#4000 in Byte
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Has anyone read the blurp in this months Byte on the Amiga 4000? It seems
kind of condescending to me…he (Tom Yager) states the 256 color modes
are "slow"! Actualy what he says is " And even though display performance
for the 256-color modes `continues' to be slow" Am I missing something
here, when and where did Amigas have a 256 color mode before the 4000? He
also implies the 3000T-040/200 and the 4000-040/120 are basiclly the same
machine with the 3000T having a few more slots. He also refers to ADOS
2.1 and Workbench 3.0 as the operating system for both machines. Does the
3000T-040 require new boot roms? No where is anything said about the new
HAM-8 modes or anything other than the 256 color, nothing about overscan
or screen resolutions. He goes to great lengths to deride C='s policy of
not allowing users to open the case without voiding the warranty.
Generaly it is an upbeat article but full of false and misleading
enuendos.
I guess I am somwhat happy that they mentioned it at all.
…Steve
On AutoPilot! (at last)
The fact that MS_DOS is the "standard" and the Amiga is considerd a
game machine or only useful for video work. just proves the old maxam.
No one ever went brook under estamating the intellagence of the public.
"or the spelling ability of a computer programmer."
It's typical Byte – incompetant, incomplete, and misleading.
–Ben
…via AutoPilot
It's a shame Byte always does early, mostly poor reviews of Amiga h/w
but rarely (never?) serious in depth reviews…:^( They FORSE us
Amigoids to be LOUD and OBNOXIOUS. Lifes rough going against the
mainstream, but I wouldnt have it any other way……
Are all Amiga users Unconventional ?
I always have been, BAD!!!!!
John (and other Byte readers);
I know what I am going to do…I am going to write a very long letter to
Byte, screaming at them for what (if anything) I consider to be either
unfair or simply wrong. I believe that if they get enough static,
especially from the nets, they are liable to correct the situation.
The last real Amiga article in Byte was the 3000 review, which was
quite favorable. They also ran a short article on the Amiga operating
system, which was also pretty favorable. ALthough there is not enough
coverage for the Amiga, it has not always been damaging.
Jonathan
Jonathan,
I don't think screaming letters to BYTE will be helpful at all. I think
fairly short, factual, and extremely polite letters would be good. These
letters should point out (very tactfully) any errors you saw in the
article. Amiga owners have gained a very bad reputation with magazines
because of the 'screaming' letters that pour forth every time they publish
anything about our machine. I hope you will write your letter, but that
you will make it business-like, factual, and polite. There are quite a
few people at BYTE who really like the Amiga. A few have worked for Amiga
magazines in the past and really know the machine thoroughly. I doubt
that it is easy for them to get articles printed, though, if Amiga users
are too critical every time they do an article on the Amiga.
—Betty
I would like to second what Betty has stated concerning the comments sent
to magazines. I feel that in order to gain acceptance in the computer
industry, we shouldn't gripe and moan about coverage (or lack there of) in
the media. Instead, we should comment on mistakes made by the author and
supply the correct information.
Personally, I feel that the Amiga and, more importantly, the Amiga
community, has many underlying strengths that the "outsiders" cannot hope
to attain. Although the Amiga is not the forefront of technology today,
its total package (graphics, sound, multitasking, windowing…etc) has
provided the rest of the industry a model to "shoot" for. Many of my
friends with PCs and Macs are just now integrating sound, graphics and
windowing to their home computers. While they are muddling over their new
boards they painfully installed, I am looking to the Amiga community to
lead the next stage of system innovations. Can we think of the Amiga and
its strong technical supporters as a mainstream, low cost R&D community
that drives innovation?
Well, I'm getting on my soapbox, but let me leave you with this:
As the Amiga community continues to drive innovations in our industry, we
need to apply thoughtful, professional commentary on what we are doing, so
that we can be viewed from the outside as intelligent, "master craftsmen"
of the computer industry.
Dan Barber
Happy Holidays!!
Betty,
Byte needs all the feedback an criticism that we can possibly deliver
when it comes to the Amiga.. no-holds-barred. Level-headedness is
certainly called for, but certainly not politeness.
