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#Color Printer?

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#123695From: Gracia M. LittauerDec 2, 1993 1:06 PM
Wolf, For the best (mostly graphic) color printing, if price DIDN'T count, which printer would YOU buy; Canon BJC600, BJC800, HP 1200? If price DID matter, which one? I've read your messages but I still can't figure out which one you think has best output (I know you lean to the HP1200) & which one is best you can do for the price. Or as you said in last message, should one wait for something better in the near future <G>. I still use my Canon PJ1080A! Fantastic output with ADPro considering it's 9 yrs old & was bought on sale for about $200. Gracia Taking off on AutoPilot from Cooleemee NC
#123779From: Carl HansenDec 3, 1993 7:46 AM
Gracia… Stepping in where not invited… I recently (this week) purchased a Fargo Electronics Primera thermal wax printer with Dye Sublimation option direct from the company for $750. I am extremely happy with the Thermal wax output but haven't received the dye-sublimation upgrade yet (promised this week as they are still programing it for the Amiga). The output has to be to their special paper or one of equal quality (hard shinny surface) for the best output. Also the color selection for the graphics is best (meaning fantastic) when primary and secondary colors are used. You wouldn't believe the output I get from some graphic images. I have, however, run into a problem using the printer on the Amiga since the Amiga hardware/software is, apparently, only capable of sending a max of 4096 colors through the parallel printer port or device. Now I have a 18 bit capable printer with which I hoped to print photographs and I'm not sure how it will work when I get the dye S. option up and running. :^( I also have an old Canon PJ1080 that I loved until it quit printing one day. ..Carl
#123808From: Wolf FaustDec 3, 1993 5:05 PM
Garcia, there is no general recommandation for a priner. Maybe magazines tell you this printer is the best buy… I think, most printers nowadays do a good job for a specific task. Comparing a BJC600 with a DJ1200 or BJC800 is nonsense, as these printers address a totaly different task/user/price. You can compare the DJ550 with a BJC600, but not a BJC600 with a DJ1200. Well, the Fargo Primera printer is surely fine if you want to print color graphics only and if you can afford the costs for the dye sub stuff. Thermal Wax with Fargo is surely not worth the money, so you should allways get the dye sub upgrade. Also, the Fargo is not good for the avarage work of most users (DTP, word processors…). PS: I got an order for 24 bit printing routines for the Fargo… should become available before x-mas here in Germany — Wolf Faust, Am Dorfgarten 10, 60435 Frankfurt, Germany —
#123823From: Gracia M. LittauerDec 3, 1993 8:45 PM
Wolf, Got your answer (sent to wrong person). Thanks. You actually did answer by giving me the relationships of the different printers. I know what the DJ550 does, so now when I look at the BJC600 I'll have a basis to compare. The Fargo is a special case; for graphics only I would guess, which is really what I'm looking for. I also read your reply to Gary about Post & DJ. I consider "graphics" to include all art (images etc) on a computer. What is GhostScript, the program you recomended & where can one get it? Gracia Taking off on AutoPilot from Cooleemee NC
#123895From: THOMAS N. WHEELERDec 4, 1993 12:26 PM
Gracia, Please see my answer and question to Wolf Faust on the Primera. I have used the Primera for a couple of months now and feel it is an outstanding color printer *for the price* in both the thermal wax and dye sublimation modes. If you have specific questions about the Primera, fire away. I'll even be happy to send you some output done in DPIV or AdPro. And, no, I don't work for Fargo –just a satisfied user that feels this color printer represents a price/performance breakthrough. Tom
#123920From: Gracia M. LittauerDec 4, 1993 4:46 PM
Thomas, Thanks for your input (I also checked your mess to Wolf). I hesitate to buy sight unseen (the wild's of NC don't have too many places to look at goodies) so a real world user's experience helps. It sounds like just the ticket for what I would like to use it (aside from just getting pretty graphic prints <G>). Gracia Taking off on AutoPilot from Cooleemee NC
#124004From: THOMAS N. WHEELERDec 5, 1993 5:16 PM
Gracia, I know all about the wilds of NC as I live in Raleigh. I have to confess, however, that I don't have the foggiest idea where Cooleemee, NC is. Tom
#124011From: Gracia M. LittauerDec 5, 1993 8:16 PM
Thomas! You live in NC. How wonderful. I've was in Raleigh 2 wks doing a movie 2 yrs ago & for the Guru meeting last year. I'll really pick your brains now <G>. You're lucky I can't drive too well <G>. Cooleemee is a VERY small ex-mill town 27 miles SW of Winston on Hwy 801. Come on down. We have a pond you can fish in. Gracia Taking off on AutoPilot from Cooleemee NC
#124122From: THOMAS N. WHEELERDec 6, 1993 9:57 PM
Gracia, Gosh…does this mean I now know a real live movie star??? When you plan to be in Raleigh again, let me know in advance and I'll E-mail you my phone number. Be glad to have you stop by and take a look at my Amiga editing suite, printers, etc. Tom PS Don't get to Winston-Salem very often, and when I do I'm usually passing through. However, if Cooleemee is ever on my itinerary, I'll be sure to let you know!
