AMI IN FEDERAL OFFICES
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Commodore advertises the Amiga in situations other than game markets. But
obviously you don't read the LA Times, Wall Street Journal, Dallas Times (or
whatever the suffix is), Miami Herald, and magazines such as Computer Classroom
learning, HOW Journal, Computer Systems News, Computer Reseller News, etc.
Sorry for any names I might have botched, but you get the idea. To retain your
credibility, I suggest saying, "To my knowledge, Commodore has not advertised
the Amiga in any form other than a game machine."
As I mentioned before you won't find us in MacWorld, STart, or PC Week.
Also, like I'll mention to Don or whoever is in the Rockwell group, he can get
in touch with me and I'll put him in touch with the right people. The "C" in
commodore doesn't stand for communications, and sending a request to the far
blue may not always get a response. Hope this helps. andre
Hey Andre,
How's about advertising in Dr Dobbs? I've yet to notice you guys in
there. Also how's about Electronic News? They have pretty extensive coverage
of computer developments. I see stuff in their weekly usually well before
anyone else.
mr bill
Commodore might do better outside of Dr Dobbs. DDJ from what I've seen
doesn't seem to think the Amiga exists. It makes me SO SICK!!!!! when I see
reviews of multitasking OS's not mentioning AmigaDOS!! I can't take it, nor
will I renew my subscription.
— Ethan
DDJ has been asking for good Amiga articles. Seems they don't get any. – Kev
How about a lot of the techies here writing some stuff for the infamous
DDJ. Ben, Larry, …, how about an introductory article to the Amiga OS, Rom
Kernal, WB programming with Intuition? Besides, DDJ can probably afford to pay
more than the Amiga Transactor!
— Ethan
Over a year ago DDJ had a nice article comparing Mac/Amiga interface
programming. Some of the people here might drop by DDJFORUM and ask them what
kind of articles they're interested in. Luck to all!
I don't know if DDJ can *afford* to pay more than TransAmi but they may not do
so… I was surprised to discover that Computer Languages magazine pays their
authors less than we do.
Tim.
Where have they been asking? Perhaps we have been a bit too insular for the
Amiga's own good?
–Gabe
P.S. Mebbe THEY'RE the ones who are too insular…
Gabe,
Every once in a while someone on DDJFORUM asks about Amiga articles, and they
are always told the same thing… send us some! They do have some criteria on
the type of articles, so potential writers should contact the DDJ editors for
more info.
Like most people, I'm sure they don't have the time to go out casting nets
themselves. Amigans need to seek outlets like DDJ and submit what they can. So
yes, I think that yelling at magazines in Amiga forums does no good at all. "if
a tree falls and no one hears it…"
Kev
Two mags I'd recommend putting some ads in, Andre, are BYTE and Publish!
(i think that's the name). Byte because they've shown more interest in the
Amiga than any other professionally oriented computer mag yet. Publish!
because, from what I understand, DTP is a field commodore would like to be in!
— Ethan
The last two issues of Publish! have had Commodore ads featuring color DTP.
Peter.
I skimmed through the latest publish and didn't see it. Can you maybe
give me a page number, I'd really like to see it!
— Ethan
I just looked at a copy at a news stand I'm afraid. It was listed in an ad
index in the back. It's on the bottom half of two pages; the left half is b&w
and takes potshots at the mac. The right half is color. It points out that the
ad was done on an Amiga.
Peter.
Byte? Are you advertising pc or mac products? I hope not Ami products.
Ron
Ron, despite most people (here) opposing the professional world, that's
where most of the big bucks are. Where else do large corporations waste
billions of dollars every year. There is only one market where you could have 1
company and twenty clone manufacturers all succeeding simultaneously. I think
that acceptance of the Amiga in these markets is important. Besides, an ad will
at least familiarize the suits with the name Amiga and might make them look
twice if they see it mentioned in the future.
— Ethan
I just think that putting an Ami add in Byte not only supports a mag that hates
the Ami is not too swift. There are plenty of other trade mags that would do.
Ron
Ron,
If you want to make the MS-DOS users aware of the Amiga…and thus
hopefully convert them…until word "Amiga" is as recognized as "IBM PC" then
you've got to advertise in magazines that MS-DOS and Mac users read.
You can advertise till you're blue in the face in Amiga specific
magazines…but Joe Corporate Buyer doesn't read them…so would never hear
about the Amiga.
Don
Don, I agree with what you're saying, but I still don't support advertising in
mags that trash the Amiga, like byte. Why don't they go for mags like
Information Week, as one example?
