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#LW4.0 Upgrade

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#118559From: RAD Moose @ NewTek, Inc.Aug 10, 1995 10:22 AM
I'm not sure this will work, but I am going to try to transmit a copy of a post I have prepared: To all owners of 3.5 Lightwave Standalone: The program to upgrade your Lightwave to LightWave 4.0 SA on Amiga, Intel, MIPS, and Alpha for $149 has expired. NewTek management has decided that at this time no other upgrade program will be offered to 3.5 SA owners. Management has requested that 3.5 SA owners who did not pre-order upgrades to 4.0, but are interested in upgrading to 4.0 when available, should send a letter to NewTek Customer Service. NewTek's address: 1200 SW Executive Drive, Topeka KS 66615 USA Fax Numbers: 1-800-854-7111, 913-228-8099, 913-228-8001 Those who send a letter will be placed on a list, and will be notified when 4.0 is released. IF another program for upgrade is made available, they will be notified. There are no plans to institute another upgrade program at this time, and Customer Service informs me that there is no promise that any other upgrade program for owners of 3.5 LW SA will be instituted. If management makes no changes in this matter, then there will be no upg to 4.0 SA, even within the Amiga platform, other than to purchase 4.0 at full retail. Please feel free to clip out and distribute the above text beginning with "All owners of 3.5…" and concluding with "…4.0 at full retail." via whatever services and venues you have available, electronic or print. Chuck Baker NewTek Tech Support Hmmm: looks a bit rough, but I think it is all there, except that "there will b no upg" should be "there will be no upgrade". This gives you the details as they stand at the moment, and I will pass your message to the product managers. Chuck.
#118809From: Muir RobertsonAug 12, 1995 2:44 AM
Chuck, Maybe you can pass this on as well. I must admit to being absolutely disgusted at what I consider to be an incredible con by people with clearly questionable moral values. Whatever happened to fair treatment to customers ? I could live with this decision to discontinue the upgrade if NewTek had informed all of their registered users – they have our addresses after all, and I certainly was not informed. I wonder how many others there are who will be getting a nasty shock. But the real isue is to say there is no time limit in a message to me: "No time limit on the offer, and I'm checking with our International sales department for info on how you should order your upgrade. You may check with our customer service department at 913-228-8000 to inquire, also." Message from Chuck B on 16 May 1995. I think the only fair process here is honour the upgrade for those who were not informed or had similar messages on time straight from the horses mouth. I would like some kind of response from NewteK management please. Muir
#118884From: Erik FlomAug 12, 1995 6:19 PM
I already got my upgrade, but I'm behind you poor guys 100%!! I think that it was _very_ unprofessional to weasel out on their upgrade offer without any prior warning. While I understand that this might garner them a _few_ extra dollars in the short run, they will be hurting what little remains of their standing in this community. (Even ignoring the fact that some users might not buy the upgrade _at all_ at the new price, they do stand to earn more cash from immediate sales.) I just got back from demoing LW on the SGI for three days, and several people expressed their comtempt of this 'new pricing policy'. Many of them felt that the upgrade price would be available up until the damn thing shipped, at least! Considering how NewTek has recently burned its customers, you'd think they'd want to stay friends with the few that remain loyal? Keep On Toastin' Erik Flom – ELF Works 3D Construction Co.
#118902From: Trent K. JohnsonAug 13, 1995 6:47 AM
>>I already got my upgrade, but I'm behind you poor guys 100%!!<< I too, ordered the upgrade on the last day. I'm miffed that I was "forced" to go for the Amiga version. Though I may be getting a Pentium or Alpha soon, I don't have either now. Of course, there's the further snub of closing off the upgrade before the software is even shipping, but… Frankly, besides a couple from Hank Teller, I recall seeing only my messages to Chuck regarding the flip-flop and subsequent cancelling of the upgrade program. I was quite surprised to see virtually no discussion of this rather "dubious customer service". I really wonder what was going on with NewTek marketing, since Chuck had to reverse his own message stating no cancellation, the very next day. All of this occouring just two weeks prior to the end date. Did marketing just forget to tell everyone, or did they just wait until it was impossible to get hold of all of us? I'm damn loyal to LightWave. It's been relatively cheap, easy to learn, and has helped earn me not only a fine supplement to a salary in the past, but my entire income now, for almost two years. But, things like this do nothing but shake my confidence. Everyone I have talked to, including dealers, have expressed great surprise that the upgrade program was given a time limit at all. In their view, and mine, this type of program should grow with the software, and be increased relative to the further up the revision scale you have to go. After all, isn't that what an upgrade program really is? There. I feel better. :-> Trent/ReAnimators
#118941From: Erik FlomAug 13, 1995 5:14 PM
Maybe if you keep the 'upgrade' unopened, you'll be able swap it for the platform of your choice in the next week or two? As you pointed out, the only messages about it have been contradictory, and the 2 week 'warning' was basically worthless. Oh well, they've got us over a barrel…. What're we gonna do? Buy other software?….. Keep On Toastin' Erik Flom – ELF Works 3D Construction Co.
