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I know you have explained this at least once before but I can't find
the message on it in my great archives<g>. I believe your example had
to do with a horse and it's rider. I have a gun (look out!) linked to
a hand during part of the animation and I want to unlink it and link
it another hand for the rest of the frames. I can't seem to get it
right. Could you explain one more time<g>.
since I'm very anti private gun ownership (being a Brit) I'll
substitute another object for the gun in this example. How about of
cup of tea? – in his hand that is <g>.
The way I would do this is to have the man linked to a dummy and the
cup of tea linked to the dummy and placed in his hand. You move the
dummy to get the motion when the man is going together with his tea.
When the cup of tea needs to leave the man's hand (because he's
finished it now presumably) you now move the man and cup of tea
seperately. If the cup is refilled and he wants to wander off again,
move the cup back into his hand and then move the dummy, when they
are reunited. Voila!
I used this approach for a man on a horse carrying a pitch fork (both
man and horse with seperate hierarchies) and all were linked to a
dummy, whilst working on pre-visualization of the movie "Wolf". At
various points the pitch fork, the man and the horse had to part
ways. Lots of fun <g>.
I'm very anti private gun ownership as well, most of the time. The
exception being when I read about some innocent unarmed person who is
shot and my emotions take me back to arming all innocent people with
guns. The problem with that solution is that it has young boys
shooting their siblings/friends with dad's "unloaded gun". What this
world desperately needs is a potent non lethal weapon that can
immobilize a person at 20 feet. A phaser set on stun?<g>
Working with a cup of tea is fine, I've worked with a number
of Brits over the last 15 years and I've always enjoyed a good cup of
tea. I'm still having a problem however. The first man's hand is
moving and so is the second man's hand, when I link the cup to the
man's palm the keyframing is taken care of automatically, not so with
linking to the dummy. I have to do alot of keyframing for the cup to
follow both hands. Am I missing something?
You can create dummies for the hands and cup, too. With a little creativity
and lots of dummies, you can limit your keyframing requirements. It is not
possible, as far as I know, to animate hierarchies, like linked in frames 1-20,
unlinked frames 21-60.
But I would use seperate animations and cut them together, you know, like in
movies. Computer people never seem to think in terms of edits. You could
create an animation with the gun in one hand, linked and all, then a cutaway
animation, like the revolver being passed to the other hand, then cut to the
gun being weilded in the other hand.
Regards,
John Tissavary (La Luna cie)
John
That's a good idea using separate animations and cutting them together.
Your right, computer people never seem to think in terms of edits like they use
all the time in movies. That's why we have people with movie backgrounds like
you to help us out.<g> Thanks
Nick
Anytime, Nicholas. Hope your animation turns out to be fun!
John Tissavary (La Luna cie)
In Release 3, you can use Hide keys plus the Snapshot command to
(apparently) transfer linked child objects. There's a short tutorial
that shows you how to pick up an object with the Robot Arm, move it,
linked, to another spot, and then deposit it.
Aha! Another reason for me to lie awake an night, unable to sleep
with anticipation for Mr. Federal Express Man's ring of the doorbell
and cheery smile, when I sign my name and walk back upstairs with a
few more month's worth of 70 degree learning curve. I CAN'T wait!
Ahhh, the learning curve shouldn't be too bad for you upgraders. We've included
a list of which tutorials you should read, and which to ignore. Granted, this
is a bigger leap than the upgrade between Version 1 and Release 2, but you
should be up to speed in about a year or two. <g>
– J
Glad to hear about the "upgrade tutorial" list. I like learning curves anyway.
Discovery is the most fun part of any new software for me.
