#A Letter to BYTE
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I wrote a letter to BYTE today. I'm including a copy of it below to get
reactions from you all since I'm also working on a group User Letter to
C=. So, without further ado, here it is.
(Actually, one note: I have no idea what you all were talking about in the
BYTE threads – I guess it pertains to the June issue, which I don't have
yet.)
Dear BYTE,
I am dismayed by the quality and quantity of your coverage of the Amiga.
The Amiga's installed base is approximately half that of the Mac yet the
issue of BYTE with an article about or even a reference to the platform is
the exception rather than the rule. And worse, much of what coverage
there is is plagued by inaccuracies – Tom Yager's crucial discussion of
the "new" Amigas in January's issue, for example, was filled with blatant
mistakes that gave a sketchy and falsely poor impression of the platform
and its capabilities.
I understand that your priorities must largely be dictated by the makeup
of your readership, but this situation is a case of the
chicken-and-the-egg paradox. A PC-only magazine doesn't start out
covering only Macs and then add PC coverage if enough PC users subscribe,
so why should a multiplatform industry-wide magazine start out almost
exclusively covering PCs until enough users of other platforms subscribe
to warrant coverage of theirs? I know many Amiga users who hunger for the
truly excellent Amiga coverage that BYTE occasionally does provide and who
would be overjoyed to buy or subscribe to the magazine if such coverage
was increased.
The fact is that the Amiga is a very powerful, affordable, easy-to-use
computer. Admittedly, there are a few kinds of applications that simply
aren't available for it, but I use mine every day much more productively
than is possible with my PC at work – and I'm not a videographer, I've
never used the Video Toaster, and I doubt I ever will.
As "The Worldwide Computing Authority" BYTE has a lot of power to educate
and influence. I only wish more of that power was offered to the Amiga
and its users.
(Final note: I caved in an called Clones PCs – a cave-in not because I
like the word Clones (I'd rather find another) but because I think Amigas
and Macs and Ataris etc. are all personal computers – because I figured
the point of the letter was elsewhere and there was no sense wasting
precious space on technicalities. This theory is evident throughout the
letter – letters to magazines seem to have their own form, and I glossed
over a lot of issues. However, it has the same sober,
not-flamboyantly-bashing but not-candy-coating tone that I am trying to
take with the User Letter to C= – which is why I want your comments. It
seems to me that people are going to respect neither the frothings of
lunatics nor the tongueings of suckers. Actually, I expect that the
letter will be lost in the shuffle and ignored anyway, but what the
hell.)
Paul
Paul,
"…one can attract more flies with molasses than with vinegar….."
Well written article, medium toned yet assertive…
It's also important to note that (I've heard and read) that Amiga owners
subscribe to more (different) magazines than any other PC.
(sounds good anyway…..)
Patrick White
"The Amiga non AB rated"
Paul,
I read your letter to BYTE. One clarification please. You said, "The
Amiga's installed base is approximately half that of the Mac…". I
thought there were under 4 million Amigas and over 20 million Macs. Where
did you get your figures from?
Thanks.
Dom Fontana
–> Sent from NY via AP <–
20 million? Really? I had the impression that there were about 8 million
– hence the "half the installed base" part. I'm not absolutely sure where
I got the figure, but I think it's from BYTE. Maybe Jerry Pournelle's
column, or one of their graphs showing the different types of computers
owned, or something.
I hope you're wrong – if you're right (besides the fact that it's a scary
figure) the letter will be even more useless than it already is.
Paul
Paul,
I got my figures from a computer magazine, but I don't remember which
one and I don't know if the figures are accurate. However, the figures
that I read about one year ago indicated that there were over 100 million
PC/Clones; 20 million Macs; and Amiga and Atari were running neck and neck
at about 3 million each.
I now understand that Amiga sales are approaching the 4 million mark.
However, I also read that only 700,000 Amigas have been sold in the U.S.
Again, this is what I read and it could be inaccurate. However, if the
figures are correct, 700,000 U.S. Amiga sales doesn't translate to 700,000
U.S. Amiga users. I know very many people who own multiple Amigas. I don't
know if it's true for the other platforms, but it seems much of the
Amiga's sales are to prior Amiga owners, and that it's not uncommon to
find anywhere from 2 to 4 Amigas in one household. So for example, if we
say that the average U.S. Amiga user owns 2 Amigas, then there are only
about 350,000 Amiga users in the U.S., and this is a relatively
insignificant number. Even 700,000 is relatively insignificant.
