#V32.bis modem
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I just installed the Supra modem with V32.bis. I can't seem to find a
combination of settings that will let me get around on CIS.
It replaced a Supra 2400. I tried all three of the factory settings
configurations with no luck. All this is at 2400 baud. When logging on I
get a stream of similar characters and then Whap chokes at the menus.
I've tried other term programs too. I'm not to sure about the
handShaking, software or hardware controlled. When I came close to success
I would get severely mispelled words.
Does anyone recall what they changed to get this beast running smooth?
Any ideas to try?
Thanks any help,
–Paul
Whappin' from the Wine Country
Paul-
I didn't start on CIS until after I'd gotten my 9600 modem, but I *did* see
something like that on other hosts when I switched to it. What I switched
was on my terminal program (VLT) setup: the "flow control," which enables
the CTS-RTS (also known as 7-wire) handshaking to prevent the modem from
overrunning your Ami's input.
Bob
– (!) –
Thanks Bob, I saw that in the manual and have been trying it without any
luck. Would it be possible for you to give the "AT&V" command in your
software and capture the resulting answer that it gives you. I would like
to try your present configuration as a starting point.
Thanks for the help,
–Paul
Whappin' from the Wine Country
Paul- here's the output of my &V command:
at&v
ACTIVE PROFILE: B1 E1 L2 M1 N1 Q0 T V1 W0 X4 Y0 &C1 &D2 &G0 &J0 &K3 &Q5 &R0
&S0 &T4 &X0 &Y0 S00:000 S01:000 S02:043 S03:013 S04:010 S05:008 S06:002
S07:050 S08:002 S09:006 S10:014 S11:095 S12:050 S18:000 S25:003 S26:001
S36:007 S37:000 S38:020 S44:003 S46:138 S48:007 S49:008 S50:255
STORED PROFILE 0: B1 E1 L2 M1 N1 Q0 T V1 W0 X4 Y0 &C1 &D2 &G0 &J0 &K3 &Q5
&R0 &S0 &T4 &X0 S00:000 S02:043 S06:002 S07:050 S08:002 S09:006 S10:014
S11:095 S12:050 S18:000 S25:003 S26:001 S36:007 S37:000 S38:020 S44:003
S46:138 S48:007 S49:008 S50:255
STORED PROFILE 1: B1 E1 L2 M0 N1 Q0 T V1 W1 X4 Y0 &C1 &D2 &G0 &J0 &K3 &Q5
&R0 &S0 &T4 &X0 S00:000 S02:043 S06:002 S07:050 S08:002 S09:006 S10:014
S11:095 S12:050 S18:000 S25:005 S26:001 S36:007 S37:000 S38:020 S44:003
S46:138 S48:007 S49:008 S50:255
TELEPHONE NUMBERS: 0=T9876543210 1= 2=
3=
I didn't have to do anything incredibly weird to set it up, though, so I'd
be surprised if the Supra's setup is your problem. Silly question: is your
modem cable 7-wire? CTS-RTS don't mean a thing if the signals ain't there!
Another thing you might want to look at is your CIS terminal settings. I'd
used VLT for a bit before I got into Whap!, and discovered some of the
weirdness concerning using different word-length and parity for "normal
comm" and the Quick-B downloads.
Good luck-
Bob
– (!) –
Bob,
Thanks for the info. I will switch to VLT. I don't know if my cable is 7
wire. I am using the cable that came with the modem which was boxed with
IBM DOS software. How do I confirm the cable?
–Paul
Whappin' from the Wine Country
Hello, one suggestion I have is to make sure your serial port isn't set t
more than 19.2Kbps…the un-accelerated Amiga will choke if you try to run
faster than that. To make sure your modem cable is at least 7 wire, just
take a multi-meter and make sure you get a short between the male and
female connector on every pin. Now that I've had this SupraFaxModem V.32bis
for a while, I have it running pretty reliably, but since Supra hasn't
deemed it necessary to impart any info about the FAX capabilities, this is
where MY problems are at the moment. This was probably a marketing
decision, so that anyone that want's to use the FAX will have to buy their
software! Pretty sly, huh?
Robert:
There is a demo version of AFAX in the AmigaUSer library. It is reported to
work with CLASS 2 FAX/Modems, and the author says he's gotten reports from
Supra users saying that it does indeed work.