John Tissavary (La Luna cie)
Gary, PMJI, But I've got a 4 day curriculem based on release 2 and
have a couple of students for classes next week. I was wondering
given a 4 day schedule, what you thought I might want to show them as
"most critical" in the Release 3 modules. I'd be willing to blow off
an entire day just for a few of the juciest parts. I know that's not
a lot of time but since they are coming in for training and the
dealership has its copy of Release 3 I would like to now include
"some" of release 3 so they wouldn't feel they got short changed on
the current training package. I realize I could spend a day easily
just in the Materials Module.<G> Thanks Gary. James M. Murphy
I'm sure Gary's got his own preferences, but I'd recommend you take a
look at the "New Feature Map" section in chapter 1 of the Tutorials
(I assume you have a prerelease of the docs?). This will give you an
idea of which areas we felt were important to demonstrate to
upgraders. Generally, I'd recommend you hit the Materials Editor,
with emphasis on mapping, following by the new spotlights — all
their new goodies — and then go into Tracks/File Insert, Hide keys,
and the Snapshot command in the Keyframer.
I'm sure that if everybody replies like this, you can spend all four
days just covering highlights, but my $0.02…
I'm really keen to see the raytraced lights. I have had a terrible
time trying to do accurate sun shadowing.
****HEY*** there's an idea. A light that you can just slam time and
date info into, and have it plunk itself into proper sun location. Of
course this would have to have a friendly way or three of specifying
NORTH and all. Of course it would have to be animateable, that way, I
could just put it at noon on Jan 21 and 11 frames later noon on Dec
21 and then get a frame a month of the shadows. (I have already had
to something like this. They liked it. They eventually got around to
paying ; )
Hrm. Sorry James. I just keep forgetting to post that and I know Yost
Group is reading this thread..Any way, I was also very keen to hear
about the region rendering.
Upgrading from R1, it is going to be many many days, before I even
look at most of the major coolnesses that I have coming. -gruhn
Nicholas,
JohnT has some excellent suggestions – although he forgot we had
substituted the gun for a cup of tea <g>. I often do multiple scene
animations, cut to different camera angles etc. This allows deleting
of non-used geometry too, when not in view. My second TV commercial
was made of about 10 scenes and whenever there was a closeup of a
hand doing something, I'd usually deleted the rest of the body and
was just moving the dummy that the hand was linked to. This would
still allow something to be in the hand and seperately linked to that
dummy.
>> although he forgot we had substituted the gun for a cup of tea <g><<
No, Martin, I didn't forget: I drink my tea from the barrel of a .45 <g>.
I'm a firm gun control nut. I come from Europe also, and can't
uderstand (could a flourishing arms industry have something to do
with that?) why it's so easy to own a gun here. I don't necessarily
think guns should be abolished completely (I've been known to shoot
holes in paper occasionally), I just think it ought to take as much
effort to get one as it does to get an education.
I agree completely with your comment that it ought to be a *little*
more difficult to obtain a gun. What you're forgetting is that you
live in a country that hands out the right to drive to 16 year old
kids who've survived a 20 minute driving "test". (You oughta see
that driving tests they use in South Africa – they're incredibly
hard.)
Ah, to keep this legal, I'll say that my animations came a long way
after I realized that 10 five second "cuts" looked a lot cooler than
a 50 second smooth pan through the model.
>> my animations came a long way after I realized that 10 five second "cuts"
looked a lot cooler than a 50 second smooth pan through the model.<<
Amen to that! I came from movies where edits are as common as dirt, and it
STILL took me a few months to get over being able to do a thirty second pan and
dolly through my scenes. Film guys would KILL to be able to do stuff like that
without having to spend mega $$$ on extra crew and specially designed sets.
Regards,
John Tissavary (La Luna cie)
John,
>> I just think it ought to take as much effort to get one as it does to get
an education. >>
That would be a step in the right direction, but I'm afraid nothing
short a huge catastrophe is going to change the status quo. That's
why I'm applying for immigration to Australia which has more of a
"zero tolerance" attitude to private firearms, like most of Europe.
I'd go back to England but can't stand the weather. Hopefully, I'll
be able to rebuild something of an animation business over there,
based on my experience and impressive-sounding client list from here.
Martin,
You're really moving south?
Are guns actually a reason?????
I have a number of guns, but I hate to think that the guns in my safe are even
remotely tied to your exodus.