-Chris
The only problem, is that you treat Byte like garbage, you can expect your
letter to be treated the same way.
To quote an old saying:
'You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.'
Thanks,
Erik Flom
. Reminds be of one of my favorite lines from the show Cheers. One of the
regulars said just that line, and Woody replied, "Excuse me, but you can
catch the MOST flies with a dead squirrel". 🙂
Steve
Chris,
Criticism can be delivered politely. And should be. We never gain
anything by being rude.
—Betty
Betty:
You are absolutely right!!!
Clint <VRLI>
I think, in this case, if politeness is anybody's concern then it's Byte's
(of course, I would not suggest Commodore itself treat them rudely).
I also think that in this climate that it would be relatively easy for
another network to take away BIX's Amiga following. CIS might be able to
do that, but as indifferent as CIS is to the Amiga, that would not be such
a just transfer of loyalty; Portal would be the ideal network to do this.
-Chris
It is not good politics to insult someone you want to do something for you
or see things your way, so to me it does make sense to be gentle when
pointing out that someone at Byte didn't do his homework when writing his
article on the new Amigas. Sure, he was lazy in getting the facts right
and all that, but it is easy to turn defensiveness about doing what he may
already know was an unproffessional rushed job into outright dislike for
the Amiga or the Amiga users. It must be extremely easy to cover your
mistakes by adopting a "stupid game machine won't survive the year anyway"
type attitude when you work for a rabidly pro-MsDos magazine like Byte.
How many Amiga users subscribe to Byte? Would it be wrong to assume that
any article on any other platform is designed to reassure the MSDOS reader
that he made the right decision by buying from their advertisers and that
all those nasty rumors of game machines stealing their thunder are false?
Looked at another way: when did a pro-amiga magazine last do an unbiased
review of the latest MsDos or Apple platform? I don't remember even one.
The people in the ASOFT forum are a little ticked off about Yager's review
of 3D Studio too.
Steve
I haven't read the article in Byte (didn't need to since I have an A4000 at
the office anyway ;), but I know Tom is NOT anti-Amiga. He has one, uses it
and likes it. He also has a Mac and PC, uses them and likes them. Evidently
he found the A4000 256 color mode to be slower then he expected. He
mentioned on BIX that it might have been a defective Amiga, but maybe not.
Who knows. We might not agree with his opinion, but I know he didn't write
that in order to appease anyone at Byte, their MSDOS readers, etc. Lou
BTW – if people want to respond to Byte, the best way would be to *show*
them they are wrong. If someone with a 486 or Mac and the A4000 would run
some sort of graphic benchmarks, including animation frame rates, that can
be reproduced by them I would bet they would pay attention….
A4000 in 256 color mode is a bleeding dog just like any Amiga before it in
high-res-laced 16 color mode. So who runs workbenches in 8 bitplane modes?
Whyinheck would someone want THAT many colors? 16 colors is plenty and the
A4000 is reasonably zippy there. And for graphics animation the 8 bitplane
modes are quite as fast as any PClone card I have seen. (But then I have
not seen the REAL fast ones….)
{@_@}
Board Master, which uses a 16-color, high-res interlace display, can
update the every pixel on the entire display with literally thousands of
CAD objects on my 2500/030 (old chips, old 16-bit bus) literally faster
than you can see it happen. On the 4000, it's like lightning. This a a
rewrite of pixels, recalculated and redrawn from lists of objects in fast
memory, not a bitmap update by block. This condition is highly
bottlenecked or "a bleeding dog" as you put it.
Updating 8 bitplanes instead of four is only twice the work; and you've
got considerably more than twice the horsepower to do it with, and ALSO
twice the buswidth to do it *through*. Predictably, on the 4000, Board
Master updates the display so fast it's shocking. I submit this is proof
that the access to the display isn't the exact source of the bottlenecking
that we see. Further it is proof that the botteneck can be avoided with
the right approach.