Ron
Because the circulation of Information Week is not as high as Byte. Who cares
if they trash the computer. Advertising in it would be a chance to change
their views as well as the views of their entire readership. We can make them
eat their words by showing them what the amiga is capable of.
Michael St. Laurent
By buying attention from byte? By paying for ads in a mag that puts down Amiga
it makes CBM look stupid. That doesn't sell computers. CBM could even
advertise in DEC specific mags, talking about the upcoming DECNET and xwindows
products for the Amiga (from I forget who). That would get lots of attention.
Ron
Think about this…
Why should they spend all the dollars in BYTE, and other computer magazines
trying to convert the owners of other computers (Who all think they own the
best, right guys and gals) when they could spend the same $$ trying to persuade
the people with $$ who want to buy a new computer to go out and purchase an
Amia.
In fact, their best thing would be to get 10 million form letters and mail them
to the 8 million Commodore 64 owners and the 2 million VIC 20 owners and give
them an offer they can't refuse.
They would probably sell more computers to their own "converted" flock then
they would to all the Mac and IBM converts they could every "buy".
Sincerely, Brian R. Niessen, DesignTech Business Systems Inc.
Bri,
And that would probably be the worst thing that could happen to the
Amgia.
I have nothing against games, but I do NOT want to see the Amiga become
just a game machine. By mailing to owners of computers that are used mainly
for games…you'd get alot of sales of A500's as game machines.
At this stage of the the Amiga's history…that would not be a good
thing.
We need more A2000 sales in relation to A500 sales, not the other way
around.
If you were going to mail out 10 million letters, better to mail them
to Byte, Info World, DDJ, Computer Language, AI, Unix World and the like
subscribers.
Don
I couldn't disagree with you more Ron. It will not make them look stupid if
they answer charges that the amiga is a game machine with ads showing that it
is capable of doing sophisticated work. I say again, it would make them eat
their words.
Michael St. Laurent
It depends a lot on where they put these ads, and on the rest of their
marketing campaign. Byte, among others, knows by now that the Ami is a good
computer, but CBM will never have the type of ad money that IBM and Apple have
– IMHO, Byte belongs to whoever pays the most.
Ron
Ron,
I don't think BYTE "trashes" the Amiga. They just cover mostly Mac/PC stuff.
When the Amiga first came out, they gave it front cover, for example.
And this month's Microbytes talks about the new Agnus. With a final paragraph
that ends with "… the Amiga has established itself in the world of
professional video and animation, where it competes with systems costing 10
times as much."
Kev
That's the nicest thing (and one of the few nice things) they've said about
Amiga since they mostly stopped covering it.
Ron
Can you give us a for instance of something they have said denigrating the
amiga?
Michael St. Laurent
Read the caption on the 'Amiga screen shot' in the April issue's graphic
supplement. Take a close look at the screen shot. Malicious, in spite of all
their denials of malice aforethought.
-larry
I'll leave that to others – when they dropped 99% of their Ami coverage, I
dropped my subscription, and haven't bought it since. My favorite though, is
when CBM delivered a fully equipped box to them, tought the guy how to use it,
and he still didn't understand it – all this as reported extensively here in
the forums.
Ron
Come now, you don't think that Byte trashes the Amiga??
Where have you been — Pournelle has trashed the Amiga every chance he gets.
It seems that since he can't figure out how to use such a technologically
advanced machine, he has to recommend that no body use it.
He has been jumped on so many times that Amiga owners have just given up for
the most part….. Hell, the whole Amiga world will send up a huge cheer
when we hear that he has dissapeared from the face of the earth……
Actually Poetic justice would be for him to be re-incarnated as an Amiga!
As for Commodore spending money advertising in Byte, I agree with the other
comments, if you want C/A to do something that stupid, why not just have
them advertise in PC Magazine, or PC World, or something like that!
I think magazines like DDJ and Unix World, and things like that would be
much better.
Barry
Barry,
Pournelle is not Byte…he's merely a commentator who's column appears
in the magazine. He can trash anything he wants…he's just one guy, although
admittedly with a big audience.
But you obviously missed it when he gave the Amiga the "Most improved
Computer of 1988' award.
Byte doesn't trash the Amiga…but it also rarely mentions it anymore
either.
Don
Barry,
Pournelle trashes everybody, not just the Amiga <grin>. He thinks he's a
hacker, but he's not. But I don't consider what he says, the same as "Byte
trashing the Amiga".