#124183From: Gracia M. LittauerDec 7, 1993 4:31 PM
Thomas, My partner in crime is the "star" (actor). I'm a backstage techie (used to be a dancer). Love to see your Amiga editing suite. I won't be fit to live with afterward…I want….. Gracia Taking off on AutoPilot from Cooleemee NC
#124209From: THOMAS N. WHEELERDec 7, 1993 8:04 PM
Gracia, You have a standing invitation. Just drop me a note before you come to Raleigh and I'll give you my phone number and directions. Tom
#124068From: Carl HansenDec 6, 1993 8:40 AM
Thomas… As one Primera owner to another I have a few questions for you since you appear to have had your printer longer than I – first when did you get your dye-sub upgrade? I have been told mine wasn't shipped because it is still being worked on. What software besides DPIV and AdPro have you tried? The rep mentioned only those two and Brilliance as working with the software. I have tried IMr/t with only ok results and the old DPIII with fantastic results for graphic (drawings) only. What I want is to be able to push the printer to it's max ie: print very large detailed images in the Thermal Wax mode then print 24 bit photographs in the Dye-Sub mode. Your suggestions will be greatly appreciated before I invest more money in new software or upgrades to software I already own. Thanks. ..Carl
#124123From: THOMAS N. WHEELERDec 6, 1993 9:58 PM
Carl, I have only had the Premiera about two months so my experience is not extensive. I am not doing dye sublimation printing on the Amiga because (as far as I know) the dye sublimation driver for the Amiga is not yet available, although the author of the driver (who is on CIS) says that it will be ready "real soon now". I understand Fargo has a BBS on CIS but I have not been able to locate what forum it is in. Let me know if you find Fargo on CIS. I have made about 15 dye sublimation prints using Windows 3.1 on a 486 DX2 PC to drive the Primera. The results, especially prints made from Kodak Photo CD's are absolutely spectacular. Only when you hold the prints up close and see the dot structure do you know they are not photographs. On the Amiga I have used the Primera with D Paint IV, Final Copy II, AdPro, and to print files (monochrome) from Dir Opus. I have printed several graphics with DPaint IV in the thermal wax mode and the results are very good indeed (in all cases I have used the 4-color ribbon for thermal wax printing). Incidentally, I do find that it really pays to use Fargo's premium grade of paper (hard finish and high gloss). When I use regular copy paper the results are mediocre –even for monochrome on text. I have some of Fargo's regular grade of paper but have yet to try it. I plan to keep urging Fargo to hurry up and release the driver for the dye sublimation mode for the Amiga. I'd appreciate it if you would do the same. Please let me kow if you find this driver has become available. Tom
#124174From: Carl HansenDec 7, 1993 1:59 PM
Tom… Thanks for the feedback. I received my dye sub. upgrade via ups and direct from Fargo yesterday!!! I only had time last night to make a couple of dye sub. prints last night. I used IM R/t and gif 640x480x256 images because they were the only ones I had access to at home. The results were surprisingly good. I have hundreds of photos on PhotoCD but no CDrom on my Amiga. :^( I also have access to and do considerable digitizing via a Nikon scanner and Mac, at work. I tried to save some files in Amiga IFF format and JPEG format on Mac disks and import them to the Amiga via IM R/t but with no luck – it wouldn't recognize the files as saved by PhotoShop. I have also had spectacular results with the therm wax printing and agree with you the only paper to use is the extra hard/glossy paper that Fargo provides. I tried regular photo copy paper and high quality ink jet paper with only fair results. Later this week I will obtain some 24 bit high res images – somehow and try printing them. The dye sub. printing, by the way, is much slower than the therm wax and takes a whole lot of hard disk space since it creates three raster images on your hard disk. Somewhere between 10 and 20 minutes to print on my A3000/25 (I didn't time it since I kept running out of hard disk space and had to keep throwing away files until I had enough space). Let me know if your dye sub. upgrade arrives and what you think of it compared with results from your dos machine. ..Carl