Pointing at Board Master again (which I wrote) as evidence, I'll tell you
that I believe I have a very good understanding of why some display uses
are slow and some are not, and having (hopefully) inspired some confidence
in my opinion, here are the problems:
1 – The forced use of bitplanes instead of byteplanes. That has killed
most apps abilities to be efficient in data handling. pixels take 8 times
the accesses to write that they would in a chunky architecture. Solution:
The amiga needs a hardware corner-turner, and badly. We have one on the
shelf; the performance increase is astounding in my 2500/030.
2 – The lack of intelligent queing of drawing operations. Since the
display memory is not, in fact, accessable a great deal of the time under
heavy load, one should NEVER try to write bulk data to it during those
times, or you WILL hang like wet laundry. Drawing operations need to be
done to fast memory, and then the fast memory needs to go in during the
open windows – and at NO other time. Drawing software needs to stop trying
<continued>
Run up an 8 bitplane workbench and let it scroll. It is, I repeat, a
bleeding dog. That is the simplest test to make. When you run up enough
bitplanes in non-interlaced modes that you have used the entire memory
bandwidth in fast ram things turn very slow very fast. They always have.
Reduce things even a little so that you get some of the CHIP ram access
back and things pick up speed quite nicely. Do your calculations for
vectors outside of CHIP ram and simply draw lines and I expect things to
be quite fast. I still expect floodfills that alter several bitplanes of
an 8 bitplane hi-res-laced screen to be slower than on a 6 bitplane lo-res
screen for example, much slower.
{@_@}
Either you didn't read my message, or you didn't understand it.
While I wouldn't argue that your test is simple, it surely is, it's not
definitive.
The issue is how fast CAN that display be driven – and the answer is, a
lot faster than it is being driven by the system, and looking at Board
Master proves the point.
–Ben
…via AutoPilot
to draw and go back to building draw data in fastram BEFORE the chipmem
bottneck re-closes.
If anyone has any doubts, just look at how fast Board Master is.
–Ben
…via AutoPilot
Jonathon,
Forghe letter writing campaign… "Correct the situation"(??) I think NOT!
Byte receives no revenues from Amiga vendors, and owes no commitment to
CBM. The magazine reaks of IBM compatibles and a few MAC's for good humour.
I'm with Ben and his response… I wouldn't waste my time writing a letter
crying about their Amiga article.
That's why the ONLY Byte issue that I've bought was the one with the Amiga
3000 on the cover. And that was just for posterity!! I don't ever expect to
waste my money on another issue, and again… I wouldn't waste my time
writing them either.
– Dave
I think there is at least one type of action that could correct the
situation (and I'm not talking letter or editorial writing.. that would be
a waste as they are not journalists in the true sense). I am talking
about hurting their pocketbook, and perhaps the only way for us to do that
is through BIX.
-Chris
The last time that I checked, BIX and BYTE were two separate entities. The
logon banner for it says something different. I thought that this happened
about a year ago – Joanne Dow could provide more information on this.
BIX was sold to General Videotex Corporation early last year. BYTE still
maintains a strong presence there inspite of their being entirely
different business entities without even a shared parent corporation.
The relationship IS close enough I get to hear the flack when idiots from
users groups in South Eastern Arizona accuse Jerry and BYTE of writing
about the A3000 *ONLY* because Commodore started advertising in BYTE. This
so infuriated Jerry that he very nearly packed up his A3000 and shipped it
back to Commodore with a "never again" note. *I* had to try to calm things
down. I never did hear back from that cretin in Az. But I do know the
precise circumstances behind Jerry's "review" of the A3000. David Joiner
with a little help from me arranged the whole thing with Commodore
marketing. Jerry was VERY impressed by the way the machine operated when
we installed it and ran it through its paces as described in his article.
What he failed to describe was his cheerful frustration that it did NOT
crash the way the old Amigas had. He noted that the A3000 appeared to have
less equipment configuration and compatability problems than either his
PClones or his Macs. We'd hook a CDROM or a tape drive to the Amiga and
go. That did impress him. So he wrote about it. Then some idiot accuses
him of being on the take that way. He *AND* BYTE magazine went through the
roof. It took written apologies from David Archambault for Commodore as
well as any efforts I made to calm things down.
So the relationship is that close that I hear the problems. But my check
comes not from BYTE or McGraw-Hill but from General Videotex Corporation.