Consider: if Byte had not done their cover story and reviews, and yes even the
early BIX coverage, how many non-Commodore magazine readers would even have
heard of the Amiga, let alone consider buying one?
I, for one, without the technical info and early boosting of the Amiga by Byte,
would have just assumed it was another Commodore game machine sold as a home
computer…. and I think that goes for virtually every non-C64 person.
If Commodore had kept up ads to go along with the early excitement generated by
the Byte articles, things might be very different now. As it is though, I agree
that advertising the Amiga in video markets is a good idea. And that ads in DDJ
might appeal to technical types, and the Amiga NUXI machine could be shown in
Unix World.
Actually, I almost bet that the Computer Shopper influences more people these
days. But I still get calls from friends who see ads in Byte. – Kev
PS: whoever said that they should mass-mail to C64/Vic20 owners has a good
idea, if it hasn't already been tried.
If you want to sell computers to the business world YOU MUST ADVERTISE IN
BYTE, or other magazines of its kind. Of all of its kind, BYTE has been the
most positive towards the Amiga. Name any overall negative comments towards the
Amiga. True, Pournelle has a hard time saying positive things about the Amiga
without adding something negative, but in his own article, written ENTIRELY by
him, he named the Amiga most improved computer of 1988.
— Ethan
Great,
I remember the awards in school for the most improved students too (Not trying
to be a jerk by using this example and sorry to those who are offended), but it
used to burn me – I'd work my *ss off to keep high grades, and they get awards
for going from an F to a C.
Sheesh
Sincerely, Brian R. Niessen, DesignTech Business Systems Inc.
If we don't advertise in BYTE, the ONLY corporate magazine I know of that
even mentions the Amiga (and often in a good light), than we had might as well
forget about ever reaching corporate America. Name one magazine in the BYTE, PC
WORLD, PC COMPUTING genre that mentions the Amiga often and positively!
— Ethan
I always felt that advertising in Amiga specific mags was a total waste of
money. You're preaching to the converted. You've got to hit the people who
know nothing about the Amiga and wake them up.
-sja
That's why we recommend hitting vertical marketing magazines like Videographer,
Computer Reseller News, Computer Learning, the Village Voice, and so forth.
Advertising in these magazines is astronomically less expensive, reaches a
specific market, and gets more feedback that pays off instead of people who are
just in for the curiosity. Better use of your time and money, and not everyone
is advertising there.
How many of you buy Byte to read the ads. Be serious. andre
Andre,
I don't buy Byte to read the ads, but as I read the magazine, I see the
ads.
Just like I don't watch TV to see the commercials (well…not usually
anyway <grin>), but while watching TV, see the commercials.
Don
The Village Voice?????
— Ethan
BYTE is just like any other magazine (except us, of course!)… they will
provide continued coverage on only those products that are advertised in their
publication. Simple reality of the magazine business.
I think CBM should advertise in BYTE — not because it is an authority in the
field but because a lot of potential customers read it… the only reason to
advertise in the first place.
Tim.
You know, there's a newspaper in NYC that's owned by someone who considers its
readership (low, middle class and downward) to be beneath contempt. They're
dumb enough to buy it anyway, but I avoid it like the plague.
Ron
Ron,
There's national "newspapers" that do the same thing…every heard of
the 'National Enquirer', 'Star', et al.
You've got to think your readers are dumber than a rock to publish that
junk…of course, every day..the readers prove the publishers right in their
assessment of the readers.
Don
I don't make a habit of buying publications that insult my intelligence. Maybe
that sets me apart, but I suspect that someone buying a computer would wonder
why a mag that carries an ad for it almost never mentions it otherwise, even
when an article cries out for it.
Ron
Ron,
I see lots of ads in magazines for products that are never mentioned in
the magazine itself. Now sure, most of these items are add-ons or software or
other compatible products…but the product itself is never mentioned other
than in an ad.
Now, I'm not sure that advertising in a PC specific magazine such as
PCWeek would be the greatest idea in the world…unless you at least mentioned
the XT and AT bridges along with the specific Amiga stuff.
The point of an ad is to make the customer aware of your product and
hopefully create a desire for that product. Ads should be placed so that you
maximize exposure to your intended audience. It wouldn't make much sense for
DEC to advertise the VAX in a C=64 specific magazine. That's not the right
audience…either is Byte.
Don
The newspaper I was mentioning, or specifically the publisher, is also a
developer who specializes in tearing down the housing that the readership live
in and putting up incredibly oversized (he wants to put up an 81 story, 875
foot tower in a low rise residential block that now houses very low cost
housing) luxury developments that his readership can't live in. IMHO.