Dom Fontana
–> Sent from NY via AP <–
Also bear in mind that the vast majority of those 100-odd million (or whatever
the correct figure is) PCs are sitting on office desks and are used as data
entry terminals by minimum wage drones. I believe the magazines were saying
that this year (93) would be the year that 386 and up class machines achieved
50% of the market (IE at least half the machines out there are 286 or
8088-based). The PC home market is growing, but when it comes to ratios of
home based machines, I would estimate (based on readings, no inspiration from
God here) at 10:2:1 PC:Mac:Amiga. IE if there are 10M IBMs in houses being
used, there are 2 M macs and 1M Amis.
Robert,
I agree that many PCs can be found in secretarial pools, etc. However,
I have no idea if your ratio figures of home machines are correct. Ten
times as many home PCs as Amigas seems plausible, but it seems to me that
there are a lot more than two home Macs for every home Amiga.
Dom Fontana
–> Sent from NY via AP <–
Latest SPA figures [suspect, but all I have] for PCs installed: 74% IBM [10%
8086, 13% 286, 38% 386, 13% 486, 24% 'don't know', making one wonder about the
IQ of IBM users (and I suspect most of that 24% is at the low end, since
presumably someone who shelled out the bucks for a 486 knows what she has)],
10% Macintosh, 7% Apple II, 8% 'other', about 2-3% would be Amiga at a rough
guess.
I wonder how many XT and AT class machines are still running. A couple of my
customers have ROOMS full of 286's piled up. They aren't good enough to use and
they're too good to throw away – supposedly… Even the local high school
won't accept 286 donations any more.
Robert,
Gee. Those figures indicate there are more Apple IIs out there than
Amigas.
Dom Fontana
–> Sent from NY via AP <–
Dom:
There are _still_ Apple II's in most classrooms and many teachers
still have them as well. Most of the II's that went to students are up on
closet shelves now. It doesn't surprize me that they still outnumber
Amigas (especially here in the US) but I expect the Amiga will pass up the
II in the next couple of years.
Clint <Chaocity>
I don't buy those figures; there ought to be more Commodore 64s out there
than Apple IIs, but they're not even on the map.
Ron:
Last I heard, the C64 still outnumbered everyone else, but I think the
people who make up the lists have decided that it is no longer a "serious"
computer. Not sure why they would leave the Apple II in the list if that
was the case, but I don't make the lists. The Mac numbers seem a bit high,
but I am restricted from making guesses of my own. <grin> Even though I am
not a Mac developer anymore, that was information that was covered under
NDA when I was.
Clint <VRLI>
Clint,
How are you? You're right, Apple did sell an awful lot of Apple IIs to
the school market in the 1980's.
Dom Fontana
–> Sent from NY via AP <–
Dom:
Just fine here! You're old 500 is still working away, on about 12
hours a day. <grin>
Apple's "educational program" was one of the smartest moves they ever
made. A lot of people grew up with the Apple II being the only exposure to
a computer that they had, so when they were adults the blindly bought
Mac's, as Apple was "the company that made the computer they used in
school". The education market is hard to break into today, and there are
no short term profits to be had there, but in the long term it's still a
way to build a user base.
Clint <VRLI><Chaocity>
In the U.S. – I would expect there's still more Apple IIs in use than Amigas.
Apple sold zillions of them to schools and many schools are still tied into the
software on those machines. Come to think of it, Commodore certainly sold
zillions of C64s compared to the numbers of Amigas, but most C64s (I would
guess) are collecting dust at this point (I know, I have one, works fine, but I
don't need it – know of a good home?)
Paul.
Several local school systems had huge labs of C64s a few years ago, but
they had to replace them because they were unable to get service on them,
and they just HAD to have something that could be repaired and put back
into service. I know that this was true of the Dallas school system, and
also of the one in Arlington, TX where I live.
—Betty
That's a shame. Oh well, Commodore has certainly been back and forth as far as
interest in education.
Paul,
You're right. Apple did corner the school market in the 1980's.
Dom Fontana
–> Sent from NY via AP <–
Robert,
I think it depends on the business your in. Here in Hollywood, Ca. you
would think the world was Mac only. I work in a lab where our main thing
is creating original art work for movie promotions, we do movie posters.