#118958From: Trent K. JohnsonAug 14, 1995 5:41 AM
>>Maybe if you keep the 'upgrade' unopened, you'll be able swap it for the platform of your choice in the next week or two?<< Hmm, never thought of that. Good idea, if it arrives in the next couple weeks that is! :-> >>What're we gonna do? Buy other software?<< Yeah, I hear that! Trent/ReAnimators
#119010From: Erik FlomAug 14, 1995 5:22 PM
Whatever, I hope you get the upgrade you want, and didn't just give NewTek some money because they scared you into buying without notice. NT has to remember that they aren't on the Amiga platform. On the PC, They've got real competition in the field of 3D rendering. It's not like the only other option is Imagine…….. Keep On Toastin' Erik Flom – ELF Works 3D Construction Co.
#119158From: Alan RidgewayAug 15, 1995 10:59 PM
>>NT has to remember that they aren't on the Amiga platform. On the PC, They've got real competition in the field of 3D rendering. It's not like the only other option is Imagine…….. Keep On Toastin' Erik Flom – ELF Works 3D Construction Co.<< That's for sure. Between 3DS (which has a very loyal following) and Truespace (who is not sitting still on adding advanced features for its price(direct deformation, real time render) competition is going to be a fierce battle. Fortunately, 3DS is not expected to be finished porting to NT until Jan 96, maybe later, and Truespace animation capabilities is lacking features like envelope controls, bones and IK NewTek has a good nitch to fill. I would like to see some direct competition aimed at 3DS. The new plug-in framework is a start, an animation scripting language like 3DS would be good and perspective matching tools like 3DS would also be a good fight against 3DS. I would also like to see the ability to render flic and Avi as textures.
#119273From: Erik FlomAug 16, 1995 3:46 PM
LightWave does still have a lead – but as you point out, the competition is running pretty fast….. HIIP should solve your image/anim output problems. Elastic Reality seems to be interested in giving away the interface just to set a standard. Keep On Toastin' Erik Flom – ELF Works 3D Construction Co.
#119280From: Alan RidgewayAug 16, 1995 5:16 PM
>>LightWave does still have a lead – but as you point out, the competition >>is running pretty fast….. As much as I like Lightwave, I don't know how you could qualify LW having the lead. By # of licensed units 3DS has the lead, Alias on SGI has the lead for top of the line effects. I don't mean any disrespect to you or LW but I am not sure what qualification it leads in. Unless it the first major company to port to NT first??
#119390From: Erik FlomAug 17, 1995 8:06 PM
Let's not get into a religious war. I delete enough of those threads from comp.graphics…. If you feel differently, great. I don't give a rat's ass whether it's in the 'lead' or not. This is a NewTek/LW forum – I was trying to be polite. Keep On Toastin' Erik Flom – ELF Works 3D Construction Co.
#119431From: Wayne ColeAug 18, 1995 6:19 AM
I think he may have been referring to feature richness as opposed to sales. wmc – via Autopilot!