Michael
….from the north coast
Michael,
Is it possible to contact the author of AFAX via CIS?….I have
used AFAX demo successfully with my Supra but I dont really like its
operation. In the docs he says that a prefs FAX driver may be on the way,
if it is available or almost ready then I could be persuaded to register.
He also mentions a Euro distributor but fails to give an address.
Cheers
Paul
Paul
Plymouth,England
Paul…
If you have the AFAX demo, you'll find the internet address for C-Born
Software in there. I have sent and received mail to/from C-Born via
CIS-Internet.
Michael
….from the north coast
I got some silly MS-DOS FAX software with mine, it looks kinda hokey.
–Paul
Whappin' from the Wine Country
Well, I tried AFAX already, and haven't had any luck with it at all. The
included ReadMe files are somewhat confusing and conflict on several
points, so I just gave it up. I guess I'll have to break down and order the
Supra software. Since the modem is new on the market, there's probably
nothing else what will do! Thanks…
Robert:
There have been several users that have reported success with the Supra
v32bis modem and AFAX. Why not drop an EMail to David at C-Born and ask how
to configure AFAX for use with this modem? The internet address for C-Born
is in the AFAX docs and you can send your message through CIS EMAIL.
Michael
….from the north coast
Thanks, I just got email from Paul Lakey about this, so I'll let you know
the results!
Robert,
The Supra works with the demo AFAX here on CIS no problem at all,
its a little fussy to set up but it went first time for me. Its not exactly
user friendly so I am waiting to se what this GPFAX is all about before I
make a decision.
I just cant get the modem to return the BUSY or CONNECT 14.4 strings
reliably, did you suffer this problem?, if so I would REALLY like to know
the cure 😉
Paul
Paul
Plymouth,England
I'd really appreciate it if you would upload a small text-file on the
settings your using with AFAX…I had no luck with it at all, and kept
getting error messages (from the software) that aren't explained at all in
the included docs. As far as the CONNECT XXXXX messages I don't know what
kind of machine or term program your using, but if the Amiga, the serial
port is pretty slow, so I wouldn't use more than 19200 for the serial port
speed. Also, you should probably set the modem ATW command to W2 to have
the modem report the CONNECT speed as the true carrier speed, not the
terminal speed, but this again depends on your particular term program.
Thanks for the reply!
I'm not much of a hardware guru- usually, though, if the connectors have
seven pins or more, it's seven-wire. (Not always, though!) And I'm using
Whap! exclusively on CIS now, with no difficulties. Hmmm- one thing,
though, I have an unaccelerated Ami 2000, don't know what you have.
Good luck!
Bob
– (!) –
Paul,
It sounds as if you're overrunning your Amiga's serial port. What type of
Amiga do you have, and what baud rate are you using between the computer
and modem?
David
I have a 2500 with 68040. My serial preferences are at 31250 baud with a 4K
buffer in WB 2.04. Is there a better configuration that you would use?
–Paul
Whappin' from the Wine Country
Paul,
Hmmm… 31,250 sounds suspiciously like the MIDI baud rate to me. Try
either going up to 38.4Kbaud or down to 19.2Kbaud. MIDI baud rate is an
oddball in terms of the standard baud rates used for communications. rumor
has it that it was chosen because it was an even divide for the crystals
used for generating the music in synthesizers. Anyway, it may be that the
oddball baud rate is giving the Supra problems. (Notice the mathematical
relationship between the common communication baud rates.) With your
setup, you should be able to run at 38.4Kbaud, so I'd recommend trying that
first.
Hope this helps, 8)
David
Paul,
I am running a 2000 with 040 + Supra V32bis and I get some strange
happenings if I set the serial above 19200 (getting strange happenings
anyway ;-). I dont think that you would suffer any restriction if you use
19200, it would need a really good connection at 14.4 and you would need to
be transferring an unarchived file for it to require much more from the
serial.
Paul
Plymouth,England
Paul: My Supra 14.4 works just fine at 9600 with CIS. Here are my Whap!
parameters:
Initialize Modem: |~~ATZ|~~~~?K~~ATDT
7-Wire button ON
96 button ON
And then of course, you have to dial a 9600 baud CompuServe node. Not all
of CIS nodes are at 9600, so you will have to check the number listing for
your area. (GO PHONES). Hope you can get Whapping at 9600 soon!!
