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The FCC has given tentative approval to having an access charge of four to
five dollars for information services like compuserve. I don't know all the
details but it is going to make accessing data bases like compuserve quite
a bit more expensive than it is now. It probably won't help to write the
FCC (after I wrote them a letter they sent me back a whole sheaf of
gobbledygook concocted by some attorney to make it difficult or impossible
to make sense out of what action to take to stave off this ridiculous
charge. This is just another fine example of your government at work. This
is what we pay taxes for. Of course the businesses that pay the access
charge can write it off, but the average Joe who wants to use the nets is
going to be screwed. If anyone has any suggestion on what might be done to
help ourselves, I am all ears. Marc Baime
There will be more info coming next week as to what we all can to do oppose
this proposed surcharge. If allowed to go into effect, it will affect not
only but all private networks (GEnie, TeleNet, TymNet, PC Pursuit, etc.).
Any former 60's activists here ready for a march on DC?
As Telecommunications Director for the Boston Computer Society, I've been
asked by the BCS to respond to inquiries from Sen. John Kerry's and Rep. Ed
Markey's offices on the dimensions and implications of the FCC's proposed
order. I would appreciate your collective feedback (for or against) to
help us develop a well-reasoned and reasonable response.
I'll be checking into this forum frequently, but you can Easyplex me if
you'd like.
Thanks, Dick tenEyck
My response is:
1. By adding a $5/hr/user access fee to simply connect to a
network, the FCC is for all practical purposes, eliminating the vast
majority of private users from these services (such as CIS). $6/hr access,
suddenly becomes $11/hr access and $12/hr access suddenly becomes $17/hr
access…with the users paying the fees. Considering the baud rates and
hourly rates…it would just be way too much for most private users
(non-corporate users).
2. The FCC only imposes a $1/month access fee for residential
access to the long distance networks, and that fee will rise to about
$5/month…why should access to network services cost $5/hr when long
distance is only $5/month…a difference of 720 times the rate or a 72,000%
increase for essentially the same service (the ability to connect with a
distant location).
3. Deregulation and the break-up of AT&T was supposed to make
services more competitive, not eliminate them.
4. Corporate services such as VISA use nationwide networks for such
things as credit verification/stolen card checks. Since by it's very
nature, it must be a 24hr a day operation, imposing a $5/hr connect fee
would increase their costs per line by $3,600/month or $43,000/year and
that cost would be passed on to the consumer. I suspect they have at least
1,000 lines around the US, thus for that one service alone, would cost the
consumer 43 Million dollars a year.
5. The present system works! Why mess with it? It doesn't cost
the local BOC's 1 cent extra to provide hook up to a network once it's
installed. Charge for the installation…but once installed, leave it
alone!
6. Etc.
One of the worst effects I see in this proposal is that it will tend to
kill what may become a household necessity in the future. There are not
many families in North America who see radio, television, phones, and
electricity as luxuries or frills, and I think the day is coming when
computer hookups on a worldwide scale will fall into the same category.
There are a number of things I can only dream about now that should become
commonplace. Things like being able to dial one access number and have
gateways to all other services through my primary one, much as you can
connect worldwide through the local telephone system.
We, as telecommunicators, major networks, even local BBS's, are shaping the
future of the medium. To make the cost prohibitively high will mean that
only the affluent or corporate customers can participate in the best way to
obtain information. I can't see that as a benefit.
Another thing which seems absurd is that reading the story in the AP
section, it also goes on to state that the access charge will lower in the
future (start at $5 and go DOWN!)…if that is so, why even have it in the
first place and/or why not start at the lower rate…whatever that may be.
The whole thing just seems so typical of the government's desire to prove
they are necessary by doing something, even if it's wrong.
Another thing which seems absurd is that reading the story in the AP
section, it also goes on to state that the access charge will lower in the
future (start at $5 and go DOWN!)…if that is so, why even have it in the
first place and/or why not start at the lower rate…whatever that may be.
The whole thing just seems so typical of the government's desire to prove
they are necessary by doing something, even if it's wrong.
One of the worst effects I see in this proposal is that it will tend to
kill what may become a household necessity in the future. There are not
many families in North America who see radio, television, phones, and
electricity as luxuries or frills, and I think the day is coming when
computer hookups on a worldwide scale will fall into the same category.
There are a number of things I can only dream about now that should become
commonplace. Things like being able to dial one access number and have
gateways to all other services through my primary one, much as you can
connect worldwide through the local telephone system.
We, as telecommunicators, major networks, even local BBS's, are shaping the
future of the medium. To make the cost prohibitively high will mean that
only the affluent or corporate customers can participate in the best way to
obtain information. I can't see that as a benefit.
As far as I'm concerned taht access charge will kill my use of the nets. It
is really going to nip the telecommunications via computer industry (for
the average Joe who the government doesn't care about anyway) in the bud.
The only people who will still use the nets will be businesses. This is
just another example of a government which sees business as more important
than people. It's disgraceful.
As far as I'm concerned taht access charge will kill my use of the nets. It
is really going to nip the telecommunications via computer industry (for
the average Joe who the government doesn't care about anyway) in the bud.
The only people who will still use the nets will be businesses. This is
just another example of a government which sees business as more important
than people. It's disgraceful.
