver. I believe we uploaded a beta driver to our BBS for people to test. (It doesn't do much yet so hold your horses.) Mike SL Tech
#44366From: Joe WatkinsDec 25, 1991 1:57 AM
I have been on your board and I saw a message asking what the problem was about the new driver.. it has been d/led a number of times and no comments were forthcoming.. I dunno.. I couldn't find it either.
#44387From: Soft-Logik Tech SupportDec 25, 1991 3:55 PM
Whatever it was, don't worry about it. If there's a new DJ driver, it'll be on your 2.2 update disk which you will get pretty soon. Mike SL Tech
#44601From: Joe WatkinsDec 28, 1991 2:28 AM
Thats pretty soon as in RSN? I hope the words that I have been reading about the speed being increased in 2.2 are correct. I like the product, but you do have a little wait time every time the screen has to be redrawn. I assist my friend who makes his living with his Amiga and DTP software. He is using ProPage and was (is) interested in PageStream, but is put off by the obvious slowness of the software. He really likes some of the features of PgS though!
#44682From: Soft-Logik Tech SupportDec 29, 1991 1:20 AM
{_PageStream 2.2 text display speeds are MUCH faster. In the order of hundreds }iof percent faster. }iNow I have your attention! 🙂 {_ }iMike Soft-Logik Tech Support
#44866From: Joe WatkinsDec 30, 1991 11:44 PM
Yeah, you have my attention…. I hope it is the truth. I really like a lot of the things that PageStream does over ProPage2.1 ( I have both), but the speed is one thing that I definitely don't like. I remember seeing you guys at Los Angeles in the first big Amiga show there long ago. I questioned the fellows carefully at that time about the promises that they were making…. they swore that it was to be so! Well, more than a few years have passed and your ARE getting there! ** JOE **
#43830From: John PendergrassDec 18, 1991 10:12 PM
Joe, I see others have heaped enough praise on the DJ to satisfy almost anyone, so I'll discuss the DJHelper program. I have the DJ500 and use DJHelper all the time. DJHelper is a commercial printer controller program (sort of super-preferences) and enhanced DJ printer driver. You can use the driver by itselt (just select from preferences) and you're on your way. Only difference you'd see is better support – ie cleaner graphics, etc. The DJHelper program is actually four 'preferences' type screens. 1) a regular page layout. Set margins, orientation, perf skip, text scale, line wrap, bi-uni directional printing, etc…. 2) a font screen, wherein you can select which font/style/pitch/point size to print in. For instance, you may have a font cartridge or two installed; this will allow you to access those fonts easily. 3) graphics control screen, which allows specifying the way colors are translated to gray scale, adjust graphics offsets (for precise positioning), adjust the band size to print each time, etc. 4) a xmit screen, which can be used to automatically download either individual or whole sets of fonts to your printer (if you have a memory cartridge installed, that is). It also allows you to edit the actual control sequences that PRT and the printer use. I use it almost always for downloading disk-based fonts to my memory cartridge. You may save various config files, which you can then use to immediately use to reconfigure the printer immediately. Neat. All around easily the best printer control program I've ever seen, on any printer. Really lets you use the capabilities of the DJ to the fullest. It works with any DJ, but really shines with the DJ500, where it can take advantage of the compression routines for quick text and graphics printing. BTW, I really like the output of the DJ too! I have used it to publish a (amateur) newsletter. Only criticism I'd have with it is that the graphics aren't as clear as I'd like for image printing in newsletters… [ MORE ]
#43831From: John PendergrassDec 18, 1991 10:13 PM
[ continuation ] Most PS laser output I've seen is MUCH better… I suspect because you can print graphics with 'screen angles' and such that way? Really don't know, but PS laser output does look better, particularly on graphics. If that's a main concern, then try out the DJ before you buy to make sure you can live with it. Good luck. –jp–seattle–
#43924From: Joe WatkinsDec 19, 1991 7:23 PM
That will help a great deal… I have just gotten an oportunity to try one out for myself. It is one of the earlier models, but it should give me some answers. Sounds like DJHelper is an excellent asset to have! Thanks ** JOE **
#44020From: John PendergrassDec 20, 1991 11:55 PM
The earlier models of the DJ are just fine too. Main differnce is that they are slower at paper handling, don't have as many options for 'compressing' print data as more advanced ones do, and don't have the option for large text automatically. But the general print quality is about the same, and still are great bargains! Good luck. –jp–seattle–
#44368From: Joe WatkinsDec 25, 1991 2:17 AM
I have borrowed an earlier model and it turns out a very good print quality. The compressing of the files is an interesting feature. I found a file called fastjet.lzh and it compresses the output of PgStream and makes the print time a lot shorter.. too bad such compression isn't incorporated into the DJ driver by PageStream. For example.. I sent one of my DTP files to disk and it was right at 2.5 megs in size. I ran Fastjet over it and it wound up at about 700,000 bytes instead. It shortens print time a lot by effectively killing the white space that the DJ handles so slowly normally. The guy that wrote it used the output through PIPE: to allow him to keep Fastjet online and running all the time he was in session to shorten the various printouts that he required during his normal DTP routine. I have used it both ways ( constantly online through PIPE: and output to file then print through Fastjet. It works well. Are you aware of any other such programs that work that way?