#124208From: THOMAS N. WHEELERDec 7, 1993 8:04 PM
Carl, What version of the Amiga driver for the Primera are you using? I am using V. 2.2 and it does not support dye sublimation printing! The driver gives settings for the dye sublimation mode, but the printer is inactive when I attempt to use that setting. It works perfectly on the Amiga 4000 for thermal wax transfer mode. Apparently you have been able to get your hands on an Amiga driver that supports dye sublimation printing. Can you tell me how and when you got it? On my 50 MHz 486 DX2 it only takes about five minutes to load and process a 512 X 768 PhotoCD image from the CDROM. Actual printing of the dye sublimation print is about 8-10 minutes. Tom
#124422From: Wolf FaustDec 9, 1993 12:10 AM
5 Minutes with a 50MHz 486 DX2 for a 512*768 PhotoCD… hmmm… I can get that faster on an A3000. So Olaf's assembler routines for PhotoWorX seems to pay off 😉 — Wolf Faust, Am Dorfgarten 10, 60435 Frankfurt, Germany —
#124523From: Carl HansenDec 9, 1993 5:22 PM
Tom… I recieved my dye sub upgrade direct from Fargo. Printing time on my A3000/25 is the same 8-10 minutes though I haven't timed it precisely. ..Carl
#124250From: Erik FlomDec 7, 1993 10:57 PM
Carl: I've got some nice Lightwave rendered images that I've done. I'd be willing to trade you a JPEG copy of the image, _and_ the same image printed out using a $10K RasterOps CorrectPrint 300 Dye Sublimation printer, for a Dye-Sub and Wax Transfer print of the same image. I've been following the reports about the Fargo printer, and I would very much like to get my hands on an actual sample of the printout. If interested, please drop me a line privatel6y, and I'll E-mail you a nice High Res JPEG. (Do you want a 1.5Kx1K or 3Kx2K pixel image?) Hope to hear from you, Erik Flom
#123894From: THOMAS N. WHEELERDec 4, 1993 12:25 PM
Wolf, I hope you won't mind my jumping into this thread on color printers. For aover a year I have used an HP 500C to print both color and B&W. Recently I purchased a Primera color printer for use on both my Amiga 2000 and Amiga 4000 as well as on a DOS machine running Windows 3.2. I notice in several postings that you have a rather low regard for the thermal wax output of the Primera. I am surprised by that. I have been using the Primera with the 4-color thermal wax ribbon and the premium grade of paper from Fargo to print a number of graphics with both the Amiga and Windows. The results, to my eyes, are excellent –much better than I would expect for the $790 street price of the Primera. I have had no problems printing from AdPro, DP IV, or Final Copy II on the Amiga and use Graphics Works (MicroGraphics) on the PC. Colors are rich, detail is good, and the dot pattern certainly looks less evident that I would have expected from the 203 dpi output of the Primera. I am very satisfied with the thermal wax output of the Primera and based on recent reviews of the Primera in Byte, Amiga World, and PC Magazine the reviewers agree. In my experience the Primera's thermal wax output of *graphics* is distinctly superior to that of the only other color printer with which I have extensive experience –the HP 500C. One problem with the Primera is that Fargo has been promising the Amiga driver for the dye sublimation mode for many weeks now. It still is not out. I have, however, done quite a bit of dye sublimation printing using Windows and Graphics Works with the Primera. The results are absolutely astonishing for photograhic images. The tonal range is great, colors are rich and vibrant, and again the dot pattern is hardly visible. The dye sublimation output of the Primera, in my opinion is excellent and when price is considered ($250 for the Photorealistic Upgrade) the results are astonishing. I don't work for Fargo, and I certainly don't receive a commission for selling their printers. I am curious to hear what you find specifically lacking with the Primera color printer? Tom