Although we use Quantel Paintbox's for the hi budget stuff, we have bought
15 to 20 macs in the last year. It's a growing business, Our ratio
for computer h/w is 20:3:3 Mac:Intel:Other, Sorry no Amigas anymore :^(
PC's are Workhorses, Mac's are for "Artists" … Amiga's are for Wierdo's
I'm proud to be Un-Conventional, Out of about 50 people I work with only
about 2 are Amiga users or wannabe's.
….John
> PC's are Workhorses, Mac's are for "Artists" … Amiga's are for >
Wierdo's
Not wierdo's. Amiga's are for "Artists" that have a need for a workhorse,
or, Amiga's are for "Techies"
Bob Comer — Cruising the nets on AutoPilot from Cheyenne, Wyoming
I would say this….
PC's are for those that don't know better.
MACs are for the wealthy that don't know better.
Amigas are for the few intelligent species left on earth.
-Jonathan
The Few, The Proud, The Amigans!
🙂 Sorry about that USMC….
Definitely!
Bob Comer — Cruising the nets on AutoPilot from Cheyenne, Wyoming
I've been telling people that:
PC's are merely electronic filing cabinets;
Macs are Yuppie Toys; and
Amigas are the only REAL Desktop Computers.
BTW: Considering the several major applications Amigas are used for,
that all revolve around a sort-of-common-idea, how about if we refer to
the Amiga as a "CC", meaning "Creative Computer"?
And what are the Atari computers? You know, the computer platform that
has sales figures similar to the Amiga. 😎
Discounting PCs and Macs to your friends, doesn't mean they will
necessarily buy an Amiga. They have another choice called Atari. That's
the platform the Amiga is really competing against. People who want PCs
and Macs, for whatever reason, aren't really going to flock to the Amiga
in any significant numbers. At least they haven't in the past. The type of
people that would consider an Amiga would probably also consider an Atari.
Just like when there was the Atari 800 line and the C64. The Atari people
are the ones you would have to persuade.
To paraphrase Satchel Paige, don't look ahead to see if the Amiga can
catch PCs and Macs, but look behind you because the Atari computers might
be about to pass you. Especially with their new Falcon 030, which far
surpasses the Amiga's sound capabilities, which haven't been updated in 8
years.
Dom Fontana
–> Sent from NY via AP <–
You MUST be kidding! Atari? Atari computers are doorstops! That is all
ANY computer is without software, and new software development for the ST
is close to nil. Of course, in the case of the Falcon, there isn't any
hardware either. <g> When and if it does come out, the audio capabilities
won't even come close to that of the CBM DSP board. I'll give you three
guesses as to which will have more software support. And if you think
current sales of Atari computers are anywhere even close to that of Amigas
you are misinformed. And they are falling, not gaining. Like a rock.
There is no place to buy hardware, and no place to buy software, and
nothing much to buy if you COULD find any. I seriously doubt that anyone
at CBM needs to sit up nights worrying about Atari! Now, cheap Macs,
THAT'S a problem. Dirt-cheap clones taking over the market entirely,
that's a problem. People who say "Omega? What's an Omega?", that's a
problem. A close-to-bankrupt Atari isn't.
(Boy, that felt great! It's been YEARS since I got off a good Atari
flame. Heck, it's been years since *anyone* flamed Atari. Too much like
beating a dead horse.)
//
-Karl \X/ Amiga and Autopilot: The *only* way to fly!
You still don't get it Dom-
THE ATARI IS DEAD.
Deader than a doornail, Falcon is a flop. A few thousand music types is
all that is left. Get a hold of Paine Webber's assesment of the company's
product line, computer division will be phased out but still provide
technical support.
–Paul < Motorola Inside >
Even 4 mil is insignificant. I only hope it changes.
Paul
Hey let's not get to pessimistic here! 4 million is very significant. First,
while there's tons of PCs out there, they're not all made by one company!
Second, Amiga penetration was far faster than Macs at one time as a matter of
fact, although since Apple has drastically lowered prices their volume has
skyrocketed. Third, remember Next? They would have thrown wild parties if
they'd sold *1* million, let alone 4. Commodore's certainly not perfect, but
trust me, it's a tough market, and the Amiga is "successful".
When one looks at PC numbers, PLEASE note that these are total sales of
computers, not PC's IN USE. Does anyone have ANY idea just how many XTs,
ATs and now 386's are relegated to closet-duty due to hardware upgrades?
When you look at Mac numbers, do they include the Apple series? Does this
include the original Macs which have been upgraded to the Mac II series?