#44413From: John PendergrassDec 25, 1991 11:43 PM
Yeah, FastJet! What a great program. Every DJ owner should have it. When I print my resume I just save to disk, and then use FastJet to send the file to the DJ. That way I can print 10 copies of it pronto, without PgS having to create a page each time. It must cut printing time by a factor of 2 or more, even when you just want to print one copy. If you want multiple copies, it's the only way to go! Great program! You should realize that you can use FastJet with progs other than PgS too! Say you want to print a pic from DPaint, ok? Well, first use CMD to redirect your par port to a disk file. ie. CMD parallel ram:printpic Then just print your pic via DPaint. Just like normal, except that the output will be sent to the ram file rather than to the printer. Be sure to have the 'Eject Page' gadget ON, so that later each pic will be on a seperate page! After done, just print the 'ram:printpic' file to the DJ using FastJet. Ultra fast printing of pics! Spits out pictures in a few seconds, and if you want to make multiple copies it's a snap! Beats the heck out of the normal DJ drivers in terms of speed! You will find CMD in your TOOLS dir in WB20; I think SYSTEM in 1.3? It saves the text file *after* it has been processed by the Printer Device, so you can use ANY DRIVER. Neat. It would be nice if compression was automatically incorporated into the driver (both prefs and PgS), but at least FastJet lets us have it both ways. –jp–seattle–
#44602From: Joe WatkinsDec 28, 1991 2:34 AM
Thanks for the tip on CMD! I never used that but it sounds as if I need to get an acquaintance going. I will check it out and see for myself. Fastjet is a great time saver. It does cut the printer time by about 46% or so. If the compression were built into the programs, the spped savings would be greater than that though I would guess. No waiting.. just go! ** JOE **
#44732From: John PendergrassDec 29, 1991 1:21 PM
I never measured it, but 46% speedup sounds about right. Of course that is just for your 1st page. If you're printing multiple pages then the savings are multiplied incredibly, of course. ie. Say I wanted to print 10 copies of a 4 page brochure from PageStream. That means that PgS must 'create' 40 pages; rather time consuming! But with FastJet you just create it once (ie. 4 pages), and then FastJet it to the DJ ten times. You avoid the other 36 page creates that PgS must do, in addition to the compression advantage. I know, I could copy it 10 times…. let's face it though: I don't have a copier around the house, and there are times I want folks to have the ORIGINALS, cause copies just don't look as good. Check our CMD. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised! –jp–seattle–
#44825From: Malcolm O'BrienDec 30, 1991 2:28 PM
John, FWIW, when I need multiple copies of something I put it in a PostScript file and get it outputed on a 600×600 printer at 50 cents a page. The photocopies from those pages look like 300 dpi originals. Keep it in mind for when you need 100 copies. 🙂 Malcolm
#44867From: Joe WatkinsDec 30, 1991 11:48 PM
I haven't a real need at this point for multiple copies but it sounds as if that would be an improvement over PgS! I am trying to use Post1.6 and I have it outputting at last. Had to go into Preferences and set up my Graphic2 to get the thing to work.. but it seems much slower than even PgS! Are you a user? If so what speed are you seeing?