John – K7KB (via Whap!)
Paul
Here is how I have my v32bis setup for whap! and a 2400 baud node.(There
shouldn't be any difference but the baud rate for a 9600)
Init: |~AT&F2|?K~~ATDT
Set 7-Wire
Everything else is just standard like what Whap! comes setup. If that
doesn't getting you going check your cable and make sure you have lines 4
and 5 present. Those are the lines for RTS/CTS.
Kenny Supra Tech Support
Great,
That gives me a couple more things to check.
Thanks,
–Paul
Whappin' from the Wine Country
Just a note — make sure you've got RTS/CTS set from your Amiga
Preferences.
-sja
Supra: I couple of quirks I have noticed with my Supra 14.4. Every once in
awhile when the modem is dialing a number, it will get stuck on a certain
digit continuously generating that tone until I turn off the modem. Also,
the Busy detect doesn't always work correctly. Sometimes it will reset the
modem, other times it will work normally. I understand that a Rom upgrade
is in the works, any idea on when that will be available? Also is the Fax
software shipping yet?
John – K7KB (via Whap!)
John
The two problems you are having are quite unique, I have never heard of
them before. Try adding a &D3 to your init string or write it out to the
modems settings.(with &w)
The new ROMs are in the works and I have been told they will be available
the 15th of July. If you were refering to the Amiga fax software, yes it
is done and available now.(At lease as a package, the stand alone units may
be a couple of days yet)
Kenny Supra Tech Support
Hi!
I have received my SupraV32bis yesterday. While playing around with the
settings, I encountered several problems: The *H option won't work. The
Modem responds with ERROR. Is this bug unique or have others encountered
it?
While looking at the display of the settings done with &v, I found several
commands and registers which are not described in the manual: %Gx, S44,
S49, S50.
I haven't tried to play with them. Are they yet undocumented features or
not implemented yet (like the &Gx-command).
The supra of a friend of mine will disconnect after 5-10 mins. I've heard
from others that this behaviour is not unusual. Is it a bug or a problems
of settings?
Patrick
– via Whap!
Patrick
>I encountered several problems: The *H option won't work. The Modem
>responds with ERROR. Is this bug unique or have others encountered it?
There is no *H along with several commands that have to do with MNP10.
RockWell was unable to implement MNP10 like they thought they would, and we
had already wrote the manual based on the idea it would be there.
>While looking at the display of the settings done with &v, I found several
>commands and registers which are not described in the manual: %Gx, S44,
S49, >S50.
The %G is new, it turns on the fall back feature of v.32bis. The s
register setting I'm not sure about. None of them exist, I'm not sure why
the modem is displaying them. I think maybe a bit got shifted, because
they are all off by a power of two I think from the actually commands. I
will check on this tomorrow.
Your friends disconnects sound like line quality problems. With the fall
back/forward feature which is just now being implimented these problems
should go away. That is alot of the reason for the July 15 ROM upgrade.
Kenny Supra Tech Support
Kenny,
You mention the July 15th ROM upgrade, is this a "free" upgrade to
all registered users or a "phone up with credit card in hand and get your
name on the list" type upgrade? ;-).
As I am interested in both a ROM upgrade and a GPFax (software only) pack
could you tell me if it is possible to place an order for both these items
if I ring Supra Corp or are the prices etc not finalised yet?.
Paul
Paul
Plymouth,England
Paul
The ROM upgrade will be free, there might be a small shipping/handling
charge though. I believe that we are going to mail a letter to all
register users explaining exactly what to do. We are right now in the
middle of figuring out the best method to do all of this.
If you call Supra right now you can order the GPFax software. But right
now please hold off on calling about the ROM upgrade. You will be notified
if you have registered and calling us won't help you in getting it, it
will only keep people from getting in who have problems we can answer right
now.
Kenny Supra Tech Support
Kenny,
Is Supra shipping out units even though the July15 ROM is in the works?
A group of us here ordered ours two months ago, and still haven't received
them. Is Supra THAT backlogged? I've seen them for sale elsewhere, so this
is a little galling.
Thanks for your time,
Karl
– via Whap!
Karl
Supra is not holding up shipments because of the July 15 ROM upgrades. We
are shipping them out as quickly as we can make them.