#124069From: Carl HansenDec 6, 1993 8:46 AM
Tom… Just a bit of information to follow-up on you message to Wolf. I work with the Kodak XL7720 dye-sub printers and their output is exactly the same 203 dpi, and that is a $20,000 best in the market printer. That is why I jumped at the Fargo offer for the printer with dye-sub option. Now I am waiting for the upgrade so that I can try it and compare. ..Carl
#124125From: THOMAS N. WHEELERDec 6, 1993 9:58 PM
Carl, If you will E-mail me your address, I'll send you a dye sublimation print that I made yesterday on the Primera using their driver for Windows. It is made from a Kodak PhotoCD, and I think it is excellent quality for the money. However, I certainly would not expect it to compare to a dye sublimation print made on Kodak's XL7720. Tom
#124130From: Wolf FaustDec 6, 1993 11:50 PM
Guys, don't get me wrong: The Fargo is an extremly good printer for that price as soon as you have the dye sub running with software that makes use of it (as said, NOT ADPro, TruePrint or PageStream – a special version of Studio for dye sub is in works). But for thermal wax transfer it's far to expensive, You can get a SJ144 for half the price and this one has 360dpi, so you can use it for every day usage. Anyway, both printer produce good colors with thermal wax, but lack of good output when it comes to high resolution with process colors (spot colors work great!). And if you look at what the BJC600 can do with HP's glossy paper, you'll find that the Canon BJC is better in some aspects… and the Fargo is better in some aspects… . The dye sub with the Fargo is really great, but do not compare it with a $20000 as the Fargo can't produce the same amount of colors (and the Amiga printer.device doesn't make use of it yet anyway – so on the Amiga with it currently limited printer.device you need special software to make real use better printers…). Though, I think this will change during the next year. (if not Commo, I do). — Wolf Faust, Am Dorfgarten 10, 60435 Frankfurt, Germany —
#124207From: THOMAS N. WHEELERDec 7, 1993 8:03 PM
Wolf, The folks at Fargo say they have an Amiga driver that will be completed soon that will allow dye sublimation printing on the Amiga. Are you stating that this driver will not work with AdPro or any other program that uses the Printer Preferences? I have no doubt that the Canon BJC600 produces very nice color output. However, I really don't like the state that ink jet printers (or at least my HP 500C) leavee the paper in –wrinkled. I also don't like the tendency of ink jet prints to smear if you are not very careful to let them dry. For me, however, the decisive feature of the Primera is the ability to do dye sublimation prints on the Primera. This last weekend I printed several PhotoCD's using Windows and PhotoMagic (a part of the Graphics Works program by Micrografx) using dye sublimation on the Primera. I thought the results were very very good –not quite the equal of a good photograph but very close to it. And I spent several years making 16 X 20 in. color prints from transparencies taking on a Hasselblad using Cibachrome and Kodak materials. However, I have no experience with expensive dyde sublimation printers, but, intuitively, I would never expect the Premiera's dye sublimation printing quality to equal that of printers costing $10-20K. Thanks for expanding on and clarifying your comments on the Primera. Tom
#124421From: Wolf FaustDec 9, 1993 12:10 AM
Tom, Please read my message again. If you like your Fargo, fine… I don't care nor did I say the BJC600 is better. I said that some things are better and some things are worse. Beside: have you seen a BJC600 output an the HP glossy paper? Not normal or Canon LC101 paper – I mean the glossy paper. PS: Oohh boy… I never say something about printers, before those stupid "my is better" wars begin. I don't own a color printer anyway 😉 — Wolf Faust, Am Dorfgarten 10, 60435 Frankfurt, Germany —
#124539From: THOMAS N. WHEELERDec 9, 1993 6:58 PM
Wolf, I'm glad we were able to have this friendly discussion. Thanks for your comments. Tom