Ron
Ron,
That doesn't surprise me…all you're saying is that they guy wants to
make money….that's not unusual.
That particular idea (putting up luxury buildings where low income
housing used to be) doesn't mean he has contempt for those folks…or at least
that's not what it means to me.
Don
The houses were built several decades ago as model 'tenements' for low and
middle income people. They are in excellent condition, have mostly poor and
elderly residents. The block is very low rise, congestion is very high, water
pressure somewhat low, sewers overloaded, electrical systems strained. This
tower would create permanent shadows and wind problems, and greatly exacerbate
the other problems. There is also a serious shortage of low and middle income
housing, and a major glut of luxury housing. The developer's representatives
have anounced that in accordance with minimum city requirements, they will
place the garbage for the building on the sidewalk the normal 2 to 3 times per
week – this has never before been done for so large a building.
I assume you get my point.
Ron
Ron, The New York Post, which I assume you're talking about, is real
trash. And you're right, its one step above the enquirer.
— Ethan
While I won't admit that you're right as to the id of the paper in question,
you are right in you're description. Its publisher, though, (while once named
by a charitable organization as humanitarian of the year), is, IMHO, a piece of
dirt.
Ron
You mean the slumlord?
— Ethan
If you think that BYTE hates the Amiga, then the there is no word in the
english vocabulary to describe how much the others hate the Amiga. I can't
think of any other of the big IBM/Mac magazines even mentioning the Amiga once.
Not only is the Amiga most improved computer of the year, we were VERY WELL
featured in a Byte segment on graphics, being called two steps beyond the IBM
and a step beyond the Mac. That's the best we got. It's not regular commentary,
but its uniformly good. If not in BYTE, then not in any generalized comp
magazine.
— Ethan
You're forgetting that these days Byte is an IBM/Mac magazine, not a general
computer magazine anymore. I don't consider it able to be objective about
anything at this point.
Ron
I agree that it isn't truly objective, but I'm just saying that of the
professionally oriented computer magazines, you can't name one that's talked
more about the Amiga.
— Ethan
MacWorld mentioned the Amiga once. I know. I wrote a letter about a "news
flash" (or some such thing) that said Aegis products for the Mac II did a bunch
of video stuff (Tom Petty, Timbuck 3, and others), and corrected their mistake.
I was surprised when they printed the letter, and admitted that the Amiga was
the mastermind behind those! 🙂
Steve
Ethan, I have seen the ads in Publish! Commodore needs more than that. They
need favorable reviews of powerful software for the Amiga. When PageStream is
bug free, that should get reviews, ProPage should get a review.
Another magazine to be considered is Home Office Computing. They regularly
cover users of various computers and how they use 'em. A story about a small
home based business that used the Amiga to get there would do wonders for
image.
–Gabe
But gabe, what's the circulation of Home Office Computing?
— Ethan
Jeez, I dunno the circulation numbers; It is just a magazine that talks to a
segment of the population who might be more conducive to trying
non-conventional solutions than are F-500 companies, who tend to become firmly
entrenched in a product until it proves to be stuck in the mud. Not a likely
happening for DOS in the immediate future, although OS2 is making some
significant inroads.
The windows of opportunity for Amiga are closing rapidly.
–Gabe
Ethan,
Publish! I agree with. BYTE is a lost cause.
–Gabe
Andre,
The publicity for the computer is a multi-faceted thing as I have repeatedly
said to Gail Wellington, Max Toy (while he was COO) and anybody else at
Commodore who will listen.
CBM says they have no interest in directly attacking the business market (If
this attitude has changed, it is not apparent) because it will be a losing
battle. Get in the back door, they say. Okay, the Amiga has made some inroads
along that road, but it *still* is not being taken seriously. In order for this
to happen, certain things need to be done. And before I get into what those
things are, let me reiterate WHY I think that this is important. Commodore has
stated publicly and has demonstrated through some of its efforts that it is and
has been trying to redefine its image. From a home-computer/game computer
manufacturer, to a "serious" maker of multiple computer systems. Somehow, in
Europe, they succeeded, because they never tarnished their image with the old
Toys-R-Us debacle. Here in the US, they *did* have that problem, and their
image is lousy as a result. To build an image as a general purpose computer
with specific capabilities in presentations is a much better (IMHO) strategy
than as a purely graphic / sound oriented computer that can, hey lookit this,
do some "normal" data processing tasks.