If you place a order with Supra two months ago and havn't received it, them
give our sales people a call. They are the ones who can figure what is
going on.(800 727 8772)
Kenny Supra Tech Support
Thanks for your help, Kenny.
Karl
– via Whap!
What is involved in the Jul 15 upgrades?
Cheers, Paul (WA1OMM)
Paul
>What is involved in the Jul 15 upgrades?
Not much, it is quite easy and if you don't feel up to it you can let Supra
do it for you.(I bet even your dealer would do it for you)
Basically it means opening up the modem and replacing two ROMs. Both are
socketed and we supply the tools to do it. If you can follow the pictures
you shouldn't have any problem.
Kenny Supra Tech Support
Hi Karl!
Computer Success had, as of Friday, three of the Supra v.32bis modems on
the shelf. Amiga package too, I believe(w/ Fax SW).
Later,
Bill
P.S. Did you go to the AirShow? We planned to go Saturday and we nearly
froze our rears off! Low ceiling, too. Last year 95+, this year 55- !
– via Whap!
Grrrr. I WANT my modem. Will have to take Kenny's suggestion and call them
to check on it. I'm wondering if our "special group pricing" deal we got
actually took us outside the normal channels. Good price, but I hadn't
expected to wait months for it.
Yes, I went to the Dayton Air Show Saturday, but I wore long pants. Saw
some mighty frigid people there. I stayed a while, then went to get warm.
Sorry I missed you. I DID finally get to see the Wright Flyer replica go up
however.
(Now what does all this have to do with modems? Hmm.)
Karl
– via Whap!
Well, come to the air show in Santa Ynez this weekend – you might dehydrate
not freeze. Ceilings may be low in the AM and late PM. In between – well,
check that density altitude before you start to roll…
wmc
Well, on the "Busy signal resets modem" problem…. It _wasn't_ unique… I
just got my modem back — it had _that_ exact problem. Now I have another
"little" glitch…. I can't seem to get the modem to "translate" the
connection rates…
What I mean by this is:
I log on to a BBS on using a "Direct Mode" connection.
If the bit rate I used was 57600bps, and I connected to the BBS at 2400
bps, the modem -> computer speed _sometimes_ falls back to 2400 as well.
Is this supposed to happen? If not (and I would think not, I LIKE "locked"
serial connections), what command "fixes" the modem <–> computer data
rate?
Brian
– via Whap!
Brian
If you are using "direct mode", meaning a \N1, the modem DTE speed will
need to match the connection speed. That is how it is suppose to
work.(Page 11 of the manual explains that.)
Normal mode will allow you to fix the port speed.
Kenny Supra Tech Support
Hi, I have been having problems connecting with a USR HST Dual Standard,
using my SupraFAXModem v.32bis. It appears that I am getting a connection,
but I never get a CONNECT message, so my software (JRComm) hangs. I always
get connect messages with other BBS's, but not those using the USR modems.
Any suggestions? Also, re: MNP10, I was led to believe that this modem
fully supports this protocol…are you saying it doesn't? Thanks…
You might want to download the file SFSETU.LZH from library 5. I just
uploaded it. A sysop with that modem uploaded some information about
getting it set up, and it might help you. I haven't tried it, because I
don't have that modem yet.
Steve
Thanks for the info about that file…will do!
Yet another thing that this modem does differently from my DataLoss 2000!
Of course, AE's products were always wierd..
This may be asking too much, but could someone remind the "powers that be"
in whatever department that writes the manuals to put this information with
the "AT command descriptions" in appendix A? If you're going to explain ONE
command, you should explain ALL of them, no?
I'm one of those people who believes that when you look up a command in a
command reference, it should have some explanation of what the command
does… Looking up the "\N" command in appx A gives the following — not
very helpful — information:
\N Operating Mode — see chapter 2
\N Normal Mode
\N1 Direct Mode
\N2 MNP Reliable Mode
\N3 Autoreliable Mode
\N4 LAPM/MNP Reliable Mode
Sure — I see the "See chapter 2" _now_, but When I'm trying to do other
things…. Please pass this little manual gripe on… Nice modem though,
wish I could do CI$ @ 14,400….
Brian
– via Whap!
Your "Busy detect" problem sounds _real_ familiar! I used to have it Until
I sent the modem for repairs. I got it back now and am falling back in
love with it…
Brian
– via Whap!