#123822From: Gracia M. LittauerDec 3, 1993 8:45 PM
Carl, Anyone with a Canon 1080 is invited! I still have some Laseredge paper for it which does fab prints. I remember him selling it from store to store in NYC, 50 pages for $30. I bought a sample pack of his paper recently, but no more Canon paper. Very good paper for masters for coping or printing. I say a little prayer every time I turn on Canon. It died early on but company fixed it. Please post a message with your experience with Fargo dye-sublimation. This sounds like the 1080 of the 90s <G>. Quite a few people here have one already. Gracia Taking off on AutoPilot from Cooleemee NC
#124061From: Carl HansenDec 6, 1993 8:00 AM
Gracia… Where are you buying your PJ1080 ink carts. It may just be that mine is out of ink though I doubt that very much since all three colors stopped printing at once. I will upload a file with my views on the Primera's dye-sub printing after I have received the upgrade kit. I am a professional photographer and work with PhotoCD and Kodak's XL7720 printer quite a bit so my view will be pretty critical. I know I can't expect the same fabulous results from a $1,000 printer as a $20,000 printer but I sure would hope I have the skill to coax the maximum out of it. As I said earlier I have been pretty happy with the thermal wax printouts but not the Amiga software I presently own. Now I need to evaluate the other software out there for it's printing ability. Good luck in your choice of printers. ..Carl
#124105From: Gracia M. LittauerDec 6, 1993 7:02 PM
Carl, Good thing I keep all my bills <g>…Canon PJ1080 ink & paper Accessorall 1330-9 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, NY 11741 NY 1-800-828-0880 Outside NY 1-800-828-9888 Not a discount place, but very nice people & they have the goods; or did!!! color $20 bk $13 paper 4 rolls for $30 This was last year, may have gone up. I am looking forward to your evaluation. I understand Wolf Faust is doing new drivers. I'm not a real artist, but I love working on the machine & creating stuff. Gracia Taking off on AutoPilot from Cooleemee NC
#124108From: Carl HansenDec 6, 1993 7:16 PM
Gracia… Thanks for passing on the info. I had to write it down by hand because my Primera is busy right now printing out its first dye sub print. Yup I got upgrade today. The output takes so long that I decided to do some telecommunicating while it prints. I also seem to be getting some line noise. Am I having fun yet? I'll let you know. ..Carl
#124287From: Kelly JordanDec 8, 1993 5:56 AM
Carl, you should also be able to buy ink for the PJ1080 from Radio Shack. Black ink – 26-1281 Color ink – 26-1282 RadShack's old CGP-220 is the same mechanism as the PJ1080, and the IBM Color Jetprinter I still use every now and then. Maybe '94 will see a new color printer for me! 73, Kelly
#124362From: Gracia M. LittauerDec 8, 1993 6:18 PM
Hi Kelly, Just a buttinski to say thanks. I didn't know about the RadShack ink. Which color printer are you thinking of getting? Too many choices now <G> and they are really for different uses. The Fargo is certainly seductive. Gracia Taking off on AutoPilot from Cooleemee NC
#124618From: Kelly JordanDec 10, 1993 6:15 AM
Gracia, you can 'buttinksi' any time.. RadShack also has the boxes with three rolls of paper, but can't find one around the shack to get the number from. I can also give you the IBM part numbers for the inks and papers <grin>. Lots of choices is right! But I want a printer capable of doing B sized paper (11×17), so this reduces the choices tremendously. One choice is HP's XL-300 (with PS), or might have to have a look at the repackaged Canon BJ-800 (another name on the printer, but with PS). Not having any stores to go to makes it a bit difficult to get a good idea how the printers perform (color quality, print speed, etc). 300 dpi is a minimum, and have black as a seperate ink cartridge, though having all four colors in their own cartridge is most desirable. Don't want to change a three color ink cartridge when I run out of one of the three colors. To top it all off, I can't find a copy of the Dec issue of PC World on the newstand around here to see all the printer review they have in it. Heck, can't even find a Computer Shopper any more! About the only computer magazine I see on the shelves around here is AmigaWorld. 73, Kelly
