#Cserve Lowers Rates???
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Has anybody experienced a general slowdown of functions on Cserve since they
"lowered" their rates? I'm using WinCim, always have. That may be the problem,
but simple things like exiting a forum cause my mouse curser to go to the 'ol
hour glass for up to 10 seconds at a time. Meanwhile the connect time clock
keeps rolling along. This didn't happen before. I went to GO Charges and the
hour glass lasted 15 seconds! I've been using a 14.4 modem.
I know this is not a 3DS issue but I spend a lot of time here and would like to
know if it's only my system.
Guess I need to get NAVCIS PRO to combat these new "lower rates" <BG>
What are some other navigators for Cserve?
TIA!
Bill – Triffet Animation Co.
Nah Bill,
What's causing the slows is the tremendous increase in system usage since the
prices have dropped. Seems like everyone is doing all them things that the
monthly bill used to make them hesitate to do……<g>.
>>What's causing the slows is the tremendous increase in system usage since the
prices have dropped. Seems like everyone is doing all them things that the
monthly bill used to make them hesitate to do……<g>.<<
Makes sense. Several of my clients who swore by AOL have come over : )
Bill – Triffet Animation Co.
I've noticed it, too. Also noticed significantly more difficulty just getting
through to my local gateway, so it may be that the reduced rates and the
elimination of extra "Extended" charges have combined to incite Joe User (or
his peanut-butter-encrusted offspring; after-school hours seem worst) to spend
a lot more time on-line. Is that the sound of virtual cash registers I hear,
all the way from CI$ HQ?<G>
I'm using Auto-pilot now, just so I can get in and out in a hurry during the
day, then doing any library browsing late at night when usage is lower anyway.
SCL
>> Also noticed significantly more difficulty just getting through to my local
gateway<<
Yeh, me too. I've had WinCim time out twice this week on logon. Had to increase
the retry value so it wouldn't hangup. Glad it's not just me!
Bill
>> then doing any library browsing late at night when usage is lower anyway.
<<
I don't know what reader you use, but NAVCIS allows offline library browsing.
– ej
I haven't reached any conclusions about general CIS slowdown, but I wouldn't
doubt it.
I do find it amazing that my local CIS number is the only one I have trouble
connecting to on a regular basis. Especially when I can connect to California
(from Michigan) cleanly every time. Frankly, I wish they'd have kept the
rates where they were and used the extra money to upgrade their modems and add
more local numbers.
— James — Choreo Motion —
>> I wish they'd have kept the rates where they were and used the extra money
to upgrade their modems and add more local numbers.<<
I used to just exit the forum, compose my replies, then rejoin the forum. Now I
must log off of Cserve completely. Guess that's why those third party
navigators are so popular. Having 28.8 local numbers would be nice at this
point. Maybe with all the increased revenue they're getting! <G>
Bill – Triffet Animation Co.
Hay you mean that we (I) in London have a 28 and areas of the US don't?
Wow CIS must like us brits!
Matt 🙂
-Mike Allen
Actually CIS is doing exactly that, but at the lower rates. ALL nodes in the US
are to be at least 28,800 baud within a year (actually less than that now).
They are adding new nodes not only in the States, but around the world (and the
new one's are 28,800 baud). In addition, they're also adding services not only
to CIS, but to the Internet interface too. Pretty soon a CIS member will be
able to have his own WWW page…..<g>.
In truth, it's the 'net interface, and the anticipated usage that is creating
the upgrade to 28,800 for the nodes.
OH!!!! They're also adding hardware like mad too (now that they've gone to the
Intel machines for servers).
I'm glad the hear they're upgrading. Yet, I don't understand why it should
take "months" to upgrade the modems. It seems like "weeks" is a more
reasonable time frame. How long does it take to unplug a modem and plug a new
one in?
I know it's not _that_ simple. 🙂 Like you said, server's are part of the
bottleneck, and so I'm glad to hear they're working on that too!
Thanks, BTW, for the update. I think CIS should post stuff like this more
frequently in the "What's New" items.
— James — Choreo Motion —
Do you have any idea just how many nodes there are on the CIS network just here
in the states ??? And it's a little more than just plugging in another modem.
Upgrading the existing nodes is only one of the things they are doing. In
addition to this, they are adding continuously to the net, and new nodes are
going in at 28.8 V34. From what I understand, it takes about a week for a team
to upgrade a node and do all the tests.