#119153From: john bennettAug 15, 1995 10:02 PM
I talked to a girl at NT today (8/14/95) and she said I could order the s/w by tommorow and wait on delivery til the complete LW 4.0 vers I want ships to decide on the platform. What a deal??? ….John
#119192From: Trent K. JohnsonAug 16, 1995 5:42 AM
Certainly different to what I was told… Trent/ReAnimators
#119326From: john bennettAug 17, 1995 12:37 AM
I failed to u/g in the time NewTek gave me. I got plenty of render power if I need it right now (4 040 Amigas). For many of us this LW addiction is just a hobby and learning experience. So I haven't had to fold to NT or another platform. I got plenty of toys now and can probably hold for a while, with my fingers crossed. ….John
#118925From: Muir RobertsonAug 13, 1995 4:48 PM
Erik. I think you are so right. I for one feel that the least NewTEk can do is inform those customers they have not contacted and offer them the chance to upgrade as they promised, if the customer declines then OK. I for one refuse to pay full retail price for an "upgrade" which I was offered at $149. I am afraid that this is the first time I have come across a company so keen to frustrate it's current user base. It is sad and from everything I know about customer service will just hurt NewTek in the future. I would certainly like more than a "pasted copy of a NewTek message" from Chuck (or dare I ask …Marketing) as a response to my question concerning getting the upgrade as committed for those not informed. This will probably be my last public posting on this but I needed to vent my anger and disbelief at NewTek. I am hoping for a positive ending to this tale ! Muir Cyberstormed A4000/Mac Quadra 900 The original Taunus Amiga
#118944From: Erik FlomAug 13, 1995 5:23 PM
Vent away! I wouldn't blame you for jumping to another package, if only to spite NewTek. Surely NewTek must realize that they'll probably lose more customer's than they could ever replace with the extra few hundred bucks made on the packages sold. (You figure if only 2 out of 3 users choose not to upgrade, then they've lost any benefit to the rate hike….Unless they're trying to _decrease_ the installed base of LightWave users?!?) So, how does LW do on your CyberStorm? What sort of speed improvements have you seen? (This is assuming you have an 060?) Keep On Toastin' Erik Flom – ELF Works 3D Construction Co.
#118996From: Muir RobertsonAug 14, 1995 3:50 PM
Erik, Thanks for the moral support. On the speed question I have a 40MHz 040, so can't give you a real feel for the speed of the 060. I thought the benefit of the Cyberstorm on rendering was good (2-4x better) with the 040 and on-board Fast RAM …. from what I have read the 060 is ca 2 times faster than this. Muir Cyberstormed A4000/Mac Quadra 900 The original Taunus Amiga
#119014From: Erik FlomAug 14, 1995 5:39 PM
You're running the same speed as my 'Warped' 4000. I just saw the 'Cyberstorm' and thought 060….Oh well…. Good Luck! Keep On Toastin' Erik Flom – ELF Works 3D Construction Co.
#119078From: Chris ShepardAug 15, 1995 11:53 AM
<<I just saw the 'Cyberstorm' and thought 060….Oh well….>> The 060 is pretty fast. In Video Toaster User, it says it "falls short of a Pentium 100 computer." The average speed increase over a 040/25 is 3.1x overall. There are renderings and options that make it as a high as 5.2x faster. I'm getting one myself when Macrosystems makes one for the A2000. Waiting for the MacroSystem's 060 accelerator to be released. Chris Shepard: 030/50 Toaster A2000 & MacIIfx via Emplant.
#119136From: Erik FlomAug 15, 1995 8:41 PM
I've got the Warp from Macrosystems – they say I'll have to send the board in for an upgrade if I want an '060. (Not what they said when I bought it, but is that a surprise?) I'll be getting my 133MHz Pentium this week. Eventually, I'm going to have to get the 060 just to keep from being frustrated by the slowness of the 40MHz 040…..:^) Keep On Toastin' Erik Flom – ELF Works 3D Construction Co.
#119152From: MICHAEL SMITHAug 15, 1995 9:36 PM
Erik,what 133 are you getting? I've been trying to decide what to do- I'm pretty interested in the DPS Perception system which need full length PCI slots- lots of clones fail the test. I'd be curious to know what you've decided – thanks Mike
#119173From: Kent S. LidkeAug 16, 1995 12:25 AM
Mike, Be advised, I had to clock my 100MHz down to 90 for the Perception to work. At SIGGraph, DPS said they had a software fix in work for this, to be available in the proverbial twoo weeks. Don't know any specifics re: 133 MHz. -Kent S. Lidke
#119274From: Erik FlomAug 16, 1995 3:46 PM
I went for a Micron Millenia. (They seem to be this year's favorite clone maker.) Ack, never considered that the Perception might not fit! (Oh well, it won't be the first time I hacked a case! }:^) Bad news on the Perception though! I ordered it 3 weeks ago, and now they're saying I _MIGHT_ get one by the end of August!!! (Good thing I held onto my PAR for a while….And I have an ethernet network…!) Keep On Toastin' Erik Flom – ELF Works 3D Construction Co.