I suspect if you weed these numbers, the IBM dominator will not be quite
so monsterous. I'd bet most Amiga A1000's are still crankin' along simply
because they can!
David Czaya …via AutoPilot
I agree… The company I work for does lots and lots of Novell networks each
year so we sell lots and lots of pc for servers and workstations. Just one of
our customers, a very large local school district, has in excess of 19,000
clones scattered around 120 schools. Three of those schools are computer
magnets. In the last two years we have "upgraded" almost the entire district
from old Apple II, and IBM XT, and 286 machines. The numbers of these are
staggering, and take into consideration that just two years ago they upgraded
3,000 machines from XT class up to 286 class. Now they are going to all 386
machines (against recomendation), and of course those will have to be updated
soon. The old machines are rotting away in warehouses, they can't give them
away since they are still depreciating the things…
The key here is that Amiga owners, unlike thier clone counterparts have the
skill and knowledge (and vendor support) to upgrade our machines without
replacing the entire unit. The AGA chipset being the first and hopefully
temporary exception. You want to upgrade your 68000 based 2000/500, just select
your method, 030, 040, etc… Try that in the pc world… No dice. We have
tried a couple of upgrades from kingston Tech. that have been major flops, too
many variations in clone designs.
So whereas an Amiga owner may "Frankenstien" his A500 thereby avoiding
upgrading to new machines each time he/she needs more power, an IBM pc Xt owner
has no alternative. My A500 is my pride and joy even beyond my new 4000, simply
because it has grown with me. Of course if you saw it you wouldn't know it was
an A500 anymore…. 🙂
Right: The PC clone as "disposable" computer, with Macs running second (a
lot of early Macs are simply unupgradeable). Would BIC shavers be "better"
because they sell in much greater quantities than Gillette Atras? The
Amiga is a wonderfully expandable and upgradeable system, even in the case
of A500, 600, 1000 and 1200 models that weren't designed for major
upgrades.
While you say the move to AGA is hopefully an exception as far as users having
to replace their whole (older) machines to get that feature, I'm not so sure.
Remember that while the A500 and A2000 were GREAT for users and <grin> third
party companies who could make lots of add-ons that would make those machines
viable for years, that's not actually what Commodore wants, since they'd rather
have people in a position where they must upgrade the whole machine, because
that translates into more business for them. Having third parties continue to
make old hardware viable is not good for Commodore. That's why the continual
rampage of newer Intel processors and more demanding software has been nirvana
for hardware companies, who know that sooner or later the customers are going
to come back.
Oh I definatley agree that for Commodore, the recycling and extended life of
it's machines could be a down side. However, it could also be an upside that C=
should have used to thier advantage. I don't think any other computer company
in the desktop market can claim to have the kind of reliability and longevity.
Yet these are issues that are easily overlooked. I remember when I first bought
my A500, way way back in the day. I had no warranty concerns so I just opened
it up, I was shocked to see how organized and simple the motherboard and
internals were, in comparison to my clone boxes.
In addition, if Commodore were to make this into an asset it could be a great
boon. I am constantly dealing with IS managers and small companies who are
tired of the constant upgrading and changing in the pc world. Some of them have
actually purchased and Amiga or two and have come back for more. The only down
has been Commodore's lack of solid marketing and questionable pricing
practices.
BTW I now own 3 Amigas, two of which have been upgraded substantially, a
"frankenstiened A500" a toaster 2000 and a brand spanking new 4000. The
longevity of the machines has made me a loyal customer.
No question – the upward compatibility and longevity of older Amigas a
marketable ASSET overall. Clearly ya can't run Windows on an XT (gag).
Instead of continually marketing back at the same end-users over and
over (no offense meant), i.e., power-up, etc., Commodore should market the
compatbility issue to new customers, just like DEC has done with VAXes for
decades.
Regards, Paul.