In addition to this, the Chicago hub was upgraded to fiber optics just this
last year in anticipation of the new network speeds. They're also adding some
ISDN sites too. Chicago either has some already, or is scheduled to get some
this month. All you gotta do is convince the phone co to give you an ISDN
hookup……….<g>.
> Do you have any idea just how many nodes there are on the CIS network just
here in the states ??? And it's a little more than just plugging in another
modem. <
I rather expected you to say that! 🙂
The number of nodes is only relavant in terms of the number teams available to
perform the upgrades. This goes back to my original comment in this thread
about wishing that CIS would have kept the rates where they were and used the
extra money to perfrom upgrades. ( ie. If they don't have enough upgrade teams,
then hire / train more teams with the extra money.)
Besides, this is all just IMHO. I'm sure nothing I say is going to infuence
the way CIS does business, so my foolish ramblings are just an exercize of the
first amendment.
— James — Choreo Motion —
James –
The worse node I use (other than the horrible TYMNET node at my mom's in VA) is
my 14400 baud local node. It is busy a lot or does a RNA (ring, no answer).
However the 2400 baud node is quite clean and I will use it if I'm just doing
message management.
We've been told that CIS has a priority on increasing local numbers and on
converting a lot of the lower baud rates to 28800. Sure wish they would hurry!
I also notice the slow down just about the time school lets out on the East
Coast <G> I use Tapcis and occasionaly get a Time Out but for downloading my
play forum, it works great.
Anne
Anne:
I noticed yesterday when you GO PHONES there is even a category for 28,800
baud nodes not just 2400, 9600, 14,400. I couldn't find a single active node
but it looks like progress. I saw a higher speed category, too. The future of
CIS looks pretty quick. Pretty soon we will have a realtime video
teleconferencing service for support. No more computing in your underwear!
– Bob Ritger
Bob –
What!! No more sitting here in the morning in my granny gown, old fuzzy
sweatshirt and socks? <G> Drat! Actually San Rafael just got an active 28.8
node and I know there is one working in Cambridge, MA for all the colleges.
Somehow I doubt that Portland, ME is high on the list. I've been through 1200,
2400, 9600 and now 14400. Difference is remarkable when working with the size
library files the AMMEDIA folks tend to upload.
Anne
>> Difference is remarkable when working with the size library files the
AMMEDIA folks tend to upload. <<
Just wait till we all start having ISDN lines and put up 50 meg AVI's and
Flics !!!!! 🙂
Matt 🙂
-Mike Allen
Groan – 50 meg files? I released a zip to the library last night that unzipped
to 6.7 meg <G> I think it was the first week that I was Sysop here that there
was a fascinating fly through of a house under construction loaded up. Think it
was about 5 meg zipped and closer to 10 unzipped. I know my desktop 486DX2-66
with it's tiny little hard drive is NOT long for this work. I keep some of the
more spectacular images on the hard drive to show friends who visit and can't
quite understand what all of this is about.
I dont' know what an ISDN line is (ignorance showing!). Would you please
explain?
Anne
ISDN, (might have a different name in the states) are digital lines that work
with the next generation of Modems, they are far faster. In the UK,
London will have a ISDN line by January, I think they move about 6K+ a second
hence 3x faster than my 28,000!!!!!
Hope my 3D Stills are on your HD ROFL, I have some widesreen stuff planned
soon, do you have 3D Studio?
Matt 🙂
-Mike Allen
Mike –
Yes I have 3DS and am what you would call the ah… ah… rudimentary student
level. I can view the images and meshes uploaded and have worked my way through
most of the tutorial. One day I hope to sit behind someone who really knows the
program and see how it is really supposed to work. <G>
Anne
What you would see is…
Bearded people swearing and moaning at innocent PC's, blaming everyone for
using the manuals and not putting them back. And writing loads of questions
for this forum hoping somebody else knows how to do it.
I do all the above except I dont have a beard, (although Grge W, keeps
trying to grow one LOL).
You didn't say if you liked Trek stuff <g>
Matt 🙂
-Mike Allen
Mike –
Hubby Joe is bearded, swears at his computer and watches all the Trek stuff.
Manuals? Those things holding up the broken table leg? <G>
Anne
Mike,
There are already ISDN lines here in the states and they're running at 56,600
baud. The latest listings show many of them.
In in the UK, so I'll have to wait, 56,000 = 5.6K is that right?
or is it 56k?
Matt 🙂
-Mike Allen
Oops….that was supposed to be 57,600 baud. It'll equate to about 5500
characters per second (actually 5760 on clean lines at top speed).