#119290From: William KellerAug 16, 1995 6:40 PM
Erik I assume your getting the Pentium to use Stand Alone Lightwave, I also got a Pentium to do the same. Just out of curiosity how are you going to transfer the files back and forth? I have the Flyer and am not sure if you do or not but how would you suggest I transfer the files from PC to the Flyer? Any suggestions are helpful. Bill Keller
#119392From: Erik FlomAug 17, 1995 8:07 PM
If you can wait until Oct. You'll be able to read an article about it in VTU. It includes step-by-step instructions on setting up TCP/IP for the Amiga and Win95 or WinNT. In a nutshell: If you're making a one time leap from the Amiga platform, look into TwinExpress, or AmiFiler from Media4 productions. (Comm programs also work.) If you want to keep your Amiga as a functional part of a network, your best bet is to get an Ethernet card, and run TCP/IP on all your machines. (If you have a Novell network, then get the ACS package from Oxxi.) PS. The machine will be here tomorrow. Just got the 4GB drive (for $1099!!) this morning….The tension mounts…. Keep On Toastin' Erik Flom – ELF Works 3D Construction Co.
#119055From: Michael D BrennanAug 15, 1995 9:50 AM
Hi Erik, Nice work on the LightRom 2 CD ! I am fed up with Newtek, and I will no longer sell their products untill this bunk stops! I have been trying in vain for an answer on the upgrade policy for new 3.1/3.5 software purchases,not like it would matter with the way Newtek screwed the 3.5 stand alone people. AS a matter of fact, let me offer some advice. Pissed off 3.5 owners should contact the local office of the attorney generals department of consumer fruad ans complaint. (I don't know wat office serves Topeka) The consumer fraud division is very effective at settling things like this, and the more customers that jump on the bandwagon, the better! I have not posted this suggestion previously, hopping that Newtek would come around.I guess that they won't. None of my clients lost out, or I would have made noise a long time ago. Forum member please feel free to pass this suggestion to other bulletin boards. Chuck B, feel free to pass this on to management. I guess the policy will have to be" if they won't fix it,force 'em" Mike Brennan, Sir Render A/V.
#119071From: Erik FlomAug 15, 1995 11:51 AM
Thanks! I can understand your frustration – at least all your clients upgraded before the deadline. (It was hard enough explaining it on the show floor. I'd hate to be the guy who actually sold the stuff!) I haven't looked closely at the original offer. Was there ever a NewTek printed form or letter stating that upgrades would only be $149? And, are there any disclaimers? The traditional 'terms of this offer may be altered, or revoked, at any time, without prior notification' seems like it would have kept NewTek's ass out of a sling. Still, if NewTek doesn't make good on this offer, I doin't see why people shouldn't at least try your suggestion. Keep On Toastin' Erik Flom – ELF Works 3D Construction Co.
#119224From: Michael D BrennanAug 16, 1995 11:19 AM
Well, Chuck himself stated that the upgrade was in no danger of being cut, only to have eat his words a few days later.(I have that message) The offer was in print in all of the Amiga Rags,I believe that I have them also. My point is, that they ended an upgrade offer, before the product was even finished, and notified _no one_. If they had sent a registered letter to every user, and gave a reasonable time frame for yanking the upgrade, then they would be within their rights.Of course, I would still think that it was a bonehead move. What are new Lightwave owners to expect? You shell out 1000.00 for Lwave, and are we expected to pay full retail for every revision there after? Like I said,I'm putting my money where my mouth is, and I will not buy or sell another Newtek product untill Newtek management/marketing get their act together. I just can't support a company that makes such unfair desisions. Mike Brennan, Sir Render A/V
#119262From: RAD Moose @ NewTek, Inc.Aug 16, 1995 1:53 PM
I will have an announcement later today or tomorrow concerning the future upgrade programs for 3.5 LW SA owners, and NewTek will not be following any such policy as requiring LW SA owners to pay full retail for each new revision. In-house discussions have been very active on the issue, and the feedback received. A permanent policy will be in place that will provide a sensible template for advance upgrade offers, and post-release upgrade offers, and this policy will be in-line with accepted industry practices, and geared for customer satisfaction. Put simply, we'll have a good plan and everyone will know what to expect come upgrade time, from now on. I hope you will resume handling NewTek products with confidence, and I will pass your concerns and comments to management. Chuck.