Hope this clears things a little about the relationship. "Friends but not
relations."
{@_@}
To be up-front, I've never been much of a fan of Pournelle's Byte columns.
I've always been thankful, though, that there are people like you and
Joiner working behind the scenes to get his Amiga computers working.
Now to hear that Pournelle was ready to stop looking at Amiga products
because some whiner on BIX made the "outlandish" suggestion that there was
a cause-and-effect relationship between advertising and editorial
coverage… it sounds to me like Pournelle is looking for an excuse to
finally free himself from the endless tirades of Amigaphiles. Or maybe
this Arizona whiner hit too close to home. You're telling me it's *RANDOM
CH^O
rtn
Well said, John.
–Ben
…via AutoPilot
John,
I've been working on a the staff of a professional magazine(s) for almost
seven years now. In all that time I have never, ever, I repeat never had a
publisher or advertising type try and force any opinion of any product.
Don't get me wrong – if the ad guys had their way we wouldn't write about
anything that wasn't advertized. But its exactly because they think like
this that they have no control over the editorial process.
As for placement of ads – there are 'premium' positions in a magazine that
advertisers pay extra for. Covers 2-4 (the inside of the cover plus the
back), as well as near certain columns or sections. But in general editors
– managing editors that is – work very hard to make sure that no ads appear
anywhere near any edit that discusses the products in the ads. It still
happens sometimes – but by chance, not on purpose. For example, I just got
in the first issue of DTV World. Much to my displeasure I found an ad near
an article on the Toaster a mail order ad that specializes on Toaster
products. My first action on seeing it was to show it to my managing editor
and said I don't like this. He replied that it only happened because in the
dummy (where the magazine is laid out on a positional grid that represents
teh different folios of the magazine) he merely saw the words mail order ad
– and didn't knwo it was Toaster specific.
Lou
Sometimes, the advertising people give good placement without informing the
buyer – I know one magazine gave the Syndesis ads very favorable placement
without consulting us in any way.
A good ad rep always tries to do the best for his/her clients, but the
placement might just have been luck of the draw…
>As for placement of ads – there are 'premium' positions in a magazine that
>advertisers pay extra for. Covers 2-4 (the inside of the cover plus the
>back), as well as near certain columns or sections. But in general editors
>- managing editors that is – work very hard to make sure that no ads
appear >anywhere near any edit that discusses the products in the ads.
I dunno about this. In reviews of one or more products I seem to see this
happen all the time in a whole variety of magazines. They don't seem to try
vary hard.
—–> Brian Simmons, Denver, Colorado. – via Whap!
I don't know about a whole variety of other magazines – just those I work
on. That's the way we do it. Lou
Lou,
You might not tolerate ads near columns that discuss the product but
Byte D O E S ! I even like reading Byte, although Jerry is a really
transparent sonofa&^%$#. I have had a sub since 1984 and have noticed this
happening with regularity over the years. The Pioneer CD-ROM changer is a
perfect example that I have noticed myself. I have not noticed it
happening in AW although it might have escaped my notice AND been
accidental.
I don't think you can speak for publications you don't work with. I
don't think we are all ready to condemn all mags as "payola pits" but
sometimes it is too obvious and happens too often to ignore. Money talks
(to many people out there).
Goin' AP6
…..Mark Sterling6
Jerry writes about what he finds useful and interesting around his place.
His business is writing. Things that foster that get tried first. He is
sent things in incredible bulk. (You really have no idea how much bulk.)
It is to some extent random chance that he will talk about any product
that crosses his threshold. (I hesitate to say desk as if that volume of
"stuff" were deposited daily on his desk the poor piece of furniture would
collapse.)
If someone sends him something they think there is a good chance will be
interesting enough to him to talk about they will often independantly take
out an ad in BYTE. Pioneer already knew Jerry is into CDROMs as a
convenient storage media. A changer is a logical extension of a single
CDROM drive. They gambled, and won, that he'd talk about it. In fact he
liked it so much he DID do a product endorsement for it. He accepts no
compensation for the endorsement. He only endorses things he uses and
particularly likes.