#43866From: Steven D. KapplinDec 19, 1991 12:04 AM
Joe, SaxonScript is sold as a separate product. DJhelper is a complete printer driver and control software for the Deskjet. You can download any compatible fonts and you can purchase a bunch of font disks from the developer of DJHelper. You can set up complete sets of fonts to download and once done they are available to the printer as if they were built-in, so it doesn't really slow anything down. However, you do need to do some configuration to change some of the printer commands so that when found in a file they invoke the font you want. DJHelper has the editor as part of the software. You can do some pretty fancy things. However, SaxonScript may be an easier route to take. It comes with the 35 standard postscript fonts. Under 2.0 you can use the standard postscript fonts which you can buy from GoldDisk and install under 2.0 so your wordprocessor has access to them or they can be used directly in ProPage and PageStream. SaxonScript sets up a device, PSC:. You can simply print to PSC: and voila, you have postscript output. SaxonScript is very fast and the output is excellent. I have only found one minor problem thus far, with FinalCopy, which produces a postscript command which SaxonScript doesn't like. SoftWood says it's a problem with SaxonScript, although the same file printed through ProWrite or Excellence works fine, so I'm not fully convinced the problem isn't with FinalCopy. However, FinalCopy has its own proprietary outline fonts which can be used to produce superb output directly without having to use the postscript interpreter.
#43927From: Joe WatkinsDec 19, 1991 7:35 PM
Thanks Steve. I am getting a lot of good advice on both SaxonScript and DJHe lper. Sure is nice to be able to ask these questions and get good quality replies overnight! Try that with some tech support lines sometime! I think that I will be getting a DJ from the looks of things at this point… with DJHelper or Saxon Script or both. Thanks again! ** JOE **
#43973From: Steven D. KapplinDec 20, 1991 3:02 PM
Joe, I find DJHelper to be an excellent driver for the Deskjet. You can do a lot of sophisticated things with it, probably far more than you'll ever need! With SaxonScript you can make full use of the standard postscript fonts. I bought the standard font package from Gold Disk with the standard postscript fonts found in the Apple Laserwriter. Since SaxonScript provides support for those 35 fonts you basically have the full capability of the laserwriter. The Deskjet will provide equivalent quality output when set to 300 dpi resolution. SaxonScript uses the normal printer driver for setting the printer's resolution, so you can pull up the 2.0 printer preference tool and set the resolution to whatever you want, then print your postscript output. I use ProWrite 3.2 which produces postscript output without any additional effort. You can then print from within ProWrite directly by doing postscript print to file and designating the file as PSC:. SaxonScript prints pretty fast, so you get good quality output at reasonable speed, although the Deskjet isn't nearly as fast as a laserwriter.
#44059From: Soft-Logik Tech SupportDec 21, 1991 4:41 PM
Steven: have you used SaxonScript with PageStream to print directly from PgS to SxS? (You could put PSC: in the device text gadget in Configure Printer.) Has anybody else tried this? Mike Soft-Logik
#44066From: Michael GerardDec 21, 1991 5:07 PM
Mike: that's a good question… that would effectively give PgS a postscript interpreter… interesting… I hope someone try's it and reports back here! – Whapp!ng from the North Coast Michael
#44086From: Steven D. KapplinDec 21, 1991 10:29 PM
Mike, No, I haven't tried that with PageStream, but I have with ProWrite and it works fine. I have no reason to believe it wouldn't work with PgS. PgS permits a postscript print to a file, so you should be able to simply give the filename as PSC: and print it out directly. This works with ProWrite 3.2.
#44198From: Soft-Logik Tech SupportDec 22, 1991 10:36 PM
You said that SaxonScript requires that its fonts be converted? You mean for ones supposedly resident in the printer? I assume all other downloadables would work fine without conversion. Mike Soft-Logik Tech
#44205From: Steven D. KapplinDec 22, 1991 11:08 PM
Mike, No, you misunderstood. SxS comes with a set of fonts which are the matches to the 35 fonts usually found resident in the Apple Laserwriter and which correspond to the 35 outline fonts by AGFA which you can buy from Gold Disk. If you have OTHER .psfont files or PC format Adobe Type 1 or 3 postscript fonts, then you need to run them thru the conversion program to generate a SxS compatible font file which is used by SxS, not by your wordprocessor or DTP program. So, if I have my AGFA outline fonts in the CGFONTS: directory and have set that directory in PgS as an active font directory thru fontmanager, then create a PgS file using those outline fonts, I can then output the resulting PgS file as a postscript file (or simply print to the PSC: device) and SxS will produce the printed result on my Deskjet printer. To use, let us say, an Adobe font, like Toulouse, then I must first take the Toulouse.PFB file (if it's in PC format) or the psfont file (if it's in raw postscript) and run that thru the SxS conversion program to generate a .sxf file which SxS will now use when that font is used by a PgS document (the PgS document would use the .PFB font file). Have I explained this clearly, now?