#124646From: Gracia M. LittauerDec 10, 1993 3:10 PM
Kelly, I'll send you copy of the AW review. I was just rereading it. What do you mean "repackaged Canon BJC 800"? It sounds like a good choice. I don't really need large format paper so could go with 600 (4 separate ink wells). I got their info via 800 #, no mention of PS. Wolf recomended GhostScript, a PS interperter under GNU licence (what ever that is <G>). It's on the INTERNET, big file, haven't seen it on here. Anyone? Oops, dumbie moi lost your snail mail address. Email it to me if you'd like the copy of article. Gracia Taking off on AutoPilot from Cooleemee NC
#124752From: Kelly JordanDec 11, 1993 2:46 PM
Hi Gracia, "repackaged Canon BJC 800" means some other manufacturer licences the hardware, but adds on to the basic printer. Wolf sent me a message with a couple of names of NA companies that repackaged the 800, with one of them putting PS capabilities into the printer. Canon did the same thing with the PJ-1080. There were three other versions of this printer available (that I know of). The TrashShack CGP-220 (the worst implementation, by far), the QuadRam QuadJet, and the best of them all, the IBM Color Jetprinter. Same hardware, just different software. What issue of AW was the review in? And what was the review about?? <grin> Was it the Primera? AW is the one magazine that IS available on the newstand, but I rarely pick it up. I picked up the Dec issue last week, but haven't read it yet. Will have to pick up the Jan issue when available, just to see what they had to say about ImageMaster R/T (have to upgrade one of these days). If you still have the readme file for my driver, you have my HardMail (c) address. 73, Kelly
#124789From: Gracia M. LittauerDec 11, 1993 9:50 PM
Yo Kelly, Found your address, on the disk that didn't get trashed (took all my DLs off HD & put on disks, two have check sum errors). I'll look in library Sun. for PC World. I thing is was their review I just read. If so I'll send it on. Aw's review was in Sept., I'll send it also. They loved the Canon 800. Thoght it had the best color. Gracia Taking off on AutoPilot from Cooleemee NC
#124852From: Kelly JordanDec 12, 1993 10:08 AM
Gracia, I _may_ have a copy of the Dec issue of PC World coming. I asked my parents to try to pick up an issue on their shopping trip to the Soo (along with arecent issue of Computer Shopper). Should know tonight if they found it. Be looking forward to the copy of the review in Sept AW. Can't find that issue around here in the piles. Mucho gracias.. 73, Kelly
#124945From: Kelly JordanDec 13, 1993 6:20 AM
Gracia, I now have the Dec issues of: PC Computing PC World PC Magazine (21 Dec 93 issue) Computer Shopper Now what was I looking for? <grin> Can't these clone heads think up more original names? There are a couple of short blurps on the BJC-600 and the DJ-1200. Noticed another contender for my shopping list – IBM Color JetPrinter 4079. It does B sized paper and has postscript. I think I saw one of these at work in the building that houses our MIS department. Will have to try to get up there after christmas and have a look. Maybe if I ask real nice, I can get a sample print of something. The BJC-800, as it comes from Canon, is not a contender. It would require bitmap printing, using either the printer device, or using PS emulator software. Along with PS, the printer should also be HP PCL5C (color PCL5) compliant. This would make it much easier to emulate an HP plotter. Hey, a guy can dream, can't he? 73, Kelly
#123911From: Ron LegroDec 4, 1993 2:27 PM
Doesn't TruePrint (the print module from Art Dept. Pro) handle 24-bit output? I thought so. — Ron Legro from Milwaukee via AUTOPILOT (The only way to fly)
#124062From: Carl HansenDec 6, 1993 8:02 AM
Ron… I don't know since I don't have ADPro. I do have the old Art Dept. and it doesn't. I am going to have to look into upgrading to ADPro or purchasing other software. However, according to everything I have been able to find out so far it is the Amiga's hardware/OS that limits printer output under ECS to 4096 colors. ..Carl