Paul
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Paul,
Yes, my wife and I are going on an explorartory visit to Sydney at
Thanksgiving (or Christmas depending on ticket availability). I have
the application forms for immigration, too. This is not a new
decision, it's been fermenting within me for about 20 years (lots of
Brits want to move to Aus). Some of the long-time forum members may
have remembered me making inquiries about 3ds opportunities in
Australia 2 years ago.
The proliferation of handguns in particular, in America are probably
the main reason for my desire to move now. Followed by pollution and
other lesser quality-of-life issues. In not against sports guns like
rifles so much, being a marksman myself, though I'm not an owner of
anything more than a bb gun. You have to remember that I grew up in
England where handguns are practically non-existent and where the
fear of getting shot ranked comparably with the fear of being killed
by lightning. There's lots of fighting in England and I used to get
in a lot, but you never worried that someone would shoot you if they
felt like it. It's a totally different attitude and I just can't get
comfortable with people's blase attitude about what I feel is an
epdemic here. I don't expect anything to change and I don't have any
solution, so my answer is just to try to move to a country which has
a similar attitude to my own – but with much better weather <g>.
I must say that I respect your convictions. The handgun epidemic is
probably as good of a reason as any to consider moving. My wife and I
have actually considered such a move out of the U.S., but mainly
because of the general bubble like social atmosphere. One can only
take so many Television evangelist.
Good luck in your hunting! I have a sister in law who has been happily
hopping around Europe and Scandanavia for about 7 months now. We're
hoping she'll come back with some Utopia like recommendations. If I
could get my wife adjusted to the cold, I'd move back to Sweden. I
have alot of family there.
thanks for your understanding Paul. I seem to have offended some
other people here and wanted to explain that I'm not maligning the
USA, just big city USA. Just look at the violent crime and murder
figures and compare them to Europe – they make me shudder. I'm sure
there are relatively crime-free areas in America (N. Dakota), too,
but with my kind of business I think a need to work in the big
cities, although I can live in the suburbs. I think of myself more as
a world citizen, too, and feel that I could live anywhere for a while
and then just move on, when the it feels right. I don't think it's
running away, it's just exercising my options.
Martin,
>>> I don't expect anything to change and I don't have any solution, so my
answer is just to try to move to a country which has a similar attitude to my
own <<<
Don't you think this is an Over-generalization…I'm sure your going to find
violent people wherever you go…the solution is to do something about it, not
just talk.
Much as all the violence bothers me if a gang of drug infested maggots moved in
next door to me you can be sure I wouldn't be sitting on my ass waiting for
somebody else to do something about it. I don't think running away ever solved
anything. Each place has it's own kind of trouble…it's how YOU deal with it
that counts!
Oh Ya' All this coming from a former Harley Davidson Owner!
James (Not minding his own business) Murphy <g>
>> if a gang of drug infested maggots moved in next door to me you can
be sure I wouldn't be sitting on my ass waiting for somebody else to
do something about it. I don't think running away ever solved
anything. Each place has it's own kind of trouble…it's how YOU
deal with it that counts!>>
You raise some interesting points, _none_ of which I agree with. First
of all, I live in a very nice neighbourhood with very low crime (1
murder this year in my city, Laguna Hills). I strongly support the
police and cannot condone vigilantiism – we pay for the police to do
the dirty work. I used to be a bobby in London and must confess I
don't like doing society's dirty work, but somebody's got to do it.
Anyway, curing a neighbourhood is one thing, but curing a city like
LA, where I actually work, is realistically a little beyond my powers
(what me! not Superman!). Furthermore, I don't see it as running
away, since I'm not even from here anyway. I'm British and came here
frankly for opportunistic reasons. Therefore, I probably feel less
ties to the USA than to Australia, where I have some family. I don't
necessarily think Australia is going to be Utopia, but if the murder
rate (usually tied to number of handguns out there) is lower than LA,
then it's going to be a relatively more comfortable place to live and
bring up a family. Everything's relative.
Martin
P.S. My wife has been the victim of a robber armed with a handgun a
few years ago. Luckily, she was unhurt, but I can't deny it has had
an effect on us, maybe me more than her.