I suspect there is an element of this timing gamble in Commodore's
advertisement in BYTE. David Archambault knew when that A3000 was shipped
to Jerry and may have made some guesses regarding article lead times. OTOH
I understand from David Archambault that they had planned a rather
agressive targeted advertising campaign about that time anyway so it may
have been pure coincidence given article lead times etc etc.
Making the accusation that he was directed to write about the Amiga and
responded to such direction by the people who market ad space in BYTE is a
direct insult to him and to BYTE magazine. BYTE is very heavily
compartmentalized such that this DOES NOT HAPPEN. And if it is discovered
that it IS happening the offending party is dropped forthwith. The writers
and editors of BYTE find such accusations particularly loathsome because
of the strictures they are operating under. I do not know what all
magazines you have worked for. I do know BYTE since I was on their payroll
<continued>
for awhile. They are quite strict. I also know a large body of writers in
the closed writers.pros conference on BIX who would take extreme umbrage
with your "on the take" remark. Maybe this tells us something about your
writing style more than theirs?
{@_@}
. <passing Joanne a grain of salt to take when reading messages
here>
John Foust, in addition to being incredibly helpful here online and in his
work (both through Syndesis and in writing), is the penultimate cynic. 🙂
I may disagree with his point of view, or more likely, the _severity_
ofhis point of view, but more often than not, I always have the sinking
feeling that there is a kernal of truth in his pointing out 'the dark
side'.
If Pournelle's free from blame in this arena, then why would he threaten to
stop examining the Amiga because some whiner on BIX accused him of bias?
My point about "on the take" was not about cross-over between editorial and
advertising… it's about how all that largess piled higher and deeper
affects one's perspective on the computer industry. For example, without
any reference to Pournelle: update-itis, wherein companies release new
versions of products on a schedule that outpaces many people's pocketbooks.
A writer who gets complimentary copies of these updates is more likely, I
posit, to say "gee, this is great, y'all should go get it" that someone
who's forced to shell out cash for the updates.
As for Pournelle's relationship with the Amiga – I don't understand what
you're saying. (I didn't say he needed to hear that CBM was placing ads
again, in order for him to write about it.) You seem to be saying that
Pournelle is willing to write about the Amiga as long as CBM can deliver a
machine to him, and as long as people don't complain too much about what he
does…
I'm not suggesting that he sells all this stuff. I am saying he gets it
for free, and he disposes of it as he wishes. He uses what he wants, no
doubt.
And I'm not going to respond to the personal darts at me that you placed in
the last sentences of both of your messages… I question Pournelle, you
question me for questioning him? And no, I've never been a member of the
Communist Party.
While I doubt that pay-offs are made to get reviews, the computer press
does seem to handle things differently that other reviwing media.
For example, the respected phot mags, buy off the shelf equipment, and then
test/review it. The idea being that they will get the camera/lens that you
or I would get, rather than a custom tuned demo model.
With the barage of times that come through the door of Jerry's and probably
most other high profile writers, is there any equipment/software, that the
mags run out and purchase?
Let me put it this way….
If you did not advertise in Byte, and you did not send a freebie to the
Byte offices, or Jerry, how long do you think you'd have to wait to see
your hardware/software reviewed.
While not payola, or a direct bribe, since sending it won't guarantee you a
slot, you must expend some money in the form of the "sample" to get your
review done in the first place.
Personally, I like the idea of the magazines purchasing, at least the
hardware. That way, I feel that they are getting an average machine, not
the one that has been hand assembled and babied all the way there to ensure
it won't die.
Perhaps Byte does purchase most of the reviewed items. You just didn't
make it sound that way, so thought I'd ask. – Alex
Alex,
You'd be amazed at how much defective hardware companies send to computer
magazines. They rarely DO test the equipment before sending it out,
strangely enough.
Almost no computer magazines purchase the products they review. I'd guess
that the cost is the main reason–Flying Magazine doesn't buy the planes
either. 🙂 It's only loaner equipment, though. It's very rare that
hardware doesn't have to be returned in 30 or 60 days.