#119277From: Erik FlomAug 16, 1995 3:46 PM
Yay! That's more like the old NewTek we knew! Keep On Toastin' Erik Flom – ELF Works 3D Construction Co.
#119375From: RAD Moose @ NewTek, Inc.Aug 17, 1995 3:37 PM
The update program will be posted this afternoon. I'm trying to figure out which message you were "YAY"ing. Gotta gotta Gotta, Gotta check those threads…. (quote from "An Online Love Song") Chuck.
#119393From: Erik FlomAug 17, 1995 8:07 PM
Just happy to hear that you will have a permanent site for upgrade information. Also glad to hear that NewTek has chosen to, again, try to be responsive to the needs of their most vital asset – their customer base. Keep On Toastin' Erik Flom – ELF Works 3D Construction Co.
#119473From: RAD Moose @ NewTek, Inc.Aug 18, 1995 2:12 PM
I had a good session today with Sales and Customer Service, on the best way to use CIS, InterNet, and the BBS to post and distribute information for our customers, very productive, very oriented toward making sure we keep our customers informed and make use of the avenues we have for hearing whatever they may have to say. We are developing some plans that will involve these departments preparing material for me regularly to keep news here up to date. Chuck.
#119300From: Michael D BrennanAug 16, 1995 7:57 PM
Thanks again Chuck. It would do my heart good to see a firm plan put into action. Kudos for your hard work in helping to resolve these issues. I'm certain,that in the long run,Newtek itself will reap the rewards of it's actions. I trust that the plan will be a good one. Mike Brennan, Sir Render A/V
#119377From: RAD Moose @ NewTek, Inc.Aug 17, 1995 3:51 PM
I will be posting the new plan today, and we will be implementing a standard policy from now on, so everyone will know what to expect on advance offers, and post-release offers, etc. Chuck.
#119320From: Trent K. JohnsonAug 17, 1995 12:19 AM
Thanks for sticking it out in the trenches for us Chuck! If I ever get to Topeka, there's a cool one on me! Trent/ReAnimators
#119380From: RAD Moose @ NewTek, Inc.Aug 17, 1995 4:04 PM
I didn't really have to do much anything in-house, just pass along a little feedback from here and the BBS. No real "work in the trenches", and was glad to do so. Management already was in discussion on the issue, and as is frequently the case, your voices and views helped shape the resolve. NewTek's managers take an active interest in the goings-on online, and are dedicated to making the company a great one for customers to deal with. Again, what you see from me is pretty reflective of the place I work for. Like anywhere else, there can be miscues and miscommunications, sometimes with bizarre results, and there was some element of that in the recent events regarding upgrades. Chuck.
#119276From: Erik FlomAug 16, 1995 3:46 PM
"My point is, that they ended an upgrade offer, before the product was even finished, and notified _no one_." That's almost exactly why I think they've made a terrible marketing decision! (I had heard about the price increase about one week before the deadline passed, but they sure didn't try to notify all registered users!) Keep On Toastin' Erik Flom – ELF Works 3D Construction Co.
#119298From: Michael D BrennanAug 16, 1995 7:49 PM
Hi Erik. Yes, a terrible decision indeed ! I often wonder how things like that happen. Is MehdI Ali working for Newtek ???? I'm sure at some point, they will come around. But bad feelings about it will take some time to diminish. I really like Newtek's products,and I admire Chuck B for being in the hot seat and somehow keeping things together. I do applaud Newtek for putting Chuck here! But the bottom line is that they have to remember that part of what they should be selling is peace of mind. Yea, that's it.A peace of mind promise. Sort of like POMP under any…..Oh, wait a minute, I think I hear Henry Teller's layler at my door….. 🙂 Mike Brennan, Sir Render A/V
#119394From: Erik FlomAug 17, 1995 8:07 PM
Ack! No more lawyers!! :^O It sounds like NewTek has made a decent compromise. I haven't had a chance to check the notice yet, but the rumours sound right…. Keep On Toastin' Erik Flom – ELF Works 3D Construction Co.