My response is:
1. By adding a $5/hr/user access fee to simply connect to a
network, the FCC is for all practical purposes, eliminating the vast
majority of private users from these services (such as CIS). $6/hr access,
suddenly becomes $11/hr access and $12/hr access suddenly becomes $17/hr
access…with the users paying the fees. Considering the baud rates and
hourly rates…it would just be way too much for most private users
(non-corporate users).
2. The FCC only imposes a $1/month access fee for residential
access to the long distance networks, and that fee will rise to about
$5/month…why should access to network services cost $5/hr when long
distance is only $5/month…a difference of 720 times the rate or a 72,000%
increase for essentially the same service (the ability to connect with a
distant location).
3. Deregulation and the break-up of AT&T was supposed to make
services more competitive, not eliminate them.
4. Corporate services such as VISA use nationwide networks for such
things as credit verification/stolen card checks. Since by it's very
nature, it must be a 24hr a day operation, imposing a $5/hr connect fee
would increase their costs per line by $3,600/month or $43,000/year and
that cost would be passed on to the consumer. I suspect they have at least
1,000 lines around the US, thus for that one service alone, would cost the
consumer 43 Million dollars a year.
5. The present system works! Why mess with it? It doesn't cost
the local BOC's 1 cent extra to provide hook up to a network once it's
installed. Charge for the installation…but once installed, leave it
alone!
6. Etc.
As Telecommunications Director for the Boston Computer Society, I've been
asked by the BCS to respond to inquiries from Sen. John Kerry's and Rep. Ed
Markey's offices on the dimensions and implications of the FCC's proposed
order. I would appreciate your collective feedback (for or against) to
help us develop a well-reasoned and reasonable response.
I'll be checking into this forum frequently, but you can Easyplex me if
you'd like.
Thanks, Dick tenEyck
There will be more info coming next week as to what we all can to do oppose
this proposed surcharge. If allowed to go into effect, it will affect not
only but all private networks (GEnie, TeleNet, TymNet, PC Pursuit, etc.).
Any former 60's activists here ready for a march on DC?
I thought the FCC considered and then decided against this surcharge
business a few months ago…. So what's up? Have they reconsidered, or is
this something new and different? I'm all for doing whatever we can to
stop this nonsense (marching boots standing by, Steve).
Bloody bureaucrats!!
About to become royally POed,
David K.
It's new and different. Essentially the same proposal (with some
differences, the earlier one would have affected single line BBSes) was
dropped a couple of months ago. Then the chairman of the FCC left (quit,
resigned, fired, I don't know). The new chairman decided to reopen the
issue, and has quite a bit of backing behind him. For more details, see
Friday's Wall Street Journal or drop by BPForum (GO BPForum) and check out
their FCC DL for the text of the article.
Thanks for the info. After reading your reply I went to BPForum, joined
it, and read FCC732.NOT and FILE.HLP, both in DL9. I think *everyone*
here ought to head over to BPForum and read these files. The FCC notice
makes it appear as if some sort of surcharge has been in the works all
along. Is this really the case, or is the new FCC chairman just trying to
cover his predecessor's tracks? In any case, the FCC seems totally
oblivious to the fact that any surcharges will, as a matter of course, be
passed on to us Average Joes and Janes.
"The potential financial impact on enhanced service providers [CIS,
GEnie, TeleNet, etc.] of eliminating their exemption [from surchages] is
substantially smaller than it was at the time the exemption was granted.
In particular, the FCC noted that the carrier common line charge has
decreased dramatically with the introduction of subscriber line charges."
Sounds pretty ominous to me. CIS is gonna be a mighty lonely place to
hang-out on if this goes thru. Not that I'd be around to see it….
This is a _GOOD_ thing we've got going here! We've gotta save it!
Yours truly,
David K.
Thanks for the info. After reading your reply I went to BPForum, joined
it, and read FCC732.NOT and FILE.HLP, both in DL9. I think *everyone*
here ought to head over to BPForum and read these files. The FCC notice
makes it appear as if some sort of surcharge has been in the works all
along. Is this really the case, or is the new FCC chairman just trying to
cover his predecessor's tracks? In any case, the FCC seems totally
oblivious to the fact that any surcharges will, as a matter of course, be
passed on to us Average Joes and Janes.
"The potential financial impact on enhanced service providers [CIS,
GEnie, TeleNet, etc.] of eliminating their exemption [from surchages] is
substantially smaller than it was at the time the exemption was granted.
In particular, the FCC noted that the carrier common line charge has
decreased dramatically with the introduction of subscriber line charges."
Sounds pretty ominous to me. CIS is gonna be a mighty lonely place to
hang-out on if this goes thru. Not that I'd be around to see it….
This is a _GOOD_ thing we've got going here! We've gotta save it!
Yours truly,
David K.
It's new and different. Essentially the same proposal (with some
differences, the earlier one would have affected single line BBSes) was
dropped a couple of months ago. Then the chairman of the FCC left (quit,
resigned, fired, I don't know). The new chairman decided to reopen the
issue, and has quite a bit of backing behind him. For more details, see
Friday's Wall Street Journal or drop by BPForum (GO BPForum) and check out
their FCC DL for the text of the article.
I thought the FCC considered and then decided against this surcharge
business a few months ago…. So what's up? Have they reconsidered, or is
this something new and different? I'm all for doing whatever we can to
stop this nonsense (marching boots standing by, Steve).
Bloody bureaucrats!!
About to become royally POed,
David K.