I honestly think that the vast majority of the mags are unbiased in the
"payola" sense. I've met a few stupid freelance writers in my years who
would write a positive review of a cardboard box with an 8-inch disk in
it because they thought doing that would get them more reviews to write,
but editors exist to try to keep people like that from ever working
again. 🙂 The bias that exists is an ignorant perception that Commodore
machines aren't to be taken seriously. Man, do I wish Creative Computing
was still the leading computer magazine….
A far bigger problem than any "bias" is that so many magazine folks get to
see the latest and greatest stuff that they lose track of what REAL
people are using. From reading PC Magazine you'd think nobody had touched
a 286 since 1989. I keep an A600 set up at COMPUTE and use it a fair
amount just so I don't get too spoiled by my a4000, and so I can see how
stuff performs on the kind of platform most folks use.
John,
I don't care much for Pournelle's attitude myself, but the system pretty
much works. Yes, companies give journalists free software and deals on
hardware, but since everybody does it, the journalists stay fairly
objective. If the top three companies in a field all give you free product,
you're not particularly obligated to any of them.
Advertising and editorial are generally kept separate. The bosses are
conscious that while the advertising may pay off in the short term, it's
their credibility with consumers that pays off in the long term.
Though I admit that a magazine once held a bad review I wrote of a program
(no, it was a GOOD review, of a bad product) until the product's
introductory period was over. They could say they printed criticism without
really affecting the sales of the product. Of course, it may have been
coincidence!
Marion
CROSSINGS
Newsletter for Amiga/PC compatibility
Those "good reviews of bad products" are / were especially common in many
of the Amiga Sentry -type magazines that popped up along the way in the
Amiga market. They really needed the advertising money. I still think I
see too many reviews of products from Centaur, the same people as Creative
Computers, who take out big ads in many magazines.
John,
I'm not sure I made my meaning clear. It was a very critical review of a
bad product, but it was well-written ("good"), if I do say so myself!
Marion
haughty "Recommended," so they can reprint it in an ad.
Pournelle gets his gizmos from gleeful marketroids at COMDEX, wined and
dined at the press party, and Fed Ex'd the gizmo the following week. He
uses the gizmo for his personal use, or gives it to his wife or son or…
For how long? Does it matter? Eighteen months is the useful lifetime of
most hardware or software in this industry. Or maybe he returns it. Or
maybe he gives the extra piles of gizmos to friends or a charity. (Does he
get the deduction?)
Or take a columnist like John Dvorak. He writes more than 40 columns and
articles a month. Where does he find the time to write, as well as
investigate the things he writes about?
It's not as if the computer industry is that different from others: there
are travel writers who get free vacations in exchange for press coverage,
and I know a book reviewer who probably pulls down $30,000 a year in cash,
probably off the books (i.e., tax-free), from selling the books people send
him in exchange for one-paragraph "reviews" in his librarian newsletter.
I'll rescind this bald assertion the moment there exists a "Computer
Reports" magazine similar to "Consumer Reports," and everyone writes for
it… but I see no rush to cut the link between advertising, freebies and
computer writers. Meanwhile, "caveat emptor".
My, thou has a dark outlook.
Y'know, most hardware comes for a 30-60 day review period. 90 at the most.
It's not like I call up, ask PP&S for an 040, and then sell it to my
neighbor.
And if the priveledge of using all this hardware and software made all the
writers gushy and positive, then how do you explain negative reviews?
Consumer Reports makes a big deal about buying everything. But their
computer reviews are often laughably incomplete.
There's some truth in what you say, especially in the videogame magazine
arena. And I know two Amiga reviews (whose names I no longer see) who fit
your description perfectly. But the industry is nowhere near as bad as you
think it is.
In addition to that, it's common for the writers in auto magazines to be
employed by auto companies on the side. Remember that when you see one of
those magazines review a car … the writer may have worked for them! I do
know that one magazine (other than Consumer Reports) says their writers
don't have any affiliations.
—–> Brian Simmons, Denver, Colorado. – via Whap!