#124131From: Wolf FaustDec 6, 1993 11:50 PM
ADPro, TruePrint and Studio can output 24 Bit color precision on normal WB drivers. This doesn't mean they print 24 bit color for each print dot. All three programs dither and send 3 bitplanes to the printer device. This way they are able to print 24 bit color files without dealing with the 4096 color limitation of the printer.device. This method doesn't work well with dye sub printers. These printers can print a huge amount of colors for each printer dot – not just 8 like used by ADPro, TruePrint, PageStream and Studio. Printing from DPaint and Brilliance means the driver gets 4096 colors from the printer.device and is able to make use of them on dye sub printers. Now most drivers require additional color correction resulting in another loss of colors (for instance, the Commo HP driver ~2400 colors) while better drivers can print full 4096 colors after color correction (drivers from Panasonic, Canon, HP, Star, Seikosha, Studio, TurboPrint). — Wolf Faust, Am Dorfgarten 10, 60435 Frankfurt, Germany —
#124176From: Carl HansenDec 7, 1993 2:14 PM
Wolf… Thanks for the information. So DPaint and Brilliance can now send 4096 colors to the parallel port printer device, correct? What do they do differently than the other programs since I assume they use the preferences printer driver? Is there hope for more colors through the Amiga's printer port – like 18 bit or 24 bit? Not being a computer programer – just a photographer – this is all confusing to me. Thanks again for your info and if you find out about anybody getting around the 4096 color limit please let me know. ..Carl
#124420From: Wolf FaustDec 9, 1993 12:10 AM
Well, 24 bit support for the printer.device (all my WB drivers do work with 24/32 Bit allready internaly) will surely come in the future (I assume fall next year). So far, you can print 24 bit on non-dye sub printers using some special applications (those I know are Studio, ADPro, TruePrint and PageStream). But they way these programs work does result in poor quality in dye-sub printers. Don't get me wrong, the output might still look good, but you simply don't make use of the dye-sub possibilities (lot's of colors per printer dot). For the Fargo, the current printer.device restriction is not a real problem as the printer can only print 4096 colors per dot, wich is exactly what printer.device supports. So what we need is a program that takes IFF pictures, does the color correction for the Fargo (wich is sort of a color balance function) and reduces the final output to 4096 colors using dithering. That's exactly what I'm working on and should be released this month (after receiving the tech info, I should get the printer tomorrow…). — Wolf Faust, Am Dorfgarten 10, 60435 Frankfurt, Germany —
#124529From: Carl HansenDec 9, 1993 5:38 PM
Wolf… Very interesting. So not only the Amiga printer.device is limited to 4096 colors but the Fargo Primera printer itself is limited to that number of colors…is that correct? I have made a few dye sub prints using ImageMaster R/t with very good results. Are you familiar with that program and if so how many colors are going to the printer from it? I look forward to the release of your driver. Will you upload it here as shareware or will I need to order it from you there in Europe? ..Carl
#124452From: Kelly JordanDec 9, 1993 5:54 AM
Carl, The printer.device can take any image up to 12 bit planes. 12 bit planes is broken down to 4 bit for each of the primaries (red, green, blue), or 16 shades of each primary color. This gives you 4096 colors. The printer.device has had this capability since WB 1.3 was released. Haven't heard of their being any work done to printer.device so it can understand 24 bitplane images (8 bit/256 shades of each primary color). 73, Kelly
#124530From: Carl HansenDec 9, 1993 5:40 PM
Kelly… Thanks for the explaination. Very clear explaination. I sure hope they are working on supporting 24 bit printing. This seems to me to be a real weakness in the system. ..Carl