#44388From: Soft-Logik Tech SupportDec 25, 1991 3:58 PM
What happens if you use a Type 1 font in your PgS doc, print it to disk (so that the font is included in the download) and run it through SxS? Shouldn't the dloaded font be good enough? PgS is not going to call for an internal printer font because it included it in the dload. I can see SxS needing equivalents for internal printer fonts (like my printer has Garamond in it, so I'd have to make a SxS Garamond file), but if I dload Helvetica Black in my SxS file in Type 1 format, surely SxS can handle that? Oh, I just read the rest of your message. But how will that work with PgS? If you use Toulouse in PgS, it's going to dload it automatically. What will SxS do with the dloaded font? Maybe I should call up Saxon and find out about this. Mike
#44367From: Joe WatkinsDec 25, 1991 2:05 AM
I have PPAGE 2.0 and PageStream 2.1 and I have been using a borrowed Deskjet ( the old version) and it seems to do very well through both softwares. I am in the process of trying to buy a Deskjet 500, but it seems that HP under estimated the demand for the printer with the much more attra ctive price… so there are shortages. I feel that I will be getting DJhelper, although I have not seen it in any of the Amiga World advertisements. I did find Saxon Script though. I am very happy with the DTP output from the DJ and if Saxon Script makes it even better then I will be a happy puppy indeed! Thanks for the info.
#43966From: Mike SchillerDec 20, 1991 8:26 AM
Steven: When you say that it can use standard PS fonts like the ones from Gold Disk, do you mean that if it finds .metric files in your FONTS: directory that it then will look in the CGFONTS:PS/ directory for the .psfont files? I have LOTS of psfonts in my CGFONTS:PS/ & PSFONTS: directories (setup that way for use with both PPage, and Post) that I would have to be able to use with Saxonscript if I'm to buy it. -Mike Schiller In sunny Fort Lauderdale
#43975From: Steven D. KapplinDec 20, 1991 3:13 PM
Mike, Well, not quite. You create your document in any wordprocessor or DTP program which will create a postscript output file. If the wordprocessor can access the fonts in CGFONTS:, such as the 35 fonts that Gold Disk sells on separate disks, or if you can access .psfont files in your wordprocessor or DTP program and create a postscript output file, then SaxonScript will interpret that postscript file. SaxonScript comes with its own set of outline postscript fonts which conform to the standard 35 fonts found in any postscript laser printer. It has font conversion programs which allow you to take a postscript font file (.psfont) or an Adobe Type 1 or 3 font file and convert it to a SaxonScript compatible font file. That way you can use the font in the document creation and SaxonScript will also be able to reproduce it in the interpreter. The font conversion program will also create bitmap font files which can be used by standard Amiga programs, although I don't know why would necessarily bother with that. Gold Disk also supplies a font conversion program with their 35 font collection which will convert outline fonts to .psfont files, which SaxonScript can convert to SaxonScript font files. Pretty convenient, all around. I find that the standard 35 fonts used in laser printers to be satisfactory for me, so I really haven't been much interested in the conversions, tho I have tried them on a couple of Adobe Type 1 PC format fonts and it works as advertised. Have I explained this adequately? I hope so.
#43980From: Margaret CopelandDec 20, 1991 4:38 PM
I'm in late with this thread – Saxonscript is a soft Postscript interpreter that allows you to print a Postscript file on a non-postscript printer? Does it work with postscript files created on other computers (I presume it would)? How long is long to print on the Deskjet? Do you also need DJ Helper or is that for non-Postscript output?
#43999From: Steven D. KapplinDec 20, 1991 10:51 PM
Margaret, To your first question, Yes. SaxonScript is a software postscript interpreter. It should work with any postscript file, I certainly cannot think of any reason why it shouldn't. It claims to fully support the entire postscript language including color support. It will print to the Deskjet at the fastest speed the Deskjet can produce graphic output at 300 dpi (faster at lower resolutions). I haven't timed anything, but in general graphic text output on the DJ seems to go along at about 20 to 30 seconds per page at full resolution (regardless of what the graphic text is. That is for a straight dump.) Those timing approximations are based on a .dvi dump from AmigaTex. You don't need any special printer driver other than one which works on the DJ. I happen to use DJHelper, but any Amiga printer driver for the DJ will work.
#44054From: Margaret CopelandDec 21, 1991 3:31 PM
Thanks for your explanation. How much is Saxonscript to buy?