Dunno about other writers but I have known Jerry for about 10 years now
and I have NEVER known him to SELL anything he has received. (And he
receives more <junk> than he can feed on to family members to see if they
will use it even if it is not of interest to him.) At worst it is round
filed. At best it is passed along to other people with the proviso THEY do
not sell it and if they use it to tell him about it. Sometimes if the
vendor involved allows it he will feed it along to LASFS, the Los Angeles
Science Fantasy Society, for their fund raising auctions. (LASFS is a 501c
organization and Jerry gets nothing in return for this other than a
possible feel good that he helped the club and its library, which is a
part of the LA public library system.)
Believe it or not Jerry makes most of his income off his novels and
collaberations. The BYTE column is a nice piece of steady extra bread. But
it is not his primary income. He makes zero off anything shipped to him in
terms of reselling it. You are irresponsible to suggest otherwise. Or was
this your practice?
{@_@}
Not all of us think Jerry is on the take. I DO think he is MS-Dos
brainwashed. He sounds so damn silly talking about all the
standing-on-his-head-twirling he does to get an extra 15k needed to load
the latest driver or TSR. I have spent too much time lately doing the same
thing for a little project I got myself into. Sheesh! Why don't they fix
those things? Why did they write ALL the software for that miserable OS?
So, on the one hand I feel sorry the poor brainwashed guy but on the
other hand I am envious of the plethora of hardware and software he gets
to play with. Somebody quick; send him a fast Sun RISC workstation.
Goin' AP6
…..Mark Sterling6
Christopher,
Byte no longer owns BIX.
-mark=
I don't want to make a habit of this but in the interest of shedding light,
not heat, here's a reposting from BIX from the author of the Byte article,
copyright (c) General Videotext Corporation:
amiga.user/main #197, from tyager, 1450 chars, Sat Dec 26 03:24:16 1992
Unfortunately, virtually ALL of BYTE's reviews are limited to about 1500
words, with the exception of the roundup and Solutions Focus, which are on
pre-ordained topics only. I've been called to task for my comments on the
A4000's display by others as well. The sluggish performance was
specifically in the new 640×480, 256-color mode. None of the traditional
Amiga modes seemed to be affected. Other 4000 users, and people from
Commodore, have told me that this must have been a fluke of the machine I
reviewed. I'm willing to take them at their word.
Just so you know: I'm no longer working for BYTE. They cut me back to so
few words on the Amiga review, I quit! No, actually, I left to strike out
on my own as a freelancer and consultant, and to finish the multimedia book
I'm writing for Academic Press. I can't speak for BYTE's policies any more,
but in defense of this article: I did the best I could with the space I was
given and the time I had. I didn't get the A4000 from Commodore until two
days before the review's deadline, which had already been extended. You
might notice that my opinions on the A3000T/040 are much more fleshed-out,
because I had a couple of weeks with that system before the 4000 ever
showed up.
Thanks for your comments. I hope to continue furthering the cause of the
Amiga, as it deserves it, as a freelancer. I welcome comments and
suggestions from you.
I hope you all had a relaxing and pleasant holiday. (ty)
— END OF REPOSTING
Reading between the lines of sentence one and two, second paragraph: "I got
paid for this 'review' and the check cleared."
It's hard enough to define what "journalism" entails in the real world
of newspapers and television – but computer magazines are stuck in a
"trade journal" mode: no concern for truth, reprinted press releases,
editors who don't care – hey, maybe that *is* how you define
traditional journalism! 🙂
Not all computer magazines, John…
Definetly not all mags John. As you know very well. Lou
This is for both Lou and Denny, as well as anyone else who'd like to jump
in on this topic…
I do know that I prefer to associate with computer journalists that I think
strive for objectivity in print… so note that the editors from the two
magazines that I write for most often were the ones who piped up about my
message.
I should have inserted a modifier like "many" or "some" in my statement…
I'll make my statement another way, and maybe we'll agree. There's more
junk out there than can be ignored, yes? (And it isn't in the magazines we
write for, right?) I can't ignore the awful, suck-up reviews I've seen. I
can't ignore the mistakes and plagiarism I've seen first-hand between
InfoWorld and PC Week, for example.
