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Thom Hartmann <HiResOp>
Desktop Publishing Forum
· Printing & Prepress
January 28, 1990 6:42 PM
It also causes the paper to stick to the blanket, as the old ink is "sticky" and when you try to lay new ink on top of it, they'll stick to each other…causing the press to "inhale" paper and get all choked up. –Thom
Don, Amen! –Thom
Then, if nothing else, Metamorphosis will provide a lot of frustrated font designers the opportunity to take any particular "starting point" font and create whole new delights for us to check out! (Which, I understand, is essentially what Image Club did, using old LetraSet Press Apply faces and other sources,…
You mean the font salespeople are bragging that their fonts are more accurately stolen than other company's fonts? What a bizarre industry! –Thom
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Thom Hartmann <HiResOp>
Desktop Publishing Forum
· Other DTP Systems
January 28, 1990 12:46 AM
Mike, I just got one of those "forehead slaps" as Lamar refers to them… Do you think it's possible that even a small part of the MS/Apple Royal collaboration was an effort to head off NeXT (which is PostScript-based)? –Thom
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Thom Hartmann <HiResOp>
Desktop Publishing Forum
· Type & Typography
January 28, 1990 12:39 AM
That's interesting, BTW, and news to me. (I remember talking with a Bitstream dealer some months ago, who was pushing the fonts as "identical," and also heard the same song from our local Quark rep when their on-screen rendering first came out, with the Bitstream fonts. But it makes sense…
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Thom Hartmann <HiResOp>
Desktop Publishing Forum
· Type & Typography
January 28, 1990 12:35 AM
Do the slight changes, then, mean that "somebody else's work" has _not_ been "stolen?" –Thom
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Thom Hartmann <HiResOp>
Desktop Publishing Forum
· Type & Typography
January 28, 1990 12:33 AM
I agree totally with your last point about payment for shareware. We've actually sent in cash for Add/Strip and other programs, but I know we're in a very, very small minority. I'm also amazed that there hasn't been more discussion about all the ripped-off photos, scans and artwork that's littered…
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Thom Hartmann <HiResOp>
Desktop Publishing Forum
· Type & Typography
January 27, 1990 10:54 PM
Amen! (And, believe me, they are *abundant* elsewhere…)
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Thom Hartmann <HiResOp>
Desktop Publishing Forum
· Type & Typography
January 27, 1990 10:51 PM
What would be really nice is if you could condense or expand a font with XPress, send a bit of it to the printer, and then suck it back with Metamorphosis, creating a new "Times 21% condensed" face for yourself. (Is this possible, Earl?) I believe you're right about the…
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Thom Hartmann <HiResOp>
Desktop Publishing Forum
· Type & Typography
January 27, 1990 10:46 PM
If that's the case, Tripp, then why aren't they knocking on Bitstream or Image Studio or any of the other company's doors? In the days of phototypesetters, there were any number of disks from various suppliers for the same faces, and now it's happening with digital fonts. I believe that…
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Thom Hartmann <HiResOp>
Desktop Publishing Forum
· Hi-Res & Srvc Bur's
January 27, 1990 10:40 PM
John, We, too, have an L100 (w/RIP 2) and a CG 9400, and I absolutely echo everything you said! –Thom (The Newsletter Factory)
Miles, Don't use the DA to scan with! Scan out of Digital Darkroom, using the Microtek "Pouch" to drive it. Then adjust your brightness and contrast right on the screen and "flash" the picture by modifying the graymap to drop off the top and bottom 10% of the map. Remap…