Martin,
>> I strongly support the police and
cannot condone vigilantiism << ….It worked for Bronsen ;-)……
I strongly support the police too…in fact you really have no idea how
much……actually you _have_ to know how the system works to work the system.
Let me put it this way….before we moved to our current wonderfully quite
neighborhood we lived closer to downtown. There where a lot of "rentals" on
all sides of us taking over as "families" moved out. There was a particularly
BAD Rental right next door to me. "Gang Related" the slumlord wouldn't listen
to reason soooooo somehow his property got condemmed and the city bulldozed the
place. GET IT…. Work the System!
It helps to know the right people as well as stay away from the wrong people.
I wish I could tell you more about some of my former "experiences" while
working for ASA…..maybe…. when I'm much, much older, it'll make a hell of a
book.
>> P.S. My wife has been the victim of a robber <<
I know how you feel…my wife and I were backed in to a closed storefront in
Chicago on a business trip….really pisses Ya' off!
We were all lucky.
I blame the liberal courts as well as the freeken' lawyers, don't get me wrong
here I don't want to overgeneralize but these "Social Workers" just gotta
realize that there really is such a thing as a "BAD PERSON".
I don't wanna Understand him….Jest get him or her out of my face and out of
my wallet!
Send em' to the "Dead Zone".<g>
"Watch for the Animation!!!" "Comeing Soon!"
Maybe an Island….Uh….Saaaayy…Wasn't Australia…..Jes' Kidden'<g>
Later Martin.
James M. Murphy
Hey, if everyone who doesn't like guns moves out of the U.S., that
leaves us with all the guns, and all of you without any. Where does
that put the world?
(Actually, I can't include myself in the "us" up there, since I don't
do guns myself. Just tried some clay sport shooting a couple of weeks
ago — my first experience with a shotgun — and I'm still waiting
for the bruise to fade on my shoulder. I think clay is about as close
to a living thing as anything I'd want to hunt.)
>> Hey, if everyone who doesn't like guns moves out of the U.S., that
leaves us with all the guns, and all of you without any. Where does
that put the world? >>
I've always trusted in the armed forces for national defense, myself,
and don't think civilians need to be armed to the teeth. I've no
objection to single-action rifles and shotguns being sold to private
persons for sporting use after they pass a stringent background check
and a lengthy class. It's handguns that cause most of the problems,
since they are easily concealed and misused.
Guess I should have added a <g> after my last comment.
I don't think a catastrphe other than the complete elimination for the
need of personal property and money and power would do away with the
gun problem in the States. The bottom line here is money, with no
regard for life, or what's right and wrong. I will admit, however,
that I keep a target pistol for shooting holes in paper, so I'm as
guilty as the next guy of supporting Ruger Arms manufacturing. I
know people in Europe with target pistols, too, though. And
Australia is FULL of rednecks with rifles, so that's probably not
going to be a shell free utopia, either. My rancher uncle in
Australia still shoots his own dinner a couple of times a week.
What a ironic statement from an Englishment about Americans and their
guns. Seeing how it was the English aristocracy that caused the
American peasants to take up arms and show the English the way home.
You do remember the revolution? The Boston tea party? Paul Revere?
and all that nasty independence stuff.
I know it's a 200 year old phobia, but we just can't let go of the
fear of not being able to defend ourselfs.
Don't get me wrong, I don't believe it's necessary to own a gun, I
don't even believe in hunting of anykind, but the American "gun
mania" was first created by the so called "civilized europeans".
My $0.02 worth.
Martin! You're leaving?!?!! |:(
I'm bummin', Dude……..
don't worry. Even if and when I do go "down under", I'll still be
active on Compuserve.
Martin
<<I'll still be active on Compuserve>>
You had better, one can't help but notice that your name appears an
awful lot on this forum helping people who are having problems with AniPro and
3DS.
P.S. BTW, my apologies, I think Murph and I were as much to blame for starting
the ill advised "G" debate on this forum as anyone else. Murph, if you don't
agree, my apologies to you as well<g>
Nick
I appreciate the encouragement. This place (Asoft) is like my village
pub (don't have a real one in Laguna Hills, CA) that's why I tend to
digress and get passionate about totally none-Autodesk issues. This
_is_ my social life and I love debating <g>. I still think it would
have been OK to do the debate in the Take 5/General section.