#44085From: Steven D. KapplinDec 21, 1991 10:27 PM
Margaret, I bought it thru my local dealer for $109. That's about 20% off list price, so if you find it thru mail order you can probably shave another 20%. I think it's well worth it considering that it is a full postscript interpreter, is devilishly easy to use.
#44159From: Margaret CopelandDec 22, 1991 2:04 PM
Sounds good to me, probably get it after I get the Deskjet.
#43992From: Mike SchillerDec 20, 1991 9:26 PM
Steven: So what you're saying is that in order to use Saxonscript with my existing fonts, I'd have to run each of them thru their conversion program? my cgfonts:ps directory currently weighs in at 7megs, the thought of duplicating that is horible. Are the fonts created by their program compressed any? -Mike Schiller In sunny Fort Lauderdale
#44000From: Steven D. KapplinDec 20, 1991 10:58 PM
Mike, You wouldn't need to do that if you are using the standard AGFA outline fonts. You would need to do that if you were using other postscript fonts. SaxonScript comes with the 35 standard outline fonts used in the Apple laserwriter. However, if you have other postscript fonts, such as ClassicaRoman or Toulouse, for instance, then you need to run them thru the conversion program. It seems rather unlikely that you would regularly use all 7 megs worth of fonts, so you could convert only those that you normally use. If you have the standard AGFA outline fonts (AvantGarde, Bookman, Times, Triumphirate, Symbol, Courier, Palacio, ZapfChancery, ZapfDingbats, and Schoolbook) then you wouldn't need to convert those. Their fonts are not compressed. The conversion program can read a font in postscript (.psfont), Adobe PC format (.PFB).
#44069From: Mike SchillerDec 21, 1991 6:41 PM
Steven: Oh well, I guess I'll have to pass this program. While I don't use all 7 megs all the time, I do use several of the often enough that I wouldn't want to have to convert them. I use POST as a screen previewer, as I already have a PS laser printer, I was hoping that I'd be able to use SaxonScript as a print previewer, as it would be quicker to print a page to my DJ with Saxonscript than starting the laserprinter, downloading whatever fonts are needed, then printing the file to the laser. Thanks for all the info though. -Mike Schiller In sunny Fort Lauderdale
#44087From: Steven D. KapplinDec 21, 1991 10:34 PM
Mike, Well, I don't see why if you went to the trouble to convert fonts to psfont format for Post that you might not want to do the same for SxS. It has a preview mode. You can print to PSC:prev and it will print to the screen. The screen view has a Print gadget, so if you are satisfied with the page you can just go ahead and print it. Having tried numerous times unsuccessfully to get Post installed and working, I find SxS a welcome substitute. Post is too complicated to get working, and is poorly documented. It provides no means of converting fonts to a form it recognizes and is a bear to get installed. I have yet to get a postscript file to work. After about six attempts at getting it installed, I finally was able to get a screen preview of a page, but it wouldn't print. Furthermore, to use Post I would have to find all those Adobe fonts, whereas SxS has the standard laser fonts already there and they are fully compatible with my AGFA CG outline fonts.
#44102From: Jonathan HirschmanDec 22, 1991 1:31 AM
Steven– You don't have to do anything to the fonts for Post to use them, except re-name them to their proper Postscript fontnames. That's all I did, at any rate, and they work fine. Jonathan – via Whap!
#44155From: Mike SchillerDec 22, 1991 1:49 PM
Steven: Well, I didn't really convert the fonts to .psfonts for POST, but rather for PPage & ProWrite. The format they're in is usable by PPage, POST, & ProWrite the three programs that I use the most. For the same reason I don't use PgS either, as I WILL NOT have separate font directories for use by a single program! The only program that I have that needs it's own fonts is Final Copy, and that's only because it was a gift. I don't see why SaxonScript can't be made to understand the normal .psfont format, it would be much more usable that way. -Mike Schiller In sunny Fort Lauderdale
#44060From: Alex BakerDec 21, 1991 5:06 PM
I've never has a Pagestream font fail to work with my Laser Jet…. So I don't know what problem your friend was having. Pagestream sends out the page as agraphic image to your prnter, at it's highest possible resolution. So if something wasn't working, it sounds like there may have been a memory shortage at the printer end. I've even imported some PC postscript fonts into Pagestream, and printed them out to the printer in a non-postscript mode, and had them work fine. – Well Whap! Me Silly….