James,
>BTW I now own 3 Amigas…<
Boy, those 4 million Amiga sales are representing fewer and fewer
actual Amiga users all the time. 😎
Dom Fontana
–> Sent from NY via AP <–
He he he he… Considering that my Amigas have spawned more amiga sales to
friends, relatives, (countrymen ???), neighbors and business associates and
clients, I would have to say that they have done more than their fare share of
reproducing! I can directly point to about 30 brand new machines that were
purchased after contact with my machines. That's a 10 to one ratio, not shabby
at all! Sure some were purchased just to use toaster, but most were purchased
for what I call "perceived value". People come to my home or office and see an
Amiga running native applications, Mac software, IBM goodies, Windoz, and
networking. They think "hey!!!! that's great, 3 for the price of one" ( ok so
until now bridgeboard has been kinda high ). It's great for the kids, great
for the designer, great for the home videographer… Of course you know all of
this…
Look at it from a different angle though… I have 3 Amigas, two at home and
one at the office… I have two sons a wife and a couple of in laws who
regularly use the home machines so that's a minumum of 5 amiga users there.
Don't laugh! This is the same way some of those crazy pc user numbers are
arrived at! At work, my machine is constantly being "borrowed" for some
activity, maybe a quick render of a test layout before it goes to the expensive
toys (SGI), or perhaps a new scala design for the next trade show… I would
guestimate about 6 more frequent users. So that totals 11 users plus me, that's
12 amiga users.
It is very possible to have the numbers flow opposite of the generally accepted
norm. Just because there are 40 million pcs doesn't mean there are 40 million
users, could be more could be less. Units sold does not equate to total users.
Oh well… in the end it really means nothing… If Commodore closed tommorrow
I could very happily say that I have managed great value from my machines, had
great fun with them, and I could use them for another couple of years with the
current software and hardware. Then when the 380mips super clone with os/6
comes out I'll just move along…
James,
>Units sold does not equate to total users.<
Yes, I know this. That was precisely my point. 😎
>…that's 12 amiga users.<
The problem is that doesn't equate to 12 people buying Amiga software.
The downsizing of sales to actual users applies to all platforms. But the
quoted PC sales figures are so much higher than the Amiga's, that even
when they're downsized, there's still enough people buying PC software to
make it an attractive market for the major software developers. The same
can't be said for the Amiga.
Dom Fontana
–> Sent from NY via AP <–
Dom, don't you think the people that buy PC's (clones) have only bought 1
PC in their lifetime???
Most of the people (that actually USE PC's at home) have bought more PC's
than I have Amiga's (I'm on my 3rd since 1986)
The difference between them and I, is that all 3 of my Amiga's are still
being used. You can't say the same about the multiple PC buyers.
ALL computer sales figures are inflated when you compare them to the
actual amount being used.
In regards to your Atari post, yes the Falcon has better sound, but that's
the ONLY thing thats better about them. The reason I have an Amiga is not
sound, and if I want real sound, I'd probably go midi anyway, though the
new C= DSP sounds awesome. 🙂
Bob Comer — Cruising the nets on AutoPilot from Cheyenne, Wyoming
Robert,
See my message to James Roath concerning sales figures. Even though you
use 3 Amigas, you don't buy the same software program three times. The
bottom line is that PC users spend much more money on computer software
than Amiga users. The inflated figures hurt the Amiga much more than the
PC. When PC figures are downsized to reflect actual users, there's still a
huge user software base. When the Amiga figures are also downsized, the
remaining number of potential software purchasers is really quite small.
Also, I use the Amiga for many things, but sound is one of the most
important to me. I guess you're saying that people who do want a computer
for sound, shouldn't be using the Amiga. Of course, you're going to use
MIDI and/or multitrack tape for any serious music uses. But, I'm talking
about 16-bit direct-to-disk recording. That's what the Atari Falcon has
built in. And the computer is really cheap. The CBM DSP sounds good, but
it's not here yet, and if and when it arrives, the Amiga that houses it
will almost definitely cost more than the Falcon. Whatever happened to
"Power Without the Price"?
When the Amiga doesn't have something that another platform has, then
some Amiga users will say, but the Amiga costs a lot less. Then, when
another platform has something that the Amiga doesn't have, some users
will say, but when the Amiga adds this capability it's okay if it costs
more, because the Amiga's implementation of it will be better. In other
words, in the minds of some people the Amiga is always the best at
everything!
That's simply not true. Hey, I bought and own an Amiga. I made my
choice, but let's call a spade a spade. The Amiga is not the best at
everything. Even if the hardware is more capable than other platforms,
let's look at the facts. We don't have major software vendor support. We
are lacking in a large quantity of business software. We don't have all
the best games released for the Amiga. We had limited color capability and
inferior graphics resolutions before AGA. We don't have the best sound
anymore.