Nik-At-Night,
>>> P.S. BTW, my apologies, I think Murph and I were as much to blame for
starting the ill advised "G" debate on this forum as anyone else. Murph, if you
don't agree, my apologies to you as well<g><<<
Kill em' All….Let God Sort em' out. <GD&R>
Murph'
<<GD&R>>
That's okay Murph I can hit a moving target… that is of
course if you were close enough and I could reach you with an iron
poker! Oh no the dreaded iron poker debate!<G>
Nick
PMJI, and I may have missed something, but if you're talking about
trying to pass off an object from one hierarchy to another, with r3's
Keyframer Snapshot and Hide-Key abilities, that bit's a snap. Gary
was demonstrating it at SIGGRAPH (it's one of the tutorials, I
believe). Regardless of whether the cup is linked to a dummy or to
the man, you could (using the r3 paradigm) just have two cups, one
for each man, and hide-key switch the two at pass-off time. That, at
least might make keying easier. (Natch, you'll have to wait a couple
weeks for r3….)
Or maybe I just don't know what I'm talking about!<g>
Dave
David
Apparently, according to Jack's message, you know exactly what
you are talking about. R3 looks to have solved the problem. I'm the
one who doesn't know what he's doing, imagine mentioning a gun on
this forum and expecting people to concentrate on the problem at
hand. Next time my subject is going to be wielding a pussy cat or
pillow or Martin's cup of tea. Although the ASPCA will probably have
a problem with the cat<g>.
Nick,
It's true, we cat-lovers rarely think "wielding" is proper use of
felines (although it's kinda fun to spin them on smooth floors).
Kevin Krell – Computer Support Associates
Kevin,
>> It's true, we cat-lovers rarely think "wielding" is proper use of felines
(although it's kinda fun to spin them on smooth floors).<<
Obviously you've never attended Green Bay's Sail-CAT convention.<g>
James M. Murphy
>>…be wielding a pussy cat or pillow or Martin's cup of tea. Although the
>>ASPCA will probably have a problem with the cat<g>.
Ah, the days of Political Correctness! Don't foget the Coffee-bean
Growers of the Americas (CBGA) ("Hey, why ain't you usin' a
cup'o'coffee?) and the Society for the Presevation and Protection of
Geese and Their Feathers (SPPGTF) ("Honk honk!").
Now this is getting entirely too silly! Stop it right now.
Personally, I like a twist of lemming in my tea, followed by some
albatross ice-cream <g>. Brigadier General Frank Smoketoomuch (Mrs).
Do you have anything that a little more "ducky"?
-/Mr. Alan Stools
Kendal, Westmorland
(Half an inch long)
Bravo Robert, uh I mean, Alan <g>
Nik at night!
>> The problem with that solution is that it has young boys shooting their
siblings/friends with dad's "unloaded gun" <<
Gimme a Break! I suppose you want the Government to take care of you too!
Murph.
Are you kidding! My point was that many times the weapons are
used not to defend the innocent from the drug maggots of this world
but are used accidently on friends. Rarely are they used in
protecting or "taking care of" one's family. In fact, in reading the
Newark (N.J.) Star Ledger newspaper for over thirty years, I started
reading at a very young age<g>, I can never remember any news report
of anyone actually defending themselves successfully from the maggots
with a gun they owned. <<Nik at Night>> I like that. Oh yes, I can't
wait for R3 to arrive.
Nik-at-Night,<BG> Actually the NRA …if your in to them…publishes
monthly reports about people defending their homes etc.
Don't take my word for it…Happen to remember the film clips of the
Korean Merchants defending their stores from the rioters in LA. What
do you supposed they would have had to come back to if they hadn't
defended themselves. Frankly Nik I think you got tunnel vision cause
I'm not even looking for examples nor do I get any NRA related
Publications…"AnyMore"…and I see items in the press locally and
nationally that prove you wrong….sorry bud. It's the truth.