To make this sort of change, Commodore needs to move more publicly and, I might
add, splashily in their advertising of the Amiga, and in the R&D needed to keep
it a unique machine. The last year has seen announcements and releases from
both IBM and Apple that have increased the screen resolutions of their top of
the line machines, and although they cost considerably more, why would a
company that has previously used a DOS standard move to the Amiga if their
existing standards can provide what they want?
Gabe, two things, none of which are very significant (as usual for me).
The Toys-R-Us debacle, while relatively well known among Amiga users, was
probably unheard of to people not familiar with the machine. The success in
Europe has to do with the fact that before the Amiga even came out, Commodore
had a HUGE base in Europe. Software sales stink because of the huge piracy
rate, but the hardware did very well over there.
Also, I don't think that there are many cards in the mac and ibm world
that give better resolution than the 1024×1024 coming out for the Amiga RSN.
— Ethan
Ethan,
Commodore had such a reputation as a game machine that the original
Amiga machines were going to have nothing on them that used the word
"Commodore" in the hope that the Amiga wouldn't be associated with Commodore
game machines.
When it finaly hit the market, the A1000 had one very small sticker on
the bottom with the FCC certification label that mentioned that the Amiga was
made by Commodore.
Don
It was a good idea to not use the word Commodore on the Amiga! If this
were the C-256, arghhh!
— Ethan
It's not the resolution by itself that does it, and it's not just the T-R-Us
debacle by itself. The Amiga represents a freak, a departure from the
ordinary, which to those of us in this forum represents the best that personal
computing has to offer. To others, it is only a side-show, presented by a
toy-computer manufacturer, which repeatedly demonstrates its inability to
relate to what business wants. A company that does not know even how to market
itself.
I know that these are unfair-sounding remarks, perhaps to some small degree
unjustified, even. Tough. I am getting tired of banging my head against the
wall. You can only tell a company for so long that what they are doing is
wrong, misdirected, or won't sell, but until they get out in the marketplace,
they have no way of knowing whether they are right or not. To me, these days,
it seems that Commodore is operating myopically, not concentrating in those
areas where they have the greatest _opporunities_, working instead (and slowly,
I might add) on solutions that are non-solutions for the marketplace.
As others have pointed out, CBM should be concentrating on the basic machine
design, improving it with punch to handle a 68040, virtual memory, and expanded
display specifications. They have proven capable of good system design, but
seem to fail horribly when it comes to peripheral design. Witness the C64,
which, when released, was clearly the best computer OF ITS KIND. And then the
1541 drive, which being so slow, condemned the computer to be used by users
with low- or non-existent *computing* requirements.
Witness the current happenings with the 2090, then the 2090a and now the
autoboot fix for that controller. Witness the feelings expressed about the
upcoming PVA (heck, look at your own responses along those lines!).
Technologically, they should stick to systems design, and license the best of
the third parties.
–Gabe
Gabe, a comment about back door in the bank I work in – my boss suggested today
that I bring in my 2000 some day to show it off. If I can bring it in with
DECNET and xwindows working he may suddenly find a workstation much more cost
effective then the Mvax3100's he's planning to get. It would be nice if I
could ask CBM for some help here in making the point, but I know better.
Ron
Ask anyway! What the heck. The worst that could happen is that they say no.
Ask Andre.
Michael St. Laurent
They could say no after putting you thru the wringer. Still, when I catch
Andre on (even if he is in the wrong region), I will ask him.
Ron
I'm on. For the record, if it has to do with asking me some information that
no one else here will be interested in, I *IMPLORE* you to send it via eplex to
my box! The chances are too great that it will get lost inthe shuffle should I
not get messages in the 14 day scroll-limit of Whap or should I skip a thread
(such as the infinite Wordperfect threads).
To conclude: Send ALL requests EPLEX to 72077,3301: Andre Frech (CBM/ATL)
Thanks! andre
Ron,
Why not give it a try? I am planning on calling CBM to try to get a demo for
us in PaineWebber. If it works out, I'll put you both in touch.
–Gabe
The Decstation 3100 has a better price/perfomance ratio. And operates at 15
Mips. By the way you can get DECNET and XWindows on a PC. Who needs music
in the office? I still LOVE my Amiga and use it every night after work. I
think you would rather use that DecStation (Let the boss pay for your high
tech toys) The DecStation is really cool, but I wouldn't want to sell my
car to get one at home! KEEP XWindows OFF MY AMIGA!
further, why would a company bother with the Amiga, if it is perceived that the
company has a tough time staying ahead technologically? The low percentage of
R&D (currently stated by some to be about 4% of earnings, where the industry
standard is 8% — in any case, I don't want to argue percentages with you, the
fact is that R&D *IS* lower than the industry averages) combined with the few
hardware and software announcements indicate to observers that not much of
interest is going on.