#119432From: Wayne ColeAug 18, 1995 6:19 AM
>>My point is, that they ended an upgrade offer, before the product was >>even finished, and notified _no one_. Not quite. They notified me. Got a postcard in the mail that said the offer ended Aug 15. I got that card about July 15. wmc – via Autopilot!
#119111From: RAD Moose @ NewTek, Inc.Aug 15, 1995 5:12 PM
Mike, some of your comments are simply uncalled for. The issue on 3.1/3.5 has had answers posted, including one from Hank which quoted a dealer's letter. To recap: Video Toasters shipped after 1/1/95, and which have 3.1/3.5 software in the package are eligible to receive 4.0 free when it is ready; they must register the product, and the software will be shipped automatically. 3.1/3.5 Upgrade packages sold off the shelf at this time, would also be eligible for a free automatic upgrade when VT 4.0 is released, and they nust nust=must, excuse me; must register the product to receive this. These answers are always available with just a call to our 800 numbers for dealer sales or customer service, and if you check the library you will find that I recently posted a NewTek directory with all the phone and fax numbers anyone might need to work out a situation with NewTek. For future: I will develop a file for the library which lists all current upgrade and special programs, and will replace that file whenever there are changes. Lastly, I should have an announcement to post for owners of 3.5 Lightwave very shortly. Until then letters and faxes regarding the upgrade situation should still be submitted to Customer Service at the main address or at the fax numbers listed in the directory or my other postings here. If I somehow missed getting these answers directly to you, my apologies. Chuck.
#119138From: Erik FlomAug 15, 1995 8:41 PM
Chuck: To your credit, I was aware of everything you just posted, so the message is getting out there. Keep up the good work! I can understand Michael's confusion, though I had a feeling he was misinterpreting parts of the current upgrade policy. Your text file should solve all these problems….Yeah, right! }:^) Keep On Toastin' Erik Flom – ELF Works 3D Construction Co.
#119233From: RAD Moose @ NewTek, Inc.Aug 16, 1995 12:30 PM
Thanks for the kind words! As we get time to figure things out and establish good communication habits, misunderstandings and missed cues should drop way down. The "phonebook" file and a regularly updated file on current update and special offers should help. Chuck.
#119159From: Alan RidgewayAug 15, 1995 11:03 PM
To support Chuck, I am a pc owner, never used an Amiga, but reading this forum regularly, even I knew the upgrade policy.
#119238From: RAD Moose @ NewTek, Inc.Aug 16, 1995 12:44 PM
Thanks, Doug. I will have some news to post on upgrade policy later today or tomorrow. Chuck.
#119225From: Michael D BrennanAug 16, 1995 11:24 AM
THanks,Chuck. _You_ , I have faith in. I hope that you understand my need to clarify. Newtek lost me with the 3.5 Bull, and I've been unable to make any moves on your products due to the fear of sudden unfair revision. Again, thank you for your help. Mike Brennan, Sir Render.
#119257From: RAD Moose @ NewTek, Inc.Aug 16, 1995 1:40 PM
You are welcome, Mike, and I hope that in time it becomes generally understood that I am pretty much representative of NewTek and NewTek's intention to provide great products and unmatched service. What I work at here is to try the reflect the view that Tim Jenison has of how NewTek should relate, truly nothing more or less than that. We've had some difficulties in communications and have not been present in some venues we should have been serving, such as this Compuserve area, formerly, but those are all issues that NewTek has been applying itself to during the last year or more, since the major changes in management. I am learning and developing in my role here and on the BBS, and as I learn I will be able to find ways to correct difficulties and get information to those who need it in a timely and effective manner, and get responses and input from our customers here back to the managers who need it in our own halls. From this point on there will be a clear policy in place on advance offers for forthcoming upgrades, and on the upgrade pricing program which will follow actual release of a new revision of software, and that these will be in line with the established practices of this industry. We've learned from the experience of this program lapse, and will have a good-sense approach to the issue in future. I will pass your comments along to management, and I hope you will resume dealing with NewTek products with a renewed confidence. I will be posting an announcement for LW SA 3.5 owners later today, or tomorrow. Chuck.