In fact I had a personel experience that I would rather not go in to
in too much detail but suffice to say had I not been armed I truely
beleive the freindly looking gentlemen who kicked down my front door
would have done my family some serious harm.
Can you Say Freaked out on PCP and not wonder how you would stop em?
Fortunatly I didn't have to hurt anyone…
Also fortunatly neither did they.
Don't try to tell someone how to get to someplace unless you've been there
yourself.
Just an observation.<g>
James M. Murphy
Like I said before there are probably a thousand times more
incidents of young kids shooting their siblings, friends, neighbors
parents, etc, you get the idea, with Dad's unloaded gun then there
are incidents with someone, anyone, Korean merchants included,
successfully defending themself with their own gun. Even those
incidents are usually defending property not lives. I had to defend
myself once in what could have been a life threatening situation, I
used an iron poker from the fireplace and some training in martial
arts. It was a very effective deterrent. My problem with guns is that
they are very fatal, as in death instead of injury. No one seems to
fire warning shots anyone, it's shoot to kill.
Murph, you and I have much more important things to do than
argue the pros and cons of private gun ownership. R3 is coming
remember, and you have classes to teach and I have lawyers to meet
with. Let's argue instead on the pros and cons of the Soviet Union
going back to Communism. Just kidding!<g>
Just had to jump in on this: >> No one seems to fire warning shots
anyone, it's shoot to kill.>>
I'm sure glad you don't own a gun. You appear, in your ignorance of
firearms, to be one of those that would irresponsibly have them lying
around for kids to access. Proper fire arm training dictates that
there is only one type of warning shot acceptable: If you have to
draw your gun in any deadly force encounter then the warning shots
are 2 to the center of the chest followed by 2 to the center of the
head. This is what is being taught in the handgun safety / concealed
weapons permit course sanctioned by the Florida Highway Patrol and
taught by it's officers. I recently took the course to update my
understanding of the law. Again, warning shots other than mentioned
above are taught as very dangerous and irresponsible not to mention
being illegal in this community.
Re: Your warning shot to the chest (oxymoron) training, does this
apply to private citizens, too? I'm imagining a scenerio in my head
here:
One evening a dark shadowy figure runs up to Floridian's front door.
He opens the door and with his home-protection Smith & Wesson .45
opens fire. Blam! Blam! (2 to the chest), "Stop or I'll shoot!".
Aggressor stumbles but no reply. Blam! Blam! (2 to the head). "I
mean it you punk!". Aggressor collapses on door-step gasping, "Here's
your pizza, sir <gasp>. Terribly sorry about the mess on your
doorsteee…eeee….p <croak>."
Obituary reads:
Pizza delivery driver, Joe Bloggs, a recent immigrant from England
made a fatal error in judgement recently. Unaware of the recent
"warning shot policy" given to Florida law-enforcement and citizenry,
he ran to the door of a law-abiding Florida homeowner in a
threatening manner. The homeowner had no choice but to issue the
suggested 2 warning shots to the chest, followed by the 2 warning
shots to the head. A law enforcement spokesperson stated "this is a
very unfortunate, but immigrants must be aware of all current laws,
mandates, and policies". The would-be victim, Florida homeowner,
Dwayne Pistolpacker, commented: "my wife had ordered pizza, but
hadn't told me. It's a shame I had to smoke the kid, but he oughtn't
come running at a fella like that. I feel I did the only thing I
could under the circumstances."
Listen you guys,
I also have strong views about all sorts of political, social, and
philosophical issues. But I refrain from bringing them up on this
ASOFT forum because I have plenty of other places and forums where I
can more appropriately do so.
I enjoy this forum for information on 3DS and all the related hardware
stuff and I also enjoy the occasional interesting digressions. I
often like to engage in debate on various issues but I try not to
dump my opinions on other people unless they have expressed an
interest in debating (or just plain arguing.) I've also learned that
it often times better not to know too much about the people you work
with; you may like and respect them until the day you have that
"deep" discussion and learn to your horror and disgust that the
bastard is actually a Democrat! (Okay, or a Republican.) Or anti-this
or pro-that. And all this time you thought he/she was an OK guy/gal.