To break this perception, there are, I think, a couple of things Commodore can
and should do:
1) Increase connectivity of the Amiga, through the Amiga side, to popular
networking software. Novell has announced Portable Netware, which is available
for porting to any multitasking environment for use as a server. It is written
in 'C' and would seem an ideal vehicle for the Amiga. Have this software
written for the Amiga, along with connectivity options for Amigas as
workstations, to give the world the impression that Commodore works with "the
big guys" to provide complete computing solutions with the Amiga. It would
also give the world a bit of a shock to see an Amiga working as a server in a
heavy duty computing environment. It would convince people of the power of the
machine.
2) WB 1.4 – This is a very important release of the OS. Supposedly the whole
look-and-feel is being changed, I would guess, to preclude any possible Apple
lawsuits. Fine. It also supposedly includes many more tweaks to the OS to
support additional HW. Also, Fine. What else it should include is support for
new hardware concepts for the next generation Amigas. Like the secretive 3000.
Sheesh! Why not have a few well-placed industry leaks. Like yes, the 3000
WILL use a 68030. Like, we are looking seriously at new 68040 technology,
like…. (more to come)
..like saying the standard next generation Amiga will have options for screen
resolutions up to 1280×1000 (or whatever, obviously the higher the better)
"with the appropriate hardware"
This last is very important. Hooks for third party hardware ought to continue
to be built into the system. Its extensibility is a feature that will allow
third parties to come in and develop hardware, and use existing hardware, but
adapt it to the Amiga. This would tend to bring the Amiga more into the
perceived "mainstream" and IMHO, increase its acceptibility to consumers. On
the developer side, this openness, COMBINED WITH A DEMONSTRATED WILLINGNESS ON
CBM's PART TO SUPPORT DEVELOPERS would increase the hardware availability for
the Amiga.
On this last note, an important aside, I do not presume to speak for the many
developers, both software and hardware, who visit here. But my perception has
been that they feel that CBM support is difficult to come by, at best, and is
downright impossible to get in the worst case. What to do? Increase developer
involvement in the 1.4 development. Now. While the keyboards of the
programmers are hot! C'mon, kick a little internal butt at CBM! Pass these
suggestions along, and poll the developers on line here. I think you'll find
this represents somewhat of a consensus view.
*whew*! I'm done, now officer, you can take me away in that nice white jacket
with the long sleeves. I'll go quietly… <grin>
–Gabe
This might be an interesting concept. Make two versions of the OS, one
for 512K systems and the other for 1 Meg systems. I'm sure there are a few
things that CBM would like to add but won't go in a 512K system. Maybe virtual
memory?
— Ethan
That would be disastrous. Incompatibility is a death kiss unless you have the
dollars to withstand a new ramp up and user acceptence. Then everyone would go
around saying the Amiga was incompatible with itself; that programs written for
the Amiga don't work on the AMiga, etc, etc… Believe me, I saw it in the
early days of the Amiga (programs written invoke the guru) and the Atari (when
I was considering buying one in the early 85s). andre
While an interesting idea with some possible applications, multiple versions of
the OS sounds impracticable for CBM. Look how long 1.2 and 1.3 took. Do you
really think they could do that, too, and deliver 1.4 in any reasonable amount
of time?
–Gabe
I'm not going to debate with you on the subjects, but I will pass your comments
on. I say we're doing those things; look at Usenet, look at Bix, but we cannot
be everywhere. And if I don't get off the defense soon I feel that I may start
tiring of this group and not be of much use to you anymore.
Can we get down to answering real questions rather than wallowing in rhetoric?
Please?? andre
Please remember that I will pass your comments on to the product manager.
Andre,
I never have any problems getting off a thread. By the looks of it this
morning, more than a hundred are currently piled up under this one, so yeah, I
will be only too glad to get off it <grin>.
Just as a final note, Andre: If there is anything I am happy about at CBM, it
is you. Your presence here is the only thing approaching an official CBM
voice, helping us separate the truth from the rumors.
It would be a great loss to use all if you felt you could no longer deal with
it.
I appreciate your passing the comments along. Thank you. Please stick around.
Rhetoric abating… Signing off for now, this is Captain Guerilla-User….
–Gabe