#119301From: Michael D BrennanAug 16, 1995 8:03 PM
Very good news, indeed ! Thanks again for your hard work. Mike Brennan, Sir Render A/V
#119378From: RAD Moose @ NewTek, Inc.Aug 17, 1995 3:52 PM
Thank you for the kind words! Chuck.
#118949From: Bernie ParentAug 13, 1995 7:55 PM
I agree. As a registered owner of a Toaster system I have yet to receive any information about updates, trade-ups, PC lightwave the flyer, etc. I even called Newtek asking them to send me info about such things and all I got two week later was two advertising slicks.
#118973From: RAD Moose @ NewTek, Inc.Aug 14, 1995 10:45 AM
I will pass your message to management for their consideration, as well as the additional comments from those who have posted replies. I'm sure the company will consider the message my error. In speaking with customer service, they state that the ending date of July 31st was an extension of June 30th ending date for the $149 upgrade/crossgrade program, set last December. When it did sink in on me that $149 ug/cg was going to be over July 31st, it still never occurred to me that nothing would replace it; I had conversations with marketing staff that indicated no plans for a new program, and simply thought that meant they hadn't decided yet or I was misunderstanding them. Instead…. To cut to the probable outcome, my apologies for any incorrect information I provided you in May, and if you missed any corrections to that which I posted subsequently. I will work to make sure any information I post regarding any special price programs or upgrade offers is completely accurate, and I will never again assume, when I hear something that seems too outre to believe, that I am misunderstanding someone. I will get the issue completely clarified. Chuck.
#118997From: Muir RobertsonAug 14, 1995 3:50 PM
Chuck, Thanks for the explanation. I certainly do not blame you but I think you are dead right not to trust what you are told. Incidently I bought my LW3.5 software last October and there was no mention of a time limit to the upgrade offer anywhere in the package. Talk about your "customer service" folks operating in a vacuum. I sincerely hope that whoever needs to decide on these things does the right thing and make a once off offer to those folks registered with you to get the upgrade at the quoted price. Maybe you could give us the name of someone high enough up who would appreciate some customer feedback and would be able to make a decision on this issue if I and others care to write officially. Muir Cyberstormed A4000/Mac Quadra 900 The original Taunus Amiga
#119096From: RAD Moose @ NewTek, Inc.Aug 15, 1995 3:59 PM
Customer Service informed me that any communications were to be directed to them, but a letter to them and a separate copy mailed to Tim Jenison would be appropriate. Chuck.
#119272From: Muir RobertsonAug 16, 1995 3:24 PM
Thanks and will do. Muir Cyberstormed A4000/Mac Quadra 900 The original Taunus Amiga
#119373From: RAD Moose @ NewTek, Inc.Aug 17, 1995 3:32 PM
I will be posting an update on the Upgrade program later today. Chuck.
#119044From: Trent K. JohnsonAug 15, 1995 4:03 AM
>>To cut to the probable outcome, my apologies for any incorrect information I provided you in May, and if you missed any corrections to that which I posted subsequently.<< Although there was certainly some confusion, I think Marketing would have done better to notify SA users by mail, since the decision was made in December. I don't think any fingers should be pointed at you. Cheers! Trent/ReAnimators
#119105From: RAD Moose @ NewTek, Inc.Aug 15, 1995 4:21 PM
Thanks for the kind words! Still, there's gotta be a way to keep such upleasant surprises from happening, and I'm going to do whatever I can to make sure every one who uses this venue gets no such surprises. Chuck.
#119176From: Jonathan BlackwellAug 16, 1995 12:40 AM
Do you know if LightWave will support the Creative 3D Blaster? -Jonathan MAC Quadra/486PC compatible courtesy Amiga, Emplant and BB. Emplant beta tester. Running AP v1.80. E-mail: JonathanB@delrina.com http://www.delrina.com
#119243From: RAD Moose @ NewTek, Inc.Aug 16, 1995 12:49 PM
Lightwave will not include custom card support in the initial multi-platform port. Support of the most common graphics display modes for traditional image-file rendering with the successful transport of our modeling and animation features is the traget for the initial port, and future revisions will address such issues as OpenGL, support for specialized 3D graphics display standards and hardware, etc. Chuck.