I have an AVI file at work showing the "lighting of the charcoal". Yep, the
RIGHT way to warm up about 60 pounds of charcoal. It's about 50 megs long.
LAM
PS: They used 3 gallons of liquid oxygen. Can you say good-bye grill <g>?
Robert,
>> 28,800 baud nodes not just 2400, 9600, 14,400. I couldn't find a single
active node but it looks like progress. I saw a higher speed category, too.
We finally got a 28.8 node here in San Rafael, CA, and it's really nice. Those
higher speed categories you saw are 57.6K, and are V120, which is ISDN. They
just opened one in San Francisco; I'm really tempted…
John
John:
I checked for 28,800 nodes in states neighboring NJ and came up blank for now.
I guess it's just a matter of time before a 28,800 or higher node shows up near
me. I didn't check for 57,600 or v120, I'll have to check again soon.
– Bob Ritger
>> I guess it's just a matter of time before a 28,800 or
>> higher node shows up near me.
I noticed somewhere that a northeast area cable company was providing
Internet access on a trial basis and the data rate is in excess of MB/sec or
even higher. In my own area the cable company is putting in optical fiber for
increasing the number of channels and bi-directional or interactive use.
So your dial tone may not come from the telephone company.
Just a thought, if mayby not probable (or soon if probable).
Albert:
My home state of New Jersey is in the process of stringing fibre optic cable
all over the place and the whole state will be ready soon for some high-speed
data transmission. I have no idea what the schedule is, maybe they'll be done
in my lifetime <G>.
– Bob Ritger
>> Frankly, I wish they'd have kept the rates where they were and used the
extra money to upgrade their modems and add more local numbers. <<
I read, in a trade journal a few months ago, that CIS plans to double the
numbers of dial-in nodes (to 80,000 i think) and switch to 28.8k modems around
the first of the year. Let's hope they do!
– ej
> CIS plans to double the numbers of dial-in nodes <
That's good to hear. I've been trying to talk a few of my relatives into
getting CIS, but they always cry "Not on Long Distance!" 🙂
— James — Choreo Motion —
>Especially when I can connect to California (from Michigan) cleanly every
time.<
Do you live in Michigan? What part?
>Frankly, I wish they'd have kept the rates where they were and used the extra
money to upgrade their modems and add more local numbers.<
They are doing both. They have 42,000 modems now and will have 85,000 28.8K
modems over the next year.
<< Do you live in Michigan? What part? >>
How are you related to Michigan, Tim?
Mark
Bill:
I'd have to say if there is a slowdown I haven't noticed. Since I use NavCIS I
click the "NEW" button and let it rip. John Dvorak's voice then literally tells
me, "NavCis is going online. Time for you to take a break". I always take him
at his word and grab a snack, catch a couple of minutes of the news or check
out a magazine. Invariably when I return in about 3 minutes I'm ready to read
messages.
– Bob Ritger
Try Nav-Cis Bill, its amazing! I downloaded it from the Duvorak forum about
20 days ago and it must have made me 1000% more productive and cut my bills by
80%!!!!. I to have noticed a slow down in WinCIM, and I have a 28,000 modem!
Matt 🙂
-Mike Allen
>>Try Nav-Cis Bill, its amazing! I downloaded it from the Duvorak forum about
20 days ago and it must have made me 1000% more productive and cut my bills by
80%!!!!. I to have noticed a slow down in WinCIM, and I have a 28,000
modem!<<
Going to D/L it tonight! Thanks for the info!
Bill -Triffet Animation Co.
Is there much difference between CS Navigator from CIS and Nav-CIS? I like the
fact that WinCIM and CS-NAV share message folders, etc. Does Nav-CIS do this?
Is there really a big difference?
JNJ
erm, it may do, I'm still using the Shareware version (waiting for the real
thing to be delivered). The main benefits for Nav-Cis are speel checking and
ease of use. Nav-Cis is far more user freindly than Cis-Nav.
If you go to the Duvorak forum here on CIS you can Download the shareware
version and have a look at it before you buy.
Matt 🙂
-Mike Allen
>The main benefits for Nav-Cis are speel checking<
Speel checking, hmm.. sounds, um, useful. <g>
JNJ
oh bugger LOL
Forgot to check that one, I was tired etc! 🙂
Matt
-Mike Allen
> Forgot to check that one<
Just thought that was an interesting convincing argument. 🙂 Mabe they should
make it actively check, or automatically check anything sent out after 11:00.
<g>
JNJ
After about 7pm LOL
Matt,
Or just get it to make sure you have sent replies before you sleep!
-Mike Allen