I don't think it is either fair or proper to bring up emotionally
charged issues like gun control on the ASOFT forum — not just
because its not a 3DS related topic but because I now find myself
continually having to restrain myself from responding to some
particularly ignorant comments on issues which I happen to know a lot
about.
Martin, you started this gun control stuff and you have — in the past
— repeatedly made your feelings about guns well known. If you want
to debate this issue (or abortion, drugs, religion, etc) there are
several other forums here on CIS where you can complain freely about
whatever bothers you. But you really shouldn't do it here, in my
opinion.
>> I often like to engage in debate on various issues but I try not to
dump my opinions on other people unless they have expressed an
interest in debating (or just plain arguing.) I've also learned that
it often times better not to know too much about the people you work
with; >>
I understand your point and feel that this discussion would have been
to take place in the "Take 5/General" area of Asoft – if all we could
discuss on Asoft was Autodesk software, I think it would be
incredibly dull. I think this discussion would be considered OK in
that section. I do think it was a debate, rather than an opinion
dumping and if nobody was interested in debating then it would have
died right away. Anyway, it'll probably die now, since we just needed
somebody to say "enough is enough" and I think you did it, quite
poignantly.
Finally, I think it's quite possibly to like and respect somebody even
though their opinions and political beliefs are polar opposites to
your own – this is the case of many of the forum members. It'd be
just too easy to talk to people who agree with you all the time.
If this discussion isn't ready to die yet, perhaps a sysop could move
it to the "Take 5/General" section, which is more of a "anything
goes" section, I think. Then people looking for pure 3ds discussions
could avoid it.
PS: I'm not a Democrat or Republican since I can't vote in America –
I'm actually an English Tory (least I was last time I voted).
That's just the point, if they are locked up safe from having
the kids get a hold of them then they are not doing you much good
when the maggot kicks in your front door. Unless of course you happen
to be cleaning the firearm on your kitchen table at the time.
Interesting hypothetical case Martin brings up very similar to
real life story in N.J community last year. Oriental arrives at front
door of wrong house two days early for Halloween party, poor slob
doesn't know much English, wife doesn't understand what he wants or
why he is dressed strangely, calls husband, get the gun, husband in
this case having plenty of time gets gun from locked case and shoots
the poor soul twice in the chest, I guess those were the two warning
shots you mentioned. Everyone agrees, terrible mistake. And the beat
goes on…
Thank you Don, I'm glad I'm not the only one who's father taught him
"responsibility" as well as fire arms saftey. James M. Murphy
Yes. Dad taught me with a 12 ga. shotgun at age 10. Said his father
taught him at age 10. We went pheasant hunting in Pennsylvania where
we were living at the time. Thanks for the fond memory. Sore
shoulder<g>
Don,
re: Saudi Arabia
my brother-in-law, who's also been a friend fo 15 years, worked in Saudi for
years as a geologist checking rocks for an American oil company. He said it's
no fun at all, except the money. Porn and beer are completely outlawed, so all
the workers went to Bangkok for their paid leaves. I was looking for a Utopian
society, not a totalitarian society, you know. Thanks for the kind thought,
though <g>.
Don,
>>> Yes. Dad taught me with a 12 ga. shotgun at age 10. Said his father
taught him at age 10. We went pheasant hunting in Pennsylvania where we were
living at the time. Thanks for the fond memory. Sore shoulder<g> <<<
This brings back wonderful memories for me…..we used to go to Turkey Shoots
Etc. Age 10 Yup…. Very similiar experiences.
James M. Murphy
I feel kinda bad talking guns in here. Maybe we'll be stopped. But
until then… It seems to me that one reason people don't fire
warning shots is that they believe that unless they kill the person,
they will find themselves in court and paying the assailant for the
rest of their lives for having caused trauma and permanent disabling
injury. That is … If they dead, they ain't sueing.
I don't know how true it is, but this seems to be the perception. And
people act on perception more than truth.
Nick,
I aggree.
Murph'