R O F L!!!!!! –Thom
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Thom Hartmann <HiResOp>
Desktop Publishing Forum
· Type & Typography
January 27, 1990 12:24 PM
Tripp, 'scuse my calling you Tom. Sorry…
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Thom Hartmann <HiResOp>
Desktop Publishing Forum
· Type & Typography
January 27, 1990 12:22 PM
Thanks, Tom. I was tempted to leave a question in the Adobe Forum, asking if anybody knew how many Adobe and Bitstream (or other) fonts were original to the company, were licensed by the company, or were "copied" from other company's font libraries and re-named. I didn't leave the question,…
Christina, If you're interested in finding political newsletters, you might want to pick up a copy of Howard Penn Hudson's "Hudson's Newsletter Directory." It lists over 24,000 newsletters published in the USA, and is cross-referenced, as I recall. It's available from: Howard Penn Hudson The Newsletter Clearinghouse 44 W. Market…
#"Type Align" SW
Message #6406
Brad, When I was last in New York, you were talking about acquiring Type Align from Emerald City Software. Did you get it? What do you think of it? Is it really a good/valuable tool, and can the output drive cleanly to a lino? –Thom
Earl, Just looking back over some of my earlier replies to you, it struck me that they may have sounded pretty grouchy and I wanted to apologize. It's so easy to just sit here and type away, running off a thought or opinion without carefully considering how the "presentation" may…
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Thom Hartmann <HiResOp>
Desktop Publishing Forum
· The Learning Curve
January 26, 1990 7:55 PM
David, Promotional Perspectives produces a seminar on Newsletter Design that competes with one my company produces. I've attended that seminar, and it was reasonable. But I'm unfamiliar with their "Designing for DTP" seminar…and have never heard of Jim & Bob's seminar. If you attend either of them, would you please…
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Thom Hartmann <HiResOp>
Desktop Publishing Forum
· Type & Typography
January 25, 1990 11:02 PM
Don, Also, it's important to notice that (unlike some other forums) I don't run the DTP Forum as some sort of "king." Several of our sysops feel strongly that we should not post knocked-off fonts, and I'm inclined in that direction myself…and will go along with whatever Brad, Dan, Kathleen,…
Don, Overall I agree with you on the ethics of "stealing" typefaces, although I think the distinction between art and commercial, marketable "ideas" is one that is often overlooked, particularly when the "idea" or "product" is one that some people would consider art. As a writer, I'm sensitive to people…
[Continued from previous message] "Ok, Pilgrim. Spill it. What did you steal?" He glared at me with bloodshot eyes; an avenging angel, king of a sooted alley. "Hel…" "Help you want?" he laughed, backhanding me across the face. "Hel…" "You're bound for hell for what you've done?" He laughed again,…
The man from the motorcycle reached down and grabbed my shirtfront, his fist like a ham hock, his face an angry mass of shifting emotion. As he lifted me up, the pint flask of Jamerson's slid from my torn jacket pocket and shattered on the wet, black pavement; the pathetic…
Earl, An excellent, point!
Pete, Does Metamorphosis also carry into the "new" font the kerning tables from the old font? –Thom
Dan, I agree totally. Shall we boycott Bitstream? –Thom
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Thom Hartmann <HiResOp>
Desktop Publishing Forum
· Making Money w/DTP
January 25, 1990 4:48 PM
Sorry, Brad – $25 – $35 K per year. Things are soft here in Atlanta.