On the other hand, I think it's important for computer consumers to realize
exactly what is done to strive to produce an accurate, objective
publication. I do think many editors work very hard to achieve this. If
you can illuminate this process from the perspective of your post at your
magazine, I'm sure it would be very interesting. Most computer consumers
don't get to hear about this – step right up!
No doubt there's always super-hero crime-fighting journalists out there…
hey, but we're never paid enough, are we? 🙂
Denny,
I enjoyed reading your review in the January 1993 COMPUTE, pages 74 &
76, on the Hewlett-Packard DeskJet 500C. The comments on both "Windows
and AmigaDos" clued that an Amiga user wrote it, and, of course, your name
was at the end of the blurb.
If you have any tips on configuring the DeskJet 500C for the Amiga
2000HD and various popular programs, it would be useful. The DeskJet
seems to be a bit tricky to setup. I've bought the printer driver from
Creative Focus. My dealer told me about it.
On my bridgeboard, the HOME program from AutoDesk for designing houses
did not have a specific driver for the DeskJet 500C. It is presently set
for the HP Quietjet High Res (HP Mode).
Have you used DiskMaster 2.0 by Greg Cunningham from Progressive
Peripherals & Software with the DeskJet? I like to print out the
occasional text file.
Sincerely,
(Mr.) Gayle Lee Fairless
'Perfessor Fearless'
BTW, the MicroSpeed Amtrac is working just fine!
Gayle,
Thanks for the note. I just use the settings recommended in the Super_DJC
documentations and find they work pretty well.
You might check AutoDesk's forum here on CIS (I'm sure they're around here
somewhere 🙂 and ask about a driver. I'm sure they have a DeskJet driver
for that program now.
I use the DJ mostly with ProWrite, Final Copy, PageStream, and ADPro. I'd
definitely suggest picking up either TruePrint/24 or AdPro if you're
interested in printing pics or posters.
I use DiskMaster 2 all the time, but I've never utilized its printing
capabilities. I do know that some early versions have printing problems,
and if you have a version <DM2.04, you should contact PP&S for an udpate.
…Denny
Denny,
I think you're right about the AutoDesk forum. Oh well, fortunately
AutoPilot doesn't have Whap!'s limitations on number of forums.
Thanks!
I would categorize most Amiga users I know as intelligent, dicriminating,
and, forward looking/thinking individuals with strong technical
convictions. (Ok, Ok, opinionated – so sue me!!) :^}
wmc – via Autopilot!
Actually we amiga types are more than a little opinionated, we create the
impression that we are techno-snobs among other platform users. It is not
hard to find people who are actively anti-Amiga in the MsDos world just
because of that attitude. Well, at least they can't accuse us of FALSE
pretenses of superiority now that the new machines are out (grin).
Maybe the company should adopt a new slogan to sell Amigas: "You don't
have an inferiority complex, your present hardware really is inferior."
Happy new year Wayne.
Tom: Read your post to Wayne…ROTFLOL!
That slogan you offered really does sum things up. I've recently busied
myself over on CIS' Multimedia Forum, which is increasingly dominated by
the Cult of Windoze (indeed, the "CD-I/CDTV/MPC" forum recently was
renamed, with great flourish, to the "CD-I" forum, because that's all
anyone over there wants to talk about. I encourage folks here to pop over
to MM and browse … and to throw in your two cents every now and then.
Those folks generally don't know what they're missing. I regularly offer
polite comments to folks along the lines of "…FYI, if you want
integrated speech synthesis cheap, buy an Amiga 600," or, "Just thought
I'd point out that besides CD-I, CDTV does that, too." Occasionally, I'm
thanked for my contribution. Usually, people take exception.
One guy threw out a query regarding a good desktop multimedia setup. I
came back with a long post about Amigas. To which he replied (I
paraphrase): "Yup. Know about 'em. Nice machines. But my purchasing
director only buys IBM or compatibles. I wouldn't risk pitching him an
Amiga or anything else, because if it didn't work, my a** would be in a
sling." Ironically, he went on to say he thinks Windows is a great
environment, and cited Animation Works from (guess who?) Gold Disk as a
program he's fond of!
Ah, the tyranny of the majority!