I'm not knocking the machine, but just pointing out that other
platforms have their good points, too. When Amiga users don't admit this,
they are not taken seriously by other platforms. If a person continually
says the Amiga is the best at everything and knocks the other platforms,
then people won't listen to what they have to say, even if the majority of
what they say is true. I think it's better to admit the Amiga's
shortcomings, so then people might listen when you bring up the
strongpoints of the Amiga.
Dom Fontana
–> Sent from NY via AP <–
You made a good point about corporations depreciating the equipment. I
feel certain the example you cited is not isolated.
A friend of mine who is actually quite computer illiterate has already
gone from a Tandy to a PS/1 and now on to a 486 and can barely copy files.
He wings through MS Word pretty well, though.
All along the way, I have had my Amigas (an A1000 and an A2000) since
October 1985 and with the addition of an accelerator board and some ram, I
still feel I am nearly 100% up to date hardware-wise. I can still impress
'em with my Amiga.
Exactly!
Except for AGA the old machines can always move up! I hope that an AGA
solution is not far away (sorry CBM, but hey you already got me on the A4000).
Good point; I've got three or four aging PCs that aren't in use (80286 or
slower processors). Also I've got two later-design PCS (if you count one
Bridgeboard!) in use. AND I've got *three* Amigas, ALL of which are in
use!
Someone ought to look at A1000s still in use as a percentage of original
sales. I'll bet the figure is very, very high compared to industry
average. Saab used to promote this type of statistic in its car ads. The
A1000 has survived because it was at base a pretty good computer that's
still capable of running later software and being upgraded, even after
eight years. Can't say that about most of its contemporaries. Indeed, I
know A1000 owners who aren't even considering upgrading, a fact which may
have tended to hold down repeat Amiga sales.
Sorry, David, but I disagree. No matter how you look at it, there are
tremendously more PCs in use than the Amiga. The same goes for the Mac,
but to a lesser extent. Also, the figures for the Amiga also just reflect
sales, and not actual computers in use. Remember, there have only been
about 700,000 Amigas sales in the U.S. Even if they were all in use, that
doesn't translate to 700,000 users, since many people own more than one
Amiga.
The main reason it matters is if there were more sales, we'd have more
and better software support. I don't care if the Amiga ever has the market
penetration of PCs or Macs. If there were just enough sales to get us more
and better software, then I'd be happy.
Dom Fontana
–> Sent from NY via AP <–
> Sorry, David, but I disagree. No matter how you look at it, there >
are tremendously more PCs in use than the Amiga. The same goes for the >
Mac,
Umm, with what do you disagree?!? I wasn't disputing the dominance of the
PC in the marketplace, only the fact that the numbers are heavily
inflated. When they quote a number (50M or 100M), it most certainly
implies that there are that many "people" using that kind of computer
which is simply untrue.
David Czaya …via AutoPilot
David,
I was just just disagreeing with your statement, "…the IBM dominator
will not be quite so monsterous." It sounded like you were trying to
narrow thw gap between the number of IBM users and Amiga users. I am aware
that the sales figures don't translate to actual current users. That's why
I brought up in my previous message that 4 million Amigas sold doesn't
translate to 4 million Amiga users, especially since, I think that Amiga
users are more apt to own more than one Amiga than IBMers are apt to own
more than one PC. There may only be 350,000 to 450,000 Amiga users in the
whole U.S. So even though PC numbers might be inflated, so are the Amiga
numbers, so I don't think the gap has been narrowed. If anything, the gap
is even wider in the U.S., since most of the Amiga's sales have been
outside the U.S.
Dom Fontana
–> Sent from NY via AP <–
Fair enough. One thing I might add is that even though many amiga users
are multi-machine owners, I would tend to think a considerable number of
those people are using all their equipment and not upgrading and closeting
the old as would be found when upgrading from XT/AT, etc.
David Czaya …via AutoPilot
David,
I agree with you there. The multi-Amiga owners are probably using all
their machines. I also think Amiga owners are more enthusiastic about
their machines than PCers are.
Dom Fontana
–> Sent from NY via AP <–
Latest figures I've heard are 4-5 million Amigas and 10 million Macs, so
you're right in there.
Dom… from what I have heard, there are just over 4 million Amigas sold
and just over 10 million MACs sold. There are, however, over 60 million
clones in the world – eeeeek!
-Jonathan
Jonathan,
We all seem to have read different figures for the other platforms, but
we all seem to agree that there are about 4 million Amigas sold. 😎
Dom Fontana
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