#119247From: Jonathan BlackwellAug 16, 1995 1:08 PM
The 3D blaster support CGL and the other Microsoft API's. I saw it and got a prototype at the Creativity 95 developer's conference. As I understand it, TrueSpace, and Imagine will both support it shortly. Oh well. If you don't know what it is… it is a 3D accelerator made for gaming and 3D design applications. -Jonathan MAC Quadra/486PC compatible courtesy Amiga, Emplant and BB. Emplant beta tester. Running AP v1.80. E-mail: JonathanB@delrina.com http://www.delrina.com
#119263From: RAD Moose @ NewTek, Inc.Aug 16, 1995 1:57 PM
I guessed correctly at the nature of the product. Again, support for things like this is planned for the future, once the basic port is complete. What is "BB", in your tagline? Chuck.
#119304From: Jonathan BlackwellAug 16, 1995 9:06 PM
BB = BridgeBoard -Jonathan MAC Quadra/486PC compatible courtesy Amiga, Emplant and BB. Emplant beta tester. Running AP v1.80. E-mail: JonathanB@delrina.com http://www.delrina.com
#119379From: RAD Moose @ NewTek, Inc.Aug 17, 1995 3:53 PM
Ooooohhhh! Bridgeboard! Gee, I'd forgotten about those babies… Chuck.
#119185From: Tim W. BurnsAug 16, 1995 1:50 AM
Hi… I hesitate to jump into this wild fray but what the heck. Why is this getting so darn complicated? You'd think the geniuses who practically invented desktop video and one of the best 3D packages ever would be smart enough to know that software upgrades are usually offered AFTER the software has been written. Is that such a tricky concept for them to grasp? 1. Write the software. 2. Notify the users. 3. Collect the cash. That's the way it's done by reasonable companies. Is NewTek so desperate for cash that they're ready willing and eager to screw their own loyal users over a measly software upgrade? Trust me, this is not the way for a struggling company to win market share. What really gets me is that, from what I've read, LW 4.0 on the Amiga isn't all that much of a major upgrade. Most of the money Amiga users are paying for the upgrade was simply used to finance the port to other platforms. As you can probably tell, I haven't ordered my upgrade yet. And for your part, I think you're doing a terrific, invaluable job on this forum. But tell Tim Jenison that this is no time to make the career change from full time whiz kid to big time jerk… Yours three-dimensionally, Tim Burns
#119244From: Jonathan BlackwellAug 16, 1995 12:50 PM
Or they do the following: 1) Order the t-shirts. 2) Develop a software package. 3) Figure out what the market is. 4) Sell the software. 5) Beta test the software (end users are great for this). 6) Sell bug fixes as upgrades. -Jonathan MAC Quadra/486PC compatible courtesy Amiga, Emplant and BB. Emplant beta tester. Running AP v1.80. E-mail: JonathanB@delrina.com http://www.delrina.com
#119252From: RAD Moose @ NewTek, Inc.Aug 16, 1995 1:20 PM
First, may I assure you that Tim has not made a career change. I hope to have some better things to announce on the upgrade issues later today (sigh of great personal relief, here). My experience with companies, especially in the Amiga market, has been that there are frequently offerings of forthcoming (not finished yet) upgrades at special prices, and on several occasions I paid my money and waited. The result was that I paid substantially less than those who did not buy until the upgrade was in release. The code for LW on all the platforms is substantially the same, so no, Amiga owners are not subsidizing ports and getting nothing in return. They are buying a product. Product profits always roll back into development, since if they didn't, there would never be new products or improvements to old ones. We have devoted a lot of effort and expense to developing a product line for future that will not be held hostage to the fate of any one other company or platform, over this last year. We are at the point of success on this, and the result will be that NewTek will be here to support and upgrade our products for all our product owners on all platforms, including the Amiga, for a great long time to come. Would you prefer we had elected the alternative of so many other companies in the Amiga market, and simply folded the tents and walked away from the orphans? I think not, and I'm sure once we get through the remaining rough spots and "educational experiences", the outcome will be well worth the effort, for all involved. I will pass your comments along to management, and appreciate your taking the time to comment on what is a very important issue for Lightwave owners. Chuck.