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Thom Hartmann <HiResOp>
Desktop Publishing Forum
· Using Macs for DTP
January 25, 1990 3:00 PM
John, You're exactly right – the DTP program (or graphics program) creates the halftone when you're driving the image to the Lino or printer, and you can usually, at that time, choose the screen frequency (100 line, 120 line, etc.), angle (45 degree, 90 degree, etc.), and type (dot, line,…
Ron, A flyer's in the mail to you today! –Thom
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Thom Hartmann <HiResOp>
Desktop Publishing Forum
· Making Money w/DTP
January 25, 1990 8:15 AM
Bill, A _good_ designer, with solid credentials in _design_, who also knows how to use Quark, PM, or other DTP programs, can usually pull between $25 and $35 here in Atlanta, depending on his/her speed, experience, etc. –Thom
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Thom Hartmann <HiResOp>
Desktop Publishing Forum
· Printing & Prepress
January 25, 1990 8:15 AM
Mike, There _is_ a "classified ad" section here in the forum… –Thom
Take a look at the "power upgrade" and describe it, please. Is it a new LI5 card? Or a modification for the power supply? Or a mechanical fix that may subtly adjust paper flow or mirror motion? If they were upgrading your RIP, I might guess that you've been overcharged…
Actually, David (at the risk of sounding like a curmudgeon), your comment about "copyrighting the words but not the novel" is right on the money with regard to the copyright law, which states that the *expression* of an idea (the words, in the case of the novel) is covered, but…
Earl, I agree absolutely that just because something's legally justifiable that's not justification for doing it. But the notion of "honor" or a "higher mission/calling" can be a bit dangerous. I lived for a year in a small town in Germany, and one of our neighbors was a 73-year-old Nazi…
It's an interesting exercise in ethics, but I don't think it's so practical a discussion. Remember the essay that Mark Twain wrote about the typewriter? He was the first writer in history to submit a mss for publication that was "typed" and many of the writers of the day were…
Jon: The free market triumphs over the Gulag? –Thom
Actually, Tripp, I believe that a number of companies *have* simply knocked off others fonts and brought them to market. The problem they've had is one of distribution and credibility – would you buy Times from somebody else if it was called "Acme Clockwork" and you knew nothing about the…
Bill, We have this same problem with a local hospital. They spent $15,000 on an in-house Ventura DTP system, and now have to get their "money's worth" out of it. That means that they do the entire job in VP, and then sent it to us as laserwriter pages, which…
Bob, I mailed it out this morning! –Thom
Oh. (oops…) Well, thanks!!!
Right now, that's the plan. We have the active part of the thread on Hold so it won't scroll off the board, and will be capturing and uploading it when it seems long enough or when it appears it's run its course. It's great fun, isn't it?! 🙂
Earl, If it is legal, then what makes it immoral? And would our copying those fonts and posting them here be any less moral than your producing and selling (for profit) a program which makes possible (and therefore, implicity, encourages) the copying of those fonts? I don't want to get…
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Thom Hartmann <HiResOp>
Desktop Publishing Forum
· Hi-Res & Srvc Bur's
January 23, 1990 8:10 AM
Don't forget TypeWorld, Jonathan. If nothing else, the editorials are worth the price of the subscription – in the fine tradition of Bill Loeb, Frank Romano is truly a New Hampshire classic! (Speaking as a former resident of the "Live Free Or Die" state ) –Thom
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Thom Hartmann <HiResOp>
Desktop Publishing Forum
· Using Macs for DTP
January 23, 1990 8:10 AM
John, We haven't experienced any problem scanning 1-bit stuff with Microtek's DA (or with VersaScan, their dedicated program that we've used for years previous to the new DA) at all. It's _very_important_ to keep the glass on your scanner clean, and dirty glass is about the only problem we've ever…
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Thom Hartmann <HiResOp>
Desktop Publishing Forum
· VOTM Corel Systems
January 22, 1990 3:23 PM
Shawn & Andrew, To send a message to "all," simply type All in the To: field!
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Thom Hartmann <HiResOp>
Desktop Publishing Forum
· Hi-Res & Srvc Bur's
January 21, 1990 10:31 PM
Thanks for the info, Miles. By Laser Diode, I assume you mean InfraRed Diode?
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Thom Hartmann <HiResOp>
Desktop Publishing Forum
· Making Money w/DTP
January 21, 1990 9:38 PM
Doug, When you reply to someone's message, choose the REPly option, rather than COMposing a whole new message. That way your reply will be "attached" to the previous message, and people can read them as a continuous thread. Otherwise, it gets rather disorienting to anybody trying to keep track of…
Yeah, but _creating_ fonts can be a huge job! I'd rather just "clone" them. My understanding (from Earl) of the new/old copyright law and the courts' interpretation of it is that you _cannot_ copyright a font – only the name of it, and the code used